Or we could just assume that most fans here want what they feel is best for “the program” and do what they can within their means to support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
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Or we could just assume that most fans here want what they feel is best for “the program” and do what they can within their means to support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...ctor-denies-itQuote:
Originally Posted by heffray
NDSU admin on the record said that it didn't, but in interviews has also clearly stated we have NO interest there.
On the flip side, the schools CUSA would call up next are well known and published, its the WAC and ASun schools. They aren't trying to expand at the moment, it would reduce their per school revenues even more.
It's logical neither party has much interest, there's just not enough revenue there to cover the travel. Anyone paying attention knows CUSA is looking to minimize travel and expenses and stay in the Southeast. We would make less than half of our current media deal, it would be a pay cut for NDSU.
People banging this drum just can't accept that travel costs do matter to the bottom G5.
The level of competition would also be worse than MVFC, a quick look at Sagarin shows this.
Compared to CUSA, MAC would be a homerun.
The MAC will never ever offer us unless shit really falls apart. It is a bus league thru and thru with other bus-able options should they need them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Hell, I’m just happy our administration finally isnt afraid of admitting that they’re looking at FBS and would be interested if the offer came. Hope they didn’t lose too much sleep over giving the fanbase an ounce of hope.
Oh, all the money including playoff credits are split between the Pac 4. Thats 105 million per team. If anyone thinks they will bail to the mountain west to earn 4 million per year, they are nuts. They will simply add 2 more teams (to get a waiver) from any conference. They will have an easy path to the CFP, unlike a G5.
Them when the MW TV deal is done in 2025, they will poach them with no exit fee.
How sure are you that the winner of a six team PAC would be one of the 6 highest ranked conference champions?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
This is entirely possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Something to remember is that about a week ago there was talk of PAC expansion and all being well.
Friday morning, reputable reporters were saying the PAC was sticking together and signing the apple deal
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/statu...865481216?s=20
By that evening the SHTF, and it was all falling apart.
The PAC-4 clearly got caught with their pants down when everyone else ran for the exits.
It may take them a few weeks to figure things out, but these are still schools with more power and prestige than anyone in the G5.
We will see if they have the guts and pride to rebuild it, or just take the first exit they find too.
Ideally, they would add 4 top notch G5, and then figure things out from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
It should be #5 if they can poach the top G5 schools from AAC and MWC.
They would have to screw it up pretty bad to drop below #6.
If the best targets say no, that would change the picture.
But the Pac-4 would just go Indy before they add someone like Kennesaw or FIU.
Maybe they wouldn't have Notre Dame status, but they would still get respect.
It didn't really. When CUSA was on the edge of imploding, they asked a bunch of schools(20+?) if they were interested. Reading between the lines, NDSU might have expressed interest in football-only membership, but gave a pretty hard pass on being a full member.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
But it needs a little more context. It was pretty clear at the time that CUSA was not offering membership to those they asked, they were just gauging interest. They were trying to put together a list to see what combos might work. They had a short list of real contenders they wanted, but were also looking at what other schools around each of those contenders might also come along if asked. In our case, the critical member was Missouri State. If the Bears had been interested, then CUSA would have looked north to SDSU and NDSU to see if they wanted to form a new geographic wing to the conference. But MSU wasn't interested, so it didn't matter what NDSU answered; there wasn't going to be an invite. It's even possible NDSU admin knew MSU's position before they even said anything to CUSA.
Sorry but no. The context you provide is interesting supposition, but not necessary for understanding the bottom line. Ndsu was clear they were not interested in CUSA. It was reported that NDSU told CUSA that. I complained about our short-sightedness at the time. Talk of FBS lifeboats and all that. People here on the board rejoiced as you all wanted no part of CUSA. “MVFC is better.” “Travel would suck.” “No media deal in place” Fine, whatever. But you can’t now downplay that there was an opportunity. Missouri State had nothing to do with it. CUSA was desperate. No one seriously doubts NDSU could have gone to CUSA if they had wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Wait, where is this $105M x 4 coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
FBS conference needs 8 full members, not 6 like FCS.
The MWC exit fees are in the bylaws, not a media deal GOR. The only way to avoid exit fees is getting enough votes to dissolve the conference, which probably won't happen.
Conferences are hard to kill but the PAC seems to have found a way.
Possible (rumored) PAC12 numbers
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Dave “Softy” Mahler
@Softykjr
One thing I just learned per source about Pac 12 media rights offer:
There was NEVER an offer that included ANY linear TV options.
$23m annually from Apple with an opt out after two years was the ONLY option presented to the executive committee.
Pac 12 was paying out $27m this year. Would have been a $4m loss plus the loss of linear TV.
Non starter that would never be accepted
5:57 PM · Aug 5, 2023
Possible (rumored) Washington Big10 numbers
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Dave “Softy” Mahler
@Softykjr
Per source, UW will be accepting a reduced share for the next 6 years form the Big Ten that will average roughly 32.5 million a year.
The real windfall will come when the new Big Ten media deal is agreed to. Could be for more than 2.5-3x what UW will make in first 6 years.
UW also will have access to non media rights revenue streams(CFP revenue, NCAA tournament revenue) that could add $10+ million per year.
6:02 PM · Aug 5, 2023
3x comment would imply a $1.8 billion annual media deal for the conference. The current deal is like $1.1 billion through 2030.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
The whole conference gets the last payment for the Pac 12 Networks. Instead of splitting it 12 ways, it's split 4 waysQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
Same is true of the payments from the NCAA Tournament credits and the bump in College Football Playoff money for being in an autonomous conference
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There is still some money out there for these 4 schools. Way more than the MW TV deal that pays 4 million a year and could shrink more if split amongst 4 more teams
I dont believe the PAC 12 wants the whole MWC for all sports. They would be better off poaching 4 teams nationwide. Whether it's a Memphis, UTEP or pretty much anyone
The PAC media ends July 1, 2024. All 12 members are playing the 2023/4 season and receiving their share. BB credits are nice but anyone joining is leaving behind credits too so that's a wash. I strongly suspect the CFP revamps who gets paid what since the PAC is now a power conference in name only. Don't forget they owe Comcast somewhere between $50-70M.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story...ditional-moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
18 million per year now split between 4 schools. Thats more than the MW gets for their whole TV deal.
Thats just for basketball
The lack of an exit fee was the undoing.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Except they won't be split 4 ways. If they don't return to at least 8 they're no longer a conference and the credits go to the schools that earned them. If they want to get 8 there's no way anybody is going to pay $20-34M in exit fees and not get a share. The MWC and AAC have a nice pile of credits too they'd be leaving behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
PAC finances are a mess.
So $4.5M per school.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
I wonder if that covers the interest on Cal's FB renovations annual mortgage payment ($18M).
... and are making the PAC the first zombie conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Well... if the MW pays 4 million per school and its further dilluted... beggers cant be choosers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Also the 50 million the conference owes Comcast will be taken from the $420 million revenue due to the conference this year. That leaves 370 million split amongst 4 schools. Almost 100 milliom each
They made their own mess. Unless the Big 10 or 12 save them, which is unlikely. They may need to set a budget amd make that money go far
What don't you understand about this? The last year of payments is split 12 ways, not 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Reading some speculation that some in the MWC might team up to get enough votes to dissolve or waive the exit fees....then leave to the PAC. This could leave Nevada and a few others stuck alone.
No idea if this is likely, but the XDSUs and Montana Schools could fit nicely with Wyoming, Nevada, and a couple more.
It was the reason behind the schools leaving for sure. But I don't think it kills the conference. Maybe weakens it into a G5 but their is still too much money on the table by G5 standards. They get 18 millon a year in basketball credits split between the remaining teams. That itself will incentivse them to keep the conference going until that falls off the books. They will get that money after the MW deal expires. To a Conference USA school who only gets 750k a year from their TV deal, I guarantee the PAC 4 can do better if they can get up to 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Also they should be able to at the very least secure a mediocre TV deal on par with the MW if they can add 4 teams.
I'd take that in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
Me too, but it could be a long shot, I have no idea how the MW schools look at things, but I would think a number of them would want to be in a PAC with OSU and WSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Bird
MWC by-laws only require simple majority vote to eliminate buy-outs or dissolve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
If motion on either of those came to vote, and I were Wyo or UNM, I'd be worried.
Interesting, I agree with you. I wasn't sure it only required simple majority. That could increase chances of something still happening here that would open a move for NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Seems like all the activity on Friday could still either be a very good thing or a very bad thing for the MWC. In any case, if a spot opens up for NDSU in the MWC it seems very likely that the conference will look completely different than it does today. Although that's probably an ideal scenario for NDSU IMO because it means potential for multiple regional partners to make the move with them which will be crucial for the non-revenue sports.
SDSU, Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and Missouri St would all be viable FBS candidates IMO - one or all of those first 3 going with NDSU would be as good of an opportunity as they could hope for but there would be plenty of scenarios for MWC east and northward expansion should the PAC pull out the undertaker gif and figure out a way to raid the MWC.
I thought the Pac 12 was withholding payments for the 2023-2024 season? If not, nothing really changes other than Cal will be more fuckedQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
I've seen both 50% and 75% claimed as the requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
If I were Wyo I'd be talking with USU and UNM (and SJSU?) to make sure they understand how they could be hung out and to get a voting bloc together.
The MWC has "history":
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/spo...ce/1457199002/
Interesting. I would imagine the Pac 4 wants nothing to do with markets like Laramie Wyoming and Logan Utah.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
It will want to cherry pick the teams with the most value. Air Force, Colorado State, Boise and San Diego State
The PAC has no money especially to pay 4 MWC exit fees. They have to take the entire MWC to avoid the exit fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Or the a big 12 to kick out West Virginia. Lots of schools in the P4 are at the same level as Washington st and Oregon st. They got lucky to be on the inside when all this poaching started.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
By taking the top half of the MWC. They would have to vote to remove the exit fees then leave. That’s the only way the PAC steals from the MWC without taking all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
That would also result in a very interesting lawsuit. Let's say 8 schools want to leave and avoid the $34M exit. $272M is worth suing over collusion. Only guarantee in that suit is that all the lawyers get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
This is what happens if SDSU puts together enough teams to join them in leaving the conference. Nothing against the rules to vote out the exit fees. Question is do they take the CA and NV schools? I would not take HI either if I was the PAC. This leaves a huge hole for the Big Sky and NDSU!Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Leave Mo St and SDSU off the list, they have shown the commitment to afford it. Even the Montanas have a Long way to go. Idaho and NDSU are they only schools ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
A fraud by collusion against the defectors would be lucrative for the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Based on what criteria? Not sure about Idaho, but NDSU doesn't currently meet the new FBS requirements. Not undoable but looking at the math and needing to add $1 million in student aid when you're already fully funded looks like another women's sport likely needs to be added somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club