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That would be amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
Problem is MWC has 12 members, and with OSU/WSU would go to 14.
If that happens without losses, they likely hold at 14 like AAC and SBC.
We would need something else to happen to force MWC to lose the schools we don't want for this scenario.
I hear what you’re saying but how about this? What if we just waited to see how the landscape shakes out first? Maybe we just wait in FCS until everything is done moving around, and then we decide we wanted to jump!Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
I’m sure it’s not like it’s going to get progressively more difficult to make the jump as time goes on or anything like that. No way!
Apologies to George Strait, but ...
Pacific 4 by morning ...
Get the dripping sarcasm, but this isn't finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
This is not the final chapter. Everyone in P5 is still trying to jump to B1G and SEC.
There will absolutely be more chaos and moves in next 3-5 years.
Just the other day some guy was quoted,
"I can't predict what's going to happen in the future, especially in the sport of football, ... Those are things we have to make sure we're cognizant of what's ahead of us. Literally not a day goes by where I'm not monitoring the landscape ... We all need to just be mindful of where we are in the moment, knowing it feels a bit tenuous, ... We always need to understand that tomorrow might not be where today is."
Pretty sound counsel I'd say.
then they need 2 more NDSU UTEPQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Its now looking likely the PAC-4 and MWC will simply merge. Not the outcome we wanted really
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...230966272?s=20
Or let some new schools take over that g5 conference! Time is now to make the move!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
When has the PAC done the practical thing before?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Big score for MWC if it happens
One wonders now, given the new playoff format, if FBS will leave the conference void that comes from the merger empty
Assuming it happens of course
They are already discussing changes to the format, and want more at large to go to the remaining P4 conferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
G5 will be lucky to retain one bid slot.
Power conferences are saying the new format should be all at large, which would be 99% of time awarded to power conferences.
The power conferences are closing ranks, at some point will leave the G5 after they've sucked all the money out.
What real benefit is that to the MWC? Didn’t the PAC just prove that no one wants to pay for games in the pacific time zone?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
So you add a couple prestigious schools but does your media deal really go up that much? They’re not going to even the shitty Apple deal the PAC was offered.
MWC should have long term glasses on and realize they need to move more central. Not saying that means NDSU but being heavily weighted to the West is a death knell.
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What did I learn from all this? Door just slammed shut for ndsu..... losing an entire fbs conference is worst scenario.
If you think this years game attendance is going to be bad just wait until next year when it’s crystal clear we are stuck in the FCS for the long foreseeable future. Woof, it’s going to get pretty grim for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
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^^^^ this. all of this. wake the heck up and do WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET NDSU INTO FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
NOW.!!!
there's still a longshot PAC rebuilds itself and poaches some schools. thats what we need to hope for right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Odds are we won't be able to move with this round, but there will still be more movement eventually. Ultimately the power conferences are going to consolidate and split off, but that will take more time.
Most likely we are gonna have to grin and bear it with fcs a few more years.
The playoffs are still fun.
It's all about the Benjamins.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
How does the PAC "lure" teams that have $18M (AAC) to $34M (MWC) exit fees to the PAC when the PAC:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
- has no media deal
- owes Comcast $50M dollars because of misbilling
If they could float it for a year as independents that would change a lot. Wait for those buyouts to cool off a year. No idea if that’s possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
How would the schools that received the benefits of the overpayment just get off scot free by leaving the conference? Lol highway robbery. Steal $50M from comcast, leave the leftovers for dead, then leave them with the bill on the way out the door?
That being said I can’t see the school presidents that just absolutely got played like witless fools are gonna pull off some slick power moves. I feel terrible for their stakeholders reading their interviews. “Omg we had no idea this could happen?!” Lol oof
The whole thing feels like it's going to collapse, other than 30ish teams. I can see college sports at most schools going back to a non-scholly DIII type model as the schools won't be able to afford all of the non-revenue sports that leach off fb and bb.
Ultimately you may be right, and it is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
All of the FBS money is being consolidated to the top 30-50 teams.
Meanwhile, the cost of fielding a winning team keeps escalating too. Have to build the best facilities, hire the top coaches, and now pay the top players too.
There is going to be 2/3 FBS pro level conferences, and everyone else left with peanuts.
What is happening now is everyone trying to latch onto one of those conferences they hope survives.
I hope our team can stay focused like this and not get distracted by all the FBS noise.Quote:
Oregon State players, who were in Valley Football Center preparing for Friday’s practice when the news broke, were only willing to look ahead to a 2023 Pac-12 season.
“I don’t think our team needs to worry about it. Wherever we go, we go. Where we don’t go, we don’t go,” right tackle Taliese Fuaga said. “Our team is here in Corvallis. Wherever we play, we play.”
Said quarterback Ben Gulbranson: “We’re just excited for the 2023 season and look forward to winning a lot of ball games.”
It would be nice to return to Frisco and win another one this year.
I don't expect people to embrace it though, and attendance will almost certainly suffer while apathy builds. They have to give people some hope for a change, because the rest of FCS is embarrassing and so uninteresting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Until they make a move to FBS, I've lost considerable interest. I'll watch the games on TV when able, but it isn't appointment viewing for me and the experience in the dome isn't a novelty or enthralling anymore.
This is so hard to predict. Standord, Cal, Washington State and Oregon State have more drawing power for a TV contraxt than the entire Mountain West Combined. Unlike the Mountain West, who has a crappy TV deal (4 million pet school average) to split among 4 more teams, the 4 Pac 12 teams can negotiate a better deal if they poach Boise, San Diego State, Colorado State and Fresno. Then they are up to 8 teams. That would leave the Mountain West with 7
But you have the exit fees. Maybe the PAC 12 has some money in reserve to help pay them?
The Mountain West TV deal goes through 2025-2026. Can the renegotiate? Then again the PAC 12 has no deal which is good and bad. But poaching their remaining 4 schools has no exit fee
But I can see a short term scheduling arrangement for sure.
Then again, I dont believe the Big 10 is done with 4 west coast schools. It just doesnt make sense
They are done, the only thing they want is ND and/or schools in the ACC.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
The ACC is going to be the next battleground.
The Big 10 is becoming the professional super league that will take the top teams and split with the SEC in a NFC/AFC style.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
They don't need or want 100 teams, maybe 24 or so each. Thats larger than the NFL.
When I think about the events of this week, and how quickly the PAC was torn apart, it does make me a little sad. We are doing all this just to turn the top of college sports into Pro teams chasing money. The old NCAA system is rapidly dying.
Maybe there is hope for whatever emerges as the second tier out of this mess, I'm not sure. But until they put some structures in place that can even the playing field a bit, its just all one unending mega money chase now.
NDSU will never be in the top tier of this new system. If we are fortunate, maybe someday we can be part of a more rational second tier. I just have no idea how long that will take.
OSU and Wazzu have been raking in millions for years and both are carrying huge debt. They founded the conference. They didn't have to get into the money chase but they did. Certainly a cautionary tale.
Very interesting listen to The Audible podcast with Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman talking about realignment. Specifically the portion where they talked about what will become of Stanford. Basically there's this assumption that Stanford is flush with cash, but just a few years ago they were looking at cutting multiple sports and there isn't great interest on campus in football. Didn't rule out ending up as an FCS team.
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Cautionary? Seems like they just hit the jackpot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I think the B10 and SEC schools need to make sure they know what they're getting themselves into. Seems like they're working really hard to just become semi-pro developmental leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
The majority of money in and around college athletics either comes from universities, states, school boosters, etc. Even these monster TV contracts are being driven by the fact there’s a bunch of eyeballs across the country that want to keep tabs on schools that are playing in their same division. The direction they're going is further stripping down the facade that these are just college kids playing ball while getting an education. Maybe I'm projecting, but I don't watch P5 football anymore and I know I'm not the only one. It's essentially the D league but the teams just get a school's name slapped on the jersey.
They might draw more viewers if the games were played in the afternoon on the west coast although then there are more games going on at the same time across the country.
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Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Did the 8 teams leaving the Pac-12 pay an exit fee? If so, all of those funds should be controlled by the remaining four to entice new members.
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Originally Posted by HerdBot
In what way did OSU and Wazzu hit the jackpot?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
The PAC just fell apart, and they are left dangling in the winds, looking for a lifeline.
Right now it looks like they are going from big money PAC to small money MWC.
Wazzu was already subsidized with $15m year from the school and student fees, and almost all of that goes to debt service for their stadium.
Now, they are going to take a huge hit to the revenue side too. Can they even afford to keep operating without more subsidies?
There will almost certainly be cuts to the OSU/WSU programs. They went from being "big time" to "small time" in FBS overnight.
No exit feesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
There are signs of that out there still.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Talk of re-examining what the new college playoff will look like is out there already with these dramatic changes.
It would be no surprise to see the Power conferences, however they do it, leave some/all of those G5 conferences behind…Quote:
Ross Dellenger
@RossDellenger
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Two CFP commissioners tell
@YahooSports
that the 6+6 expansion format should be re-examined (not surprising).
Starting in 2024, 6 highest-ranked conference champs get at-large spots & next 6 highest-ranked teams get at-large spots.
Perhaps the G5/Top Tier FCS is a stronger possibility today than last week…
Somebody needs to come in with some money for televising/streaming such a playoff and that would grease the skids…
Didn’t take the power conferences long to do the ol’ bait and switch, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
Well, you have a good point on the CFP, the top conferences are already talking about making the bids ALL at large, to cut the G5 out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
If there's a split, the money to setup a new Tier 2 structure and playoff is going to be the challenge.
P2 have been sucking all the money out of the system now, and everyone else is getting crumbs.
Maybe we need this split to hurry up and happen, so the remnants can go organize something else.
A second tier or streaming service isn’t going to want to compete with the major networks at those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
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Thats the challenge - all the top networks/time slots and money are being consolidated to the top couple conferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
They are concentrating the wealth rather than spreading it. Costs are also escalating to reach or remain in that tier.
Maybe the G5 end up in the same place as FCS, hard to say. The top tier wants separation.
Its going to be the same problem FCS has, lack of money and investment.
A streaming service isn't going to get any subscribers that wouldn't already watch the PAC over other games. It's just a slightly bigger version of CAA's FloSports deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
ESPN/FOX basically decided what the top level of CFB will look like
Odds are pretty good they’ll decide what the 2nd level looks like too, and I agree that it won't include most of the FCS
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Originally Posted by bruinbison