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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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BigHorns
FAU has three things we don't, location, location, location. I do 100% agree on one thing, I would much rather us spend some serious cash to fund the basketball program at a mid major level over spending a dime on facilities. Finding the cash for a coach and NIL payments would do more for Bison basketball and our future FBS prospects than anything else. I just don't see that happening right now though. Money is tight and we seem pretty content with making the Summit league finals.
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tjamz
The fact that you (and I) have to ask this tells me all I need to know about CUSA. They're only slightly more relevant than MVFC. I mean, maybe they are a short term landing spot, but I'm not sure there's a conference that would pick us up in the future that isn't interested in picking us up now. I think it's far more likely that the FBS P5 consolidates into 4 super conferences with 20 teams each (and only play each other) and then the G5 starts looking at upper tier FCS schools in an attempt to remain somewhat relevant. Especially in the era of NIL and Transfer Portal.
The best bet is probably to embrace the idea that we will likely be a development program for P5 schools, giving fringe P5 athletes a chance to shine early on rather than ride the bench or be perpetually buried in a depth chart. The theory would be that by openly embracing that you would attract a higher level athlete to your program for 1 to 3 years which would theoretically result in a dominant performance year in and year out. Perhaps by showing we can and do produce top tier athletes that can lead to a potential invite as conferences and the league evolve. It' not what I *want* for NDSU or college sports, but what I want (MWC invite or my hypothetical PAC rebuild invite) has very little to do with the current reality.
Well, I think it was you in another thread that said you've never been less excited about a fb season. That's pretty much where I'm at and until the landscape changes significantly, I think my interest will continue to wane.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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daddy daycare
Not as much spreading out for G5 conferences.
I would disagree. The AAC stretches from San Antonio to Temple. From Tulsa to Miami.
The Sun Belt stretches from San Marcos Tx to Virginia.
The MW goes from Honolulu to Laramie Wyoming.
Distance wise you would have long trips to all 3. However, evidence shows some G5 conferences are willing to really spread out to get who they want.
Your location is not travel concern as much as the school is located in a smallish city. You can't help that but it is something conferences will consider because TV providers play a huge role in all of this.
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MWC
I would disagree. The AAC stretches from San Antonio to Temple. From Tulsa to Miami.
The Sun Belt stretches from San Marcos Tx to Virginia.
The MW goes from Honolulu to Laramie Wyoming.
Distance wise you would have long trips to all 3. However, evidence shows some G5 conferences are willing to really spread out to get who they want.
Your location is not travel concern as much as the school is located in a smallish city. You can't help that but it is something conferences will consider because TV providers play a huge role in all of this.
^^^ This, except that broader FM ain't that small and is growing at quite a clip
But ... if/when NDSU moves up, it will be because ESPN/FOX wants them too. I still like our odds, but we'll see ...
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MWC
I would disagree. The AAC stretches from San Antonio to Temple. From Tulsa to Miami.
The Sun Belt stretches from San Marcos Tx to Virginia.
The MW goes from Honolulu to Laramie Wyoming.
Distance wise you would have long trips to all 3. However, evidence shows some G5 conferences are willing to really spread out to get who they want.
Your location is not travel concern as much as the school is located in a smallish city. You can't help that but it is something conferences will consider because TV providers play a huge role in all of this.
Hawaii is an outlier we all know that.
"Not as much spreading out for G5 conferences" is what I stated. Look at the P5 and B1G. California to New York? G5 conferences aren't pulling that off. There's a cute little "spread" on schools but for the most part the G5s aren't going to be branching out like that.
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I do think you will move up before long. Realignment is still afoot and shows no sign of slowing down. And you are correct that tv providers will be the deciding factor. Your location won't matter to anybody if a conference can get a better tv deal by adding you.
To this point, the MW's providers, CBS/Fox have not agreed to bump up the deal for any expansion candidates who wished to join the conference. UTSA, UNT and Rice wanted to move to the MW but the providers didn't want to play ball. Those schools are in large markets but they share the fans among the 212 Texas universities.
I am not certain, that CBS/Fox would give the MW a raise for OSU/Wazzu even though they are the only game in town for Corvalis and Pullman. Two small towns though both schools have large enrollment numbers.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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daddy daycare
Hawaii is an outlier we all know that.
"Not as much spreading out for G5 conferences" is what I stated. Look at the P5 and B1G. California to New York? G5 conferences aren't pulling that off. There's a cute little "spread" on schools but for the most part the G5s aren't going to be branching out like that.
They absolutely will if they can get a better tv deal by doing so. The AAC is not an outlier with their spread. Their commissioner is trying to get OSU/Wazzu as we speak. If he succeeds, we are talking Corvalis Oregon to Miami. That is as large a spread as you can get unless they add Hawaii.
This spreading is in your favor if you wish to move up. If a conference wants you they won't care where you are. The tv people only look at potential viewers instead of map coordinates.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
daddy daycare
Hawaii is an outlier we all know that.
"Not as much spreading out for G5 conferences" is what I stated. Look at the P5 and B1G. California to New York? G5 conferences aren't pulling that off. There's a cute little "spread" on schools but for the most part the G5s aren't going to be branching out like that.
You can do a four time zone conference with B1G media money.
But will it work with just 1/10th of that money ... if that.
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The_Sicatoka
You can do a four time zone conference with B1G media money.
But will it work with just 1/10th of that money ... if that.
It is already happening..Even at the G5 level..
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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MWC
It is already happening..Even at the G5 level..
But is it sustainable on G5 budgets.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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MWC
I would disagree. The AAC stretches from San Antonio to Temple. From Tulsa to Miami.
The Sun Belt stretches from San Marcos Tx to Virginia.
The MW goes from Honolulu to Laramie Wyoming.
Distance wise you would have long trips to all 3. However, evidence shows some G5 conferences are willing to really spread out to get who they want.
Your location is not travel concern as much as the school is located in a smallish city. You can't help that but it is something conferences will consider because TV providers play a huge role in all of this.
All those G5 locations, with the exception of Hawaii, have a "bridge" conference member within a few hundred miles. NDSU is 800+ miles from the nearest MWC school and 1000+ from the nearest CUSA or Sun Belt school. Even the closest MAC school (aka the closest G5 school) is 600+ miles away.
Having a dearth of G5 schools in this area of the country has been a boon in NDSU's rise to prominence in the FCS but will be a hindrance in their journey to FBS.
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The_Sicatoka
You can do a four time zone conference with B1G media money.
But will it work with just 1/10th of that money ... if that.
I think we all know the answer to that one. And it would be shocking if Washington State and Oregon State don't end up in the MWC.
Besides...when clicking stories and reading comments (twitter, where have you)...how often to you see other fan bases bringing up NDSU? Pretty rare.
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daddy daycare
I think we all know the answer to that one. And it would be shocking if Washington State and Oregon State don't end up in the MWC.
Besides...when clicking stories and reading comments (twitter, where have you)...how often to you see other fan bases bringing up NDSU? Pretty rare.
If you are football only you have 4 conference games away from Fargo and ,only 4 MW or AAC schools would have to make the journey up to the frozen tundra.. That is not difficult travel at all.
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MWC
If you are football only you have 4 conference games away from Fargo and ,only 4 MW or AAC schools would have to make the journey up to the frozen tundra.. That is not difficult travel at all.
Were not even frozen in November
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HerdBot
Were not even frozen in November
And you have an indoor football facility. I am not sure how you could wing it in an all sports situation but football only could work.
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MWC
And you have an indoor football facility. I am not sure how you could wing it in an all sports situation but football only could work.
I agree, that's the best hope. But I'm losing (or is it loosing) hope.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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HerdBot
Were not even frozen in November
Why did they cancel Homecoming in Oct?????
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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56BISON73
Why did they cancel Homecoming in Oct?????
Move the homecoming parade inside! It snowed once!!!
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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NDSU92
Move the homecoming parade inside! It snowed once!!!
It was more than just a little snow. And it stayed around for the rest of the year.
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Judging by the line for free signs at Scheels, there is no Bison fatigue.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
ACC adding SMU, Stanford, and Cal, bringing the ACC to 18 teams. 30% media shares for Stanford and Cal while SMU will forgo media shares for 7 years.
Seems like a great deal and move for the existing ACC teams and the conference. Helps close the revenue gap between the top ACC schools and the power 2, while providing more stability for the conference, and adding some really good schools.
AAC potentially with an opening.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...anford-cal-smu
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If NDSU could somehow snag SMU's spot in the AAC, that'd be great.
Not having a travel partner for non-revenue sports probably hurts, but this seems like the last real opportunity for NDSU in this realignment window.
Hopefully there is an active and aggressive push from one or both of NDSU admin or the AAC to make that happen.
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AAC will go after Sun Belt teams before FCS NDSU.
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ndsubison1
AAC will go after Sun Belt teams before FCS NDSU.
For this reason I have no idea why people think the AAC would even acknowledge our existence.
Only hope was a desperate Mountain West. We almost got it
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NDSU92
For this reason I have no idea why people think the AAC would even acknowledge our existence.
Only hope was a desperate Mountain West. We almost got it
Hell theyd maybe be smart to try and snag Oregon State-Wash State. Maybe even add in a few others out west. That scenario would maybe open something up for us in MWC.
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ndsubison1
Hell theyd maybe be smart to try and snag Oregon State-Wash State. Maybe even add in a few others out west. That scenario would maybe open something up for us in MWC.
It’s over. The dream is dead.
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NDSU92
It’s over. The dream is dead.
https://americaexplained.files.wordp...fork-small.jpg
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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ndsubison1
AAC will go after Sun Belt teams before FCS NDSU.
Agree. They'll likely stay in footprint (costs) and try to stay in Texas after losing SMU (DFW market).
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ndsubison1
AAC will go after Sun Belt teams before FCS NDSU.
Aresco has said the AAC already has their contingency plans, and would be fine at 13.
They will most likely invite someone like Texas St, Georgia St, WKU, MTSU, or stand pat. They had 11 teams previously.
We need to hope something causes a cascade in MWC still, or maybe look at MAC.
WSU/OSU joining either AAC or MWC probably wouldn't help.
Ideally those two still make a run at rebuilding PAC somehow.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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BigHorns
Aresco has said the AAC already has their contingency plans, and would be fine at 13.
They will most likely invite someone like Texas St, Georgia St, or stand pat. They had 11 teams previously.
We need to hope something causes a cascade in MWC still, or maybe look at MAC.
I can't imagine the MAC has any desire to add a team outside of their little footprint. They also seem very happy with their lot in life, a middling G5 conference that reminds me of the MIAC or Northern Sun Conference. Tight knit and happy to simply exist.
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Never thought I'd see a P5 conference just wither and die - always thought they'd be able to salvage themselves (like the Big 12 did twice) because the remaining P5 teams would have enough draw to raid from the G5 and it would be a G5 conference that would wither and die if anything.
The PAC dissolving is about the worst-case scenario for NDSU in this western realignment mess. I'm not sure PAC commissioner George Kliavkoff is even deserving of managing a Burger King after this debacle he just presided over.
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BigHorns
Ideally those two still make a run at rebuilding PAC somehow.
With Cal and Stanford it was doable - I don't think they've got any chance of salvaging it now with just OrSU and Wazzu.
I'm just spit balling but I wonder if the MWC could absorb those two and take on the PAC label and get access to all their NCAA tournament shares and the intangible prestige? If so, would that leave the MWC label as a loophole to essentially create a brand new western FBS conference since the NCAA doesn't allow that?
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BigHorns
Ideally those two still make a run at rebuilding PAC somehow.
AAC ($18M) and MWC ($17-34M) exit fees make a 2PAC rebuild untenable.
Any media deal would not exceed the present MWC deal. But costs would be up.
And if it did happen, the resulting group will not keep Autonomy status because of the PAC name. They'll be G6 to the new P4 (or is it P2/M2).
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Professor Chaos
Never thought I'd see a P5 conference just wither and die - ...
Like I said before, 2PAC got taken out by Notorious B1G.
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TAILG8R
I can't imagine the MAC has any desire to add a team outside of their little footprint.
#BusLeague
Miami(OH) doesn't like NCHC travel.
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The_Sicatoka
AAC ($18M) and MWC ($17-34M) exit fees make a 2PAC rebuild untenable.
Any media deal would not exceed the present MWC deal. But costs would be up.
And if it did happen, the resulting group will not keep Autonomy status because of the PAC name. They'll be G6 to the new P4 (or is it P2/M2).
I was hoping that the leftover NCAA credits would’ve been enough to snag a handful of MW teams. It should’ve been.
That’s if, you know, WSU/OSU had any leadership at their disposal.
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NDSU92
That’s if, you know, WSU/OSU had any leadership at their disposal.
George Kliavkoff on line one for you ... oh, wait, never mind, the line just went dead.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Professor Chaos
The PAC dissolving is about the worst-case scenario for NDSU in this western realignment mess. I'm not sure PAC commissioner George Kliavkoff is even deserving of managing a Burger King after this debacle he just presided over.
Agree! GK is a bozo that came from MGM. He's out no matter what.
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Professor Chaos
I'm just spit balling but I wonder if the MWC could absorb those two and take on the PAC label and get access to all their NCAA tournament shares and the intangible prestige? If so, would that leave the MWC label as a loophole to essentially create a brand new western FBS conference since the NCAA doesn't allow that?
Unfortunately don't think this is possible, unless some MWC schools are left behind. The most likely path this will take is dissolving the MWC if they reverse merge with PAC. One conference will die, unless it is split in two. You must have existing FBS members.
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Professorbum
No longer an option. Guys... its. over.
Called it.
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Why would the 2 remaining PAC schools need to do a reverse merge with the MWC?
How many votes are needed to vote to eliminate exit fees for the MWC? That's really the only number that the remaining 2 PAC schools need to take. The remaining MWC teams could be left out to dry
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I guess we can close this thread now.
