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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

NDSU & BOISE ST to PAC 10

let's make it happen

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Stanford, Arizona and Arizona state will go to the Big 10. That's 3 divisions 7 each. The remainder will probably go to the Mountain West or most of the Mountain West goes to the Pac 12 in search of a better TV deal. Worst case they merge. If were lucky we get a watered down Mountain West invite, which could be OK

4-4-2

4 to BXII (all other noise aside, best value for BXII is CU/UA/ASU/UU)
4 to B1G (and I'm now thinking 2 to B1G and 2 to ACC)
2 meet up with MWC under some name

Come 2026 the BXII goes after SDSUred and UConn.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I saw floated the idea that the BIG take Cal, Stanford and the Pacific Athletic Conference name. Go to 20 split east-west as Pac10 and Big10.

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So are they saying the only reason the current PAC-12 is not worth as much as the Big10 or Big12 is because of Oregon State and Washington State? Does those two schools really lower the media deal by that much

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

So are they saying the only reason the current PAC-12 is not worth as much as the Big10 or Big12 is because of Oregon State and Washington State? Does those two schools really lower the media deal by that much

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At 7:30 pm Pacific, 80% of the US population is at 9:30 pm or later.
The viewership isn't there; the ad revenue isn't there; the media deal isn't there.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Welp, here’s to hoping that Cal, Stanford, OSU and WSU have enough self-respect to try to pick up the pieces and build back the conference.

But not so much self-respect as to admit defeat and kill the conference.

Slim margins lol

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Or do they build back the conference for now and cash in the exit fees. Then eventually make a move out a a later date after they cash in. Cal and Stanford have no benefit in leaving to go independent at this time with that cash cow. Both will leave if a conference takes them otherwise they will rebuild the PAC

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

WSU and OSU would do whatever it takes, Cal and Stanford probably wouldn't have the stomach to add some of the schools that would need to be brought in.

Cal and Stanford did this to themselves, they could have raided the Big 12 years ago but no doubt they were in the group that thumbed their noses at the likes of some of the schools that would have neded to come with to bring in the big fish.

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The remaining 4 would have to admit the entire MWC in order to avoid the MWC exit fees with prospective members. Or could they use the PAC12 exit fees to pay for specific MWC members? Boise, SDSU, Colorado State, Air Force are probably the top MWC members they would want. Is WY and NM the only schools the PAC wouldn’t want at this point?

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

The remaining 4 would have to admit the entire MWC in order to avoid the MWC exit fees with prospective members. Or could they use the PAC12 exit fees to pay for specific MWC members? Boise, SDSU, Colorado State, Air Force are probably the top MWC members they would want. Is WY and NM the only schools the PAC wouldn’t want at this point?

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Unfortunately for OSU and WSU the PAC exit fee is $free.99

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Or do they build back the conference for now and cash in the exit fees.

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What exit fees? There are none in the PAC. The remaining assets are the NCAA credits.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

The remaining 4 would have to admit the entire MWC in order to avoid the MWC exit fees with prospective members. Or could they use the PAC12 exit fees to pay for specific MWC members? Boise, SDSU, Colorado State, Air Force are probably the top MWC members they would want. Is WY and NM the only schools the PAC wouldn’t want at this point?

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All 16 under either banner works the same. It would be the only FBS conference west of the Rockies. All those night game Mountain and Pacific time zone slots would be in play. It would not have autonomous status but it would have an excellent chance at being the best G5 and get a bigger tv deal..

Not a great conference but certainly workable.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

The remaining 4 would have to admit the entire MWC in order to avoid the MWC exit fees with prospective members. Or could they use the PAC12 exit fees to pay for specific MWC members? Boise, SDSU, Colorado State, Air Force are probably the top MWC members they would want. Is WY and NM the only schools the PAC wouldn’t want at this point?

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If Cal and Stanford were on board they could probably do a lot of things....They could add Hawaii, SDSU, CSU, Boise and UNLV. Perhaps try to pull in Gonzaga and St Mary's for Olympic sports.

They could even take a run at some AAC schools as well. How much heavy lifting to they want to do? They could just take their ball and go home with the indy route.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

The remaining 4 would have to admit the entire MWC in order to avoid the MWC exit fees with prospective members. Or could they use the PAC12 exit fees to pay for specific MWC members? Boise, SDSU, Colorado State, Air Force are probably the top MWC members they would want. Is WY and NM the only schools the PAC wouldn’t want at this point?

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I've pondered if the MWC might vote to dissolve and divest to "off-board" unwanted members in a future association with PAC remnants. The NCAA credits would be distributed and no exit fees.

And the two you mention I could see being "off-boarded". They'd become much more west/Cali.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

This is bad for us. The conference will disolve or merge with another

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The western US will have one FBS conference, which is completely ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

If Cal and Stanford were on board they could probably do a lot of things....They could add Hawaii, SDSU, CSU, Boise and UNLV. Perhaps try to pull in Gonzaga and St Mary's for Olympic sports.

They could even take a run at some AAC schools as well.

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They could do a lot of things but the very large exits fees put a severe damper on schools not wanting to dole out 34 million to go to what will be another G5 conference..Or G6 as it were.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

If Cal and Stanford were on board they could probably do a lot of things....They could add Hawaii, SDSU, CSU, Boise and UNLV. Perhaps try to pull in Gonzaga and St Mary's for Olympic sports.

They could even take a run at some AAC schools as well.

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The PAC10 could barely get $20M share per in media.
These new pondered consortiums would get half that at best and are nationwide travel.

Like I said before, they'd be the broke PAC-Mountain conference.

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Originally Posted by MWC

They could do a lot of things but the very large exits fees put a severe damper on schools not wanting to dole out 34 million to go to what will be another G5 conference..Or G6 as it were.

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Yup, $34M is a hurdle. That's why I see status quo, move in toto, or dissolution vote as more likely that 2 to 4 members departing.

Exit fees are a poison pill.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

The western US will have one FBS conference, which is completely ridiculous.

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Because all the power teams are joining “national” conferences like B1G and B12 now. It’s the G5/G6 that will try to be regional if they can to save money.

It’s estimated it will cost Oregon/Washington $10m a year in travel expenses in B1G. That means if they get a $30m offer, it’s worth $20m net revenue.

The lower conferences are being forced to stay regional because the math doesn’t work if your media deal is only $4m/year.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

This is bad for us. The conference will disolve or merge with another

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I hate this, but things aren’t looking great at the moment.

We needed a little bit of movement and shuffling, not conference implosion.
It’s starting to look like PAC may be done or become the MWC

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Unfortunately for OSU and WSU the PAC exit fee is $free.99

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To split a mediocre MW TV deal?

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

To split a mediocre MW TV deal?

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For all the other schools that are flippin the deuce and hitting the road this afternoon.

The comment was made that the two schools could reinvest the PAC exit fees of the schools leaving. Unfortunately there are none.

“We get stronger the longer we wait to negotiate a deal” really stands out as a fucking dumb thing to say, and say repeatedly. The PAC schools really knocked it out of the park with these last two commissioner hires.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

For all the other schools that are flippin the deuce and hitting the road this afternoon.

The comment was made that the two schools could reinvest the PAC exit fees of the schools leaving. Unfortunately there are none.

“We get stronger the longer we wait to negotiate a deal” really stands out as a fucking dumb thing to say, and say repeatedly. The PAC schools really knocked it out of the park with these last two commissioner hires.

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One semi interesting side note.

Gloria Nevarez was the Deputy Commissioner of the Pac 12 from 2010 to 2018. Maybe they should have promoted her.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

The comment was made that the two schools could reinvest the PAC exit fees of the schools leaving. Unfortunately there are none.

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From a monetary stand point (exit fees vs. NCAA basketball credits), the MWC holds the cards.
PAC currently has some non-monetary value but that is going to disappear real quick with any sort of revamped lineup they are able to put together.

Cowherd is worried this latest realignment will hurt FCS teams because there might not be as much room for non conference games. Many FCS teams rely on that FBS game money. We need to get out of the FCS asap before the ship sinks. He also was talking about a 16 or even 24 game playoff eventually. The G5 may or many not get many spots in it but we need to get to the next level otherwise we are going to be stuck with bottomfeeders

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Cowherd is worried this latest realignment will hurt FCS teams because there might not be as much room for non conference games. Many FCS teams rely on that FBS game money. We need to get out of the FCS asap before the ship sinks. He also was talking about a 16 or even 24 game playoff eventually. The G5 may or many not get many spots in it but we need to get to the next level otherwise we are going to be stuck with bottomfeeders

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Too late. Our arrogance with respect to CUSA and not seeing them as an available, if temporary, mechanism to become FBS has left us now biting our fingernails, waiting on 15 other teams and conferences to make decisions. Hell, even going as an independent a few years ago (probably not now) would have been better than FCS. But the way we've played our hand over the past few years...ultra conservative, ultra smug, and ultra silent...NDSU belongs in the FCS.

And then there were four ...
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/statu...tmlpid19055178

So Cali-Stan and WasSU/OrSU.

How long are the Silicon Valley smugs going to stay with the unwashed of Corvallis and Pullman? They were palatable when USC/UCLA/UW/UO were around to talk to at cocktail parties, but now?

Shit the bed yo.

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

Shit the bed yo.

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https://youtu.be/2xwUuSM06xQ?t=24

www.facebook.com/bisonation1

WAC or WWC aka the Wild West Conference. Pac Mwc NDSU/SDSU. I'm in

I'm dreaming of a resolution that has the MWC ending up with Col St, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming, Boise(is not a) St. and maybe 1 or 2 others with a need to expand. This would shift the conference closer to central timezone and NDSU would look like a great fit in that scenario.

And you're right I didn't think any of this through and simply looked at a map of the conference and cherry picked the best case scenario for the Bison :)

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

www.facebook.com/bisonation1

WAC or WWC aka the Wild West Conference. Pac Mwc NDSU/SDSU. I'm in

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Only 20 teams???? Is that enough?

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

Only 20 teams???? Is that enough?

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24 probably better i guess.

https://bigten.org/news/2023/8/4/general-big-ten.aspx
Washington and Oregon to BIG 10 is official. Doesn't say whether they're full or partial shares.

PAC is dead.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

24 probably better i guess.

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Still stuck in that wefest line eh? Know way you'd miss Brad pasely eh.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Too late. Our arrogance with respect to CUSA and not seeing them as an available, if temporary, mechanism to become FBS has left us now biting our fingernails, waiting on 15 other teams and conferences to make decisions. Hell, even going as an independent a few years ago (probably not now) would have been better than FCS. But the way we've played our hand over the past few years...ultra conservative, ultra smug, and ultra silent...NDSU belongs in the FCS.

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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^ these dumb@ss east coast stony brookers larson/phelps just want to ride out NDSU for another 10 years and retire back to the crap east coast

and we MIGHT of missed our opportunity!

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

Still stuck in that wefest line eh? Know way you'd miss Brad pasely eh.

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worst its ever been. cidiots and live nation in a field is a bad combo

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

worst its ever been. cidiots and live nation in a field is a bad combo

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Horrible experience we left.

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Originally Posted by taper

https://bigten.org/news/2023/8/4/general-big-ten.aspx
Washington and Oregon to BIG 10 is official. Doesn't say whether they're full or partial shares.

PAC is dead.

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Here's the hidden money statement:

With the schools’ admission, Oregon and Washington will also join the Big Ten Academic Alliance (BTAA), a consortium of world-class research institutions dedicated to advancing their academic missions.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Horrible experience we left.

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Wait until it starts raining tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Horrible experience we left.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Wait until it starts raining tomorrow.

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Live nation is a total joke. We paid for a super VIP experience to a concert through them and it had almost nothing they were advertising. Demanded our money back it was so bad.

Anyway back to NDSU going FBS!!!


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Originally Posted by oldmantutters

How about this for a conference?

Washington State
Oregon State
Boise State
Montana
Montana State
Wyoming
NDSU
SDSU
Colorado State

And fill in with 1-3 of the following:
UND
USD
Northern Colorado
Idaho
Idaho State
Portland State

If the PAC12 gets raided it could mean a huge shake up in the landscape of things.

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Bump from June 7...

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