A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

What did I learn from all this? Door just slammed shut for ndsu..... losing an entire fbs conference is worst scenario.

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False, it's the perfect scenario for NDSU.The remaining PAC members aren't going to merge with the MWC, it would be dumb for them to do so. They would give up their current P5 autonomy, NCAA basketball autobid and credits, and CFP payout. Instead they will grab the the cream from the AAC and MWC and try to survive. That will leave the MWC and AAC severely depleted and looking for members.

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Originally Posted by AKBison

False, it's the perfect scenario for NDSU.The remaining PAC members aren't going to merge with the MWC, it would be dumb for them to do so. They would give up their current P5 autonomy, NCAA basketball autobid and credits, and CFP payout. Instead they will grab the the cream from the AAC and MWC and try to survive. That will leave the MWC and AAC severely depleted and looking for members.

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Well, this is what we need to hope for. There are PAC/MWC merger discussions underway though.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...r-after-exodus

AAC ($18m) and MWC ($34m) exit fees are a significant challenge when combined with no media deal, exit fees and $50m debt to Comcast for PAC.

If PAC manages to reconstitute itself now, that may be the comeback of the decade.

Stanford has reportedly reached out to the B12 for a lifeline.

The PAC-4 could be the PAC-3 or PAC-2 soon.

If the PAC4 teams join the MWC (not merge but leave PAC4 and join MWC and evade the Comcast thing), NDSU's best FBS options become MAC or AAC.

If the PAC4 schools decide to try to stick it out, our best chance of all might be to join that conference. This would be fucking awesome.

I now don't see a situation where we end up in the MWC.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

If the PAC4 teams join the MWC (not merge but leave PAC4 and join MWC and evade the Comcast thing), NDSU's best FBS options become MAC or AAC.

If the PAC4 schools decide to try to stick it out, our best chance of all might be to join that conference. This would be fucking awesome.

I now don't see a situation where we end up in the MWC.

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If PAC4 decide to stick it out, they will backfill with FBS schools.
PAC-4 will go Indy before they call up FCS teams.

If PAC-4 backfills, that should open a few slots, somewhere.
We need PAC to survive for a near term shot anywhere other than the MAC.

AAC now also trying to add the PAC-4 if they can.

https://twitter.com/SlowSteadyEddie/...338391040?s=20

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Stanford has reportedly reached out to the B12 for a lifeline.

The PAC-4 could be the PAC-3 or PAC-2 soon.

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I mean every team should’ve been doing that since the minute the B12 won the race to getting a media deal done. B12 going to tell them helllll no.

This very situation has been prognosticated by armchair AD’s for over a year it would be wild if those 4 schools didn’t have a contingency.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

AAC now also trying to add the PAC-4 if they can.

https://twitter.com/SlowSteadyEddie/...338391040?s=20

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Geographically, that conference would probably have the least hangup about having a Great Plains school that brings value.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I mean every team should’ve been doing that since the minute the B12 won the race to getting a media deal done. B12 going to tell them helllll no.

This very situation has been prognosticated by armchair AD’s for over a year it would be wild if those 4 schools didn’t have a contingency.

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Agree, it seems like some of the Elites at places like Stanford just thought it was impossible for PAC to fail.
Supposedly Stanford AD cussed out GK last night when he promised to help them find landing spots on an emergency meeting and left the call.

Now they are scrambling to figure out whats next.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Agree, it seems like some of the Elites at places like Stanford just thought it was impossible for PAC to fail.
Supposedly Stanford AD cussed out GK last night when he promised to help them find landing spots on an emergency meeting and left the call.

Now they are scrambling to figure out whats next.

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To be fair, you only have to go back a few pages in this thread to find a bunch of people saying it's impossible to kill a conference, especially a P5. That was a pretty widespread view until yesterday.

It wasn't too long ago that the big scuttlebutt was that Texas and Oklahoma were heading to the PAC12 and that it'd be the end of the Big12.

I wonder how long it will take the B1G to kick out Rutgers or the SEC to kick out Vandy, etc.

Will the Big12 ultimately survive or are they next in about 5 years?

It is weird to witness all of this happening. College sports and the student athlete won't be better off for these moves. The divide will get bigger.

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Originally Posted by oldmantutters

Very interesting listen to The Audible podcast with Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman talking about realignment. Specifically the portion where they talked about what will become of Stanford. Basically there's this assumption that Stanford is flush with cash, but just a few years ago they were looking at cutting multiple sports and there isn't great interest on campus in football. Didn't rule out ending up as an FCS team.

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Stanford has a 37 billion dollar endowment. They spend more than $6 billion per year for a university that isn't much bigger than NDSU

Anyway it's really disgusting that TV money and some administrator egos are fucking up college football this year.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

It wasn't too long ago that the big scuttlebutt was that Texas and Oklahoma were heading to the PAC12 and that it'd be the end of the Big12.

I wonder how long it will take the B1G to kick out Rutgers or the SEC to kick out Vandy, etc.

Will the Big12 ultimately survive or are they next in about 5 years?

It is weird to witness all of this happening. College sports and the student athlete won't be better off for these moves. The divide will get bigger.

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The Big12 looks to be solidly in 3rd place after B1G and SEC. Don't see the B12 getting raided anymore, there's simply nobody left that the top 2 want. ACC media deal is worse and it seems half the conference wants out, so if anything the B12 can absorb anybody they want after the B1G/SEC take their pick of the litter. The ACC GOR is the only thing keeping them together right now, they're in a lot of trouble once that expires.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

It wasn't too long ago that the big scuttlebutt was that Texas and Oklahoma were heading to the PAC12 and that it'd be the end of the Big12.

I wonder how long it will take the B1G to kick out Rutgers or the SEC to kick out Vandy, etc.

Will the Big12 ultimately survive or are they next in about 5 years?

It is weird to witness all of this happening. College sports and the student athlete won't be better off for these moves. The divide will get bigger.

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I've wondered about this a lot recently. There are some teams, especially in the SEC, that don't increase the value of the conference, but are getting a full share of the pie. Curious to see how long it lasts or if we start seeing more performance based sharing, like the ACC is going to do.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Too late. Our arrogance with respect to CUSA and not seeing them as an available, if temporary, mechanism to become FBS has left us now biting our fingernails, waiting on 15 other teams and conferences to make decisions. Hell, even going as an independent a few years ago (probably not now) would have been better than FCS. But the way we've played our hand over the past few years...ultra conservative, ultra smug, and ultra silent...NDSU belongs in the FCS.

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As much as the CUSA sucks ass this is the only option for the time being.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

As much as the CUSA sucks ass this is the only option for the time being.

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Its more of an illusion than a real option, they will stay in their footprint. They have their expansion candidates already, and its basically ASun schools. That conference makes less than $1m per school.

MAC is a far more realistic goal. Even Indy, which is a crazy longshot filled with potholes is more likely.

AAC, MW, *pinches nose", MAC.... Just get us the fruck outta here!

First GFCC... Now Murray State.... Murray..... State.

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Originally Posted by bruinbison

Perhaps the G5/Top Tier FCS is a stronger possibility today than last week…
Somebody needs to come in with some money for televising/streaming such a playoff and that would grease the skids…

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Apparently AppleTV+ is looking for a college football partner.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

As much as the CUSA sucks ass this is the only option for the time being.

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Unless the PAC 12 (4) guts the rest of the G5. The remaining 4 are still P5 quality and the best teams in the G5

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

As much as the CUSA sucks ass this is the only option for the time being.

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It was an option. It is no longer an option. We are no longer on their radar. We told them to f right off. All life boats have been launched.

NDSU should be on the phone talking to the players about putting a best of the rest conference together centered around the MWC, but through Pac12 infrastructure. Tack on NDSU SDSU SMU and Memphis.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

I wonder how long it will take the B1G to kick out Rutgers or the SEC to kick out Vandy, etc.

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They, frankly any conference member not delivering the value of a share, would be wise to take note of the predicament of WasSU and OrSU right now.

WasSU has serious debt/budget issues also.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

They, frankly any conference member not delivering the value of a share, would be wise to take note of the predicament of WasSU and OrSU right now.

WasSU has serious debt/budget issues also.

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To your point yesterday, I don't think the academic consortium behind the Big10 would stand for kicking out anyone except maybe Nebraska, which isn't happening.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

It was an option. It is no longer an option. We are no longer on their radar. We told them to f right off. All life boats have been launched.

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We make more in the MVFC, and we need money
How much did you give NDSU athletics this year?

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

As much as the CUSA sucks ass this is the only option for the time being.

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Disagree. A conference that fears being raided in the future could invite a group to be the "Great Plains" division to have inventory.

Or, the NCAA could realize western CFB may soon be the MWC+2 and the BSC*. They could allow a rogue group to form a new G5 conference to fill the "entry level" FBS void in the west (without formal invite to FBS, ala Liberty). But this is the NCAA we're expecting to make sense, so don't hold your breath. And there's money involved and potentially more folks wanting a cut.


*Not that long ago it was PAC, MWC, WAC, BSC.

Honestly with the huge buyouts in the AAC and MWC member contracts, NDSU might actually be the best available school. Get on the horn we can be in the PAC by Monday.

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

To your point yesterday, I don't think the academic consortium behind the Big10 would stand for kicking out anyone except maybe Nebraska, which isn't happening.

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If the PAC4 was shifty they'd quietly (no tampering, wink) let the part of the MWC they'd associate with know they'd be accepted. If it were six or more of the MWC, the by-laws only require majority vote to (a) remove exit fees, and (b) dissolve the conference. So say USAFA, SDSU, CSU, SDSU, UNR, Hawaii, got a quiet wink: They could remove the exit fee, dissolve, take their fraction of the remains, ... and Boise*, UNLV**, Wyo, UNM would be screwed.

But that PAC4+6, would they get better than a $10M share media deal? Even if they invited Gonzaga? That won't feed the CaliStan beasts.


*I don't see CaliStan ever tied to Boise State.
**Maybe included to appease UNR.

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

Honestly with the huge buyouts in the AAC and MWC member contracts, NDSU might actually be the best available school. Get on the horn we can be in the PAC by Monday.

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It'd be a PAC2. No way would CaliStan stay for that (or any FCS call-ups).

The PAC right now:
- four teams that are about as disparate in the conference as could be: CaliStan and the xSUs.
- no media deal to offer to potential new members
- $50M in debt to Comcast (because of billing mistake)
- $24.2M in assets (per 2021 IRS Form 990)
- whatever NCAAT credits they have

That really doesn't look like a nice landing spot.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

It'd be a PAC2. No way would CaliStan stay for that (or any FCS call-ups).

The PAC right now:
- four teams that are about as disparate in the conference as could be: CaliStan and the xSUs.
- no media deal to offer to potential new members
- $50M in debt to Comcast (because of billing mistake)
- $24.2M in assets (per 2021 IRS Form 990)
- whatever NCAAT credits they have

That really doesn't look like a nice landing spot.

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I'm channeling my inner Chapo.

If the bay schools leave then you have a 4 team shell (NDSU SDSU OSU WSU) you can invite new members into.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

If the PAC4 was shifty they'd quietly (no tampering, wink) let the part of the MWC they'd associate with know they'd be accepted. If it were six or more of the MWC, the by-laws only require majority vote to (a) remove exit fees, and (b) dissolve the conference. So say USAFA, SDSU, CSU, SDSU, UNR, Hawaii, got a quiet wink: They could remove the exit fee, dissolve, take their fraction of the remains, ... and Boise*, UNLV**, Wyo, UNM would be screwed.

But that PAC4+6, would they get better than a $10M share media deal? Even if they invited Gonzaga? That won't feed the CaliStan beasts.


*I don't see CaliStan ever tied to Boise State.
**Maybe included to appease UNR.

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They could definitely make it work. The money is there. The desire for the top half of the MW to be associated with the PAC rather than the bottom of the MW is there. The desperation is there.

What’s not there is time. There’s a part of me that thinks they could work something out by June 30th of next year, and the PAC 4 just chill out for a year as essentially Indy’s maybe with a scheduling agreement with the AAC or ACC.

It’s just an effing mess and no one that’s left in the PAC has shown they have the initiative, leadership, grasp on reality or fortitude to do what it would take.

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

I'm channeling my inner Chapo.

If the bay schools leave then you have a 4 team shell (NDSU SDSU OSU WSU) you can invite new members into.

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Oof I’m gonna need some stronger stuff tonight if we’re going down this road

Pac 10 should take Cali Schools
Fresno San Jose San Diego Hawaii

MWC backfills with NDSU/NMSU or UTEP/SMU

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

I'm channeling my inner Chapo.

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Penicillin will clear that up.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Pac 10 should take Cali Schools
Fresno San Jose San Diego Hawaii

MWC backfills with NDSU/NMSU or UTEP/SMU

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How are the Cali schools going to afford the MWC buy-out and no PAC media deal to go to?

The way out of the MWC is getting a majority to either (a) eliminate buy-out, or (b) close up shop. Otherwise it's a $17-$34M poison pill to prevent defections.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Oof I’m gonna need some stronger stuff tonight if we’re going down this road

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Grain Belt in the garage fridge by the ginger beer and limes; Tito's for mules in the cabinet if you grabbed a ginger beer and a lime.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Penicillin will clear that up.

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If only that were true.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

We make more in the MVFC, and we need money
How much did you give NDSU athletics this year?

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I dunno. A couple hundred bucks and season tickets. As if it matters.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

It was an option. It is no longer an option. We are no longer on their radar. We told them to f right off. All life boats have been launched.

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Wait, what?! When did this happen?

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

How much did you give NDSU athletics this year?

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Ok that dick-measuring bullshit needs to stop.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I dunno. A couple hundred bucks and season tickets. As if it matters.

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It obviously matters. Glad you bought tickets

If people are gong to dis on the school and program for not moving up, its fair to ask how much they support the program