So Chapo’s hissy fit “TUES/WED STRAWMAN BULLSHIT”Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
reply is “lacking in accuracy”?
Plus the ESPN throw-in…
:rofl:
Kinda like how he was just a few weeks off on the Mountain West schedules…
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So Chapo’s hissy fit “TUES/WED STRAWMAN BULLSHIT”Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
reply is “lacking in accuracy”?
Plus the ESPN throw-in…
:rofl:
Kinda like how he was just a few weeks off on the Mountain West schedules…
OSU/WSU aren't going to make a move until they see what happens with Cal and Stanford.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Cal and Stanford meanwhile are going to do everything they can to get into ACC or B12.
Supposedly they are one vote shy of getting into ACC, so the focus for now is flipping one vote there.
FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St are the no votes.
This could all take more time to play out, especially to see the G5 cascade.
I'm thinking by around December timeframe things should decided. By then all the schools will want a plan, because time starts to work against them for recruiting, media deals, and everything else.
An interesting question is how long will Cal and Stanford keep trying to flip a vote if it stays deadlocked?
If they can't join another P4, then rebuilding the PAC becomes an option, if enough time for that remains.
At least 6-10 G5 schools applied to be PAC members, before the shit hit the fan.
Seems like the B12 rumors have been debunked. https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/s...085447291?s=20
That means it's likely ACC, rebuild PAC, or go Indy for Cal and Stanford.
I don't think their pride will let them join a G5, and those 2 could possibly have near Notre Dame status as Indy.
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Originally Posted by BigHorns
Jaxksonville State and Sam Houston play 5 mid week, 2 at home
EEvery team has minimum of 4 games mid week, 2 at home
Start times are typically between 6-8 pm
Home schedule is mostly 12 games. This could make midweek games a box score. Who would travel mid week?
So the biggest benefit would be more visible road games
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It looks increasingly likely that Cal, Stanford and SMU and the ACC will close a deal to bring those three schools to the conference, in all sports in which the ACC competes
Silver is a reputable reporter from the San Francisco Chronicle
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Originally Posted by MWC
WSU/OSU to the MWC put them at 13 members
NDSU for team #14 (or add NDSU and 2 others from the south) to get to 16 and have 8 and 8 per division
WSU/OSU would make 14 for football. 13 for all other sports..Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
"https://sports360az.com/2023/08/wilner-all-about-washington-state-and-oregon-state-from-the-pac-2-and-a-reverse-merger-with-the-mw-to-the-bylaws-and-war-chest/amp/"
But the AAC will be down 1 and arguably their best team. Who do they raid to get back to 14?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Stanford and Cal to the Atlantic Coast Conference. All the sharks have now been jumped by this effed up realignment carousel.
Time to rename the shit out of these conferences… here’s some ideas to start, any conference can take any of these:Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Superfantastic Conference
Awesomesauce Conference
Real Cool Conference
Razzle Dazzle Conference
…you’re welcome.
They should call themselves the Athletic Coastal Conference ... or the "Coastal Athletic Association" haQuote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
One thing I learned recently is that the CAA is actually called the Coastal Athletic Association - not sure when it happened since I always remember them being the Colonial Athletic Association but that's the official name (link) now and most of us don't even notice because they're usually referred to as the CAA regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Still smoke in the CaliStan and SMU to the ACC chimney.
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/statu...ad-975988.html
The thread talks about how by not taking full shares the ACC will have left over pro rata dollars to create a "success initiative" fund.
You're correct twice. Colonial recently changed to Coastal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Interesting rationale on why the ACC may add CaliStan and SMU: 15
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/s...tmlpid19103553
Not sure how many other FBS proponents here actually watch those games.
NMSU made UMass look like a powerhouse
UTEP vs JSU gameplay was sloppy and just sad, on both sides of the ball.
This was JSU's first FBS game, and they squeaked out a win at home, in a nearly empty stadium.
The "new" CUSA is starting off like the total shitfest everyone knew it would be.
This could actually work out well for us. A MWC that is dominated by western Land grants is the perfect forever home for NDSU. Due to the way that realignment is shaking out, it looks like the MWC is going to get Oregon State and Washington State and will be together for the long haul. It gives NDSU a real long term goal and something to aspire to. Especially if we go in with Montana, Montana State and SDSU. The truth is that none of us are ready to make that jump though. We need to get our facilities up to a high G5 level, move up to CUSA and take our lumps, prove that we belong and can fund athletics at the FBS level. If we do all that successfully, we will eventually get that MWC invite. Gene Taylor will die a happy man.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
taking lumps and the CUSA don't really belong in the same sentence regarding NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
I don't know about this year's team, but last year's team would have been rolled by the top two or three teams in CUSA. And please, no one give me "but Sagarin." We looked exactly like an FCS team last year. The top CUSA teams looked like FBS teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
No longer an option. Guys... its. over.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Second best team in the fcs ain't bad ehQuote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
That was the old CUSA. The top teams left and it's now basically the Southland 2.0. WKU and MTSU probably regret not taking that MAC invite. Give us the extra scholarships and an OC that knows the forward pass is legal and we roll everyone there. Definitely a downgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
CUSA members just signed a GOR for I believe 5 more years. Their tv deal is 800 grand per member. The GOR in essence means it could cost as much as 4 million bucks in exit fees.
" ... SMU by morning ... "
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-acc...173527541.html
Time to go the St Thomas route and bully our way out of FCS
I thought it was the MIAC bullying them out. To their credit they responded with an unbelievable KO punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Welp, here's to waiting for another FBS shakeup in 2-3 years.
That puts the AAC at 13. Maybe we could be 14. Geography apparently doesnt matter anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Are we talking AAC or ACC?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Our facilities are already at upper G5 levels, heck our practice facility is better than some P5!Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Suspect he's referring to stadium capacity, everything else is there. Stadium is fine for most conferences as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
If you actually watch CUSA and MAC games, our attendance tops many of those games already, regardless of what they report to meet the FBS requirement.
And if you watch any CUSA games, its also clear we wouldn't be taking any "lumps" there. SDSU and NDSU are better than any team in that league. NMSU looked pathetic against bottom dweller UMass. Problem is, nobody would care if we dominated that conference, and they have no shot at CFP because the teams are so weak. Plus, now there's a 5 year GoR lock in. We'd be better off waiting for the next round of shuffling in 2 years if we don't get an opening now.
Our capacity is fine but we need the proposed dome upgrades to pass this December to look upper tier. We also need the high dollar club seats the proposal will provide.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Agree, that proposal looks like a winner to me. Improves the amenities for everyone, and will improve stadium revenues too. Need to get that done.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Have you been to the SHAC? I am grateful that we have it but it is no where near upper G5 and is not even in the top half of the Summit. The MWC and AAC are overall better basketball conferences then they are football and to get into one of those leagues, we will have to move basketball out of its low major status. That starts with facilities.
I think your facilities are first rate. That will certainly help you going forward in FCS and if you move up to FBS. Your location hurts the cause a bit but is not insurmountable the way conferences are going these days. They are spreading out all over. The key, like almost everything else, is money. You have enough to compete and you can increase your revenue. That is great for NDSU. However, the question remains. Are ESPN (AAC) or CBS/Fox (MW) willing to bump up their tv deals to absorb you into either conference? If they are not, you may have to be very creative.
Have you seen FAU's arena? Seating for 2,900. 35-4, Final Four team.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
https://fausports.com/sports/2018/5/...rena-html.aspx
https://cbs12.com/resources/media/a0...?1679689862322
http://www.trbimg.com/img-51913fd2/t...13/599/599x259
As much as I'd like to see us replace the SHAC, thats not the obstacle. Success with coaching/winning is what really matters.
Guess you could argue a new arena might attract better players.
They do have a 30k football stadium that is pretty decent.
We need to consistently fill the SHAC before we can even think about upgrading that facility. Heck if we need a bigger venue we can use the Fargo dome for BBQuote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Not as much spreading out for G5 conferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
The fact that you (and I) have to ask this tells me all I need to know about CUSA. They're only slightly more relevant than MVFC. I mean, maybe they are a short term landing spot, but I'm not sure there's a conference that would pick us up in the future that isn't interested in picking us up now. I think it's far more likely that the FBS P5 consolidates into 4 super conferences with 20 teams each (and only play each other) and then the G5 starts looking at upper tier FCS schools in an attempt to remain somewhat relevant. Especially in the era of NIL and Transfer Portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
The best bet is probably to embrace the idea that we will likely be a development program for P5 schools, giving fringe P5 athletes a chance to shine early on rather than ride the bench or be perpetually buried in a depth chart. The theory would be that by openly embracing that you would attract a higher level athlete to your program for 1 to 3 years which would theoretically result in a dominant performance year in and year out. Perhaps by showing we can and do produce top tier athletes that can lead to a potential invite as conferences and the league evolve. It' not what I *want* for NDSU or college sports, but what I want (MWC invite or my hypothetical PAC rebuild invite) has very little to do with the current reality.