I'm sure they are good at other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
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I'm sure they are good at other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
I am actually going to write a letter to ReCruiting with a copy to President and Provost. It seems we know negative things about NDSU recruiting but the proper people don't get feedback. A university is a terrible thing to waste.
Several years ago, when DB was President, I noticed surrounding universities just "killing it" as far as recruiting messages, ads and so forth. I wrote a comprehensive letter to him about what other universities are doing to attract students versus what NDSU is doing. I would THINK he would have been interested, given his plans for 18,000 students down the road (LOL). I don't know if the letter (with examples) made it to his desk but nothing changes. Makes you want to quit caring and let the inevitable happen. I honestly wonder why I care about a lot of things. :sigpalm:
Hey lefse lady ... what exactly is "the inevitable"? NDSU made some changes and turned it around. If you can't admit that then your just a troll, like the rest of the lil' old ladies on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
NDSU would have 18000 now if 1/3 of the enrollment was 100 % virtual
On the flip side, if 1/3 of your enrollment was on-line only, you'd be spamming the shit out of local kids too
Let's hear you talk some sports for a change, ok?
NDSU turned it around? I guess I don't share that optimism. And in today's world, there is nothing wrong with having 1/3 virtual.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Give my regards to your colleagues in Recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Many years were wasted with enrollment going downhill from about 2014 until the present. It takes NDSU about 10 years to figure out that on-line would have been okay? I could have come in there and whipped recruiting into shape in 10 minutes FLAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I never discuss sports here, don't feel confident in my analysis.
The Ride the coattails training?Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Doesn't stop anyone else. Ever read the gameday thread? Some posters here would bench Cam and put in Cole (even this year). Talk about wild ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
YEAH!!!! Talk some sports for a change in the NDSU enrollment page!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
NDSU doesn't want 1/3 virtual. Neither does Bismarck. And if most of them only last for 1 or 2 years ...Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
Try to be patient folks, that is assuming you really care (I know TAB does). DB left a major mess, and it is slowly but surely being turned around (and without turning into a virtual school). The goal this year was to turn it around, and they did. If you don't see a major jump next year, then you can go start sharpening your farming tools
spoken like a true trollQuote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
I don't want NDSU turning into a virtual school (as in the majority virtual), but I think to be competitive they need to diversify. Plenty of people in the workforce that are going back to school to further their education (getting it paid by their company). I know at my company many of us have gotten another degree...and I don't know of one that went to NDSU for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Crazy that UND managed to have the highest retention rate in the history of the NDUS system since it started being tracked in 1990 with all those folks quitting after 1-2 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
They are installing on-line degrees in engineering at NDSU right now. The prereqs just went live this year (intro physics) and are well subscribed. It is asynchronous, meaning both physical and virtual options are available for every student. Again, DB really screwed up on this front, and it baffles me how many alums still defend himQuote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
NDSU will be up this year, although not by much. Next year will be the real test, but based on what I'm hearing the fall cohort for 25 will be up 30% from this year. NDSU is installing targeted on-line programs, so the numbers will never be what they are GF. This is by design
Wrt the troll between our posts, all I know is what I hear through the grapevine from people who teach up there. We'll know the truth soon enough
My understanding is that UND hired Pearson, or a similar company, to develop their initial online programs, with the caveat that the system they put in place could be used for UND faculty to continue to develop similar programs. This did two things: It ensured consistency across courses and across programs in delivery style, and it put UND in a position to expand online programming using in-house faculty rather than farming everything out. This was very smart, on both counts, and they're clearly seeing good results. I agree that NDSU doesn't want 1/4 to 1/3 of their students fully online--we've always used online as a way to supplement face to face rather than replace it--but we've got to step it up, get back to where we were when we were the leader in this area.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
What about all the dorms and whatnot? I hope they stop building them as they won't need as much. Anecdotally, I do not see the volume of students out on campus like I used to. Maybe because of on-line. MY GOD, do they ever look up from their cell phones?
This fall looks pretty good to me--tons of students in the union, on the grounds, etc. With the two LLC's and the new Cater hall, we have plenty of really good dorm space for students. We could start looking at repurposing some of the older ones that don't have the amenities students want--could be good research space, especially with VPRC's push to expand funded research in the social/behavioral sciences and the humanities...Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
And that's big news....to quote:
"Researchers broke a 14 year-old record by earning $142.5M in external funding awards in FY24. Besides breaking that previous all-time high, they also surpassed FY23's awards total of $80.9M by 76%!
�� All NDSU colleges experienced growth in awards received.
�� The largest component of FY24 awards came from federal sources at $114.5 million or 79% of the total of all funding."
Hhmm ... lets see. 2024 - 14 = 2010Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
So if I am reading this correctly, we just beat the old earmarks of the Chapman era, but with competitive funding instead of pork. I would say that's pretty damn good
In response to your previous comment, so far the fall 25 cohort suggests that we are indeed turning it around, and with only modest growth in on-line programs
That is weird. My daughter in NC is getting multiple mailings from NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
Yes--the Chapman years saw a lot of growth in a lot of research areas, but federal funding was always much lower than it should have been, and much of it was earmarks and not competitive . With Fitzgerald in the VPRC office, things are really moving and in a good way.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
With regard to online, I don't think so much about programs as classes. In their heyday, when Lisa Nordick ran DCE and before Bresciani and Ingram shut her down, NDSU's strength was in offering a fairly large variety of online courses that students could take when they had a scheduling conflict--with another class, with work, etc. I think NDSU has to, first, make sure that's solid--reliable online offerings that help students with scheduling. Then add a limited number of targeted fully online programs. We have a few, but they're hidden--virtually no one knows about them. That's going to be our wheelhouse, I think, not hordes of students filling numerous online programs. That means our numbers will likely continue to be below UND's, but I think that's ok.
FWIW my high school senior and his classmates went to NDSU for a college fair today. I will ask who all was there. But thinking good portion of his class went. Shanley high, so local. He doesn't get much from UND, have seen a few things from Moorhead. More regional private schools send him literature.
We noticed the same exact thing with our twins this past year. We were shocked at the difference between the amount of mailings we received from many other schools compared to NDSU. If it wasn't for our ties to NDSU, I don't think either of our boys would have looked into NDSU much.Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
My daughter enrolled as freshman this fall. Drug her feet for housing so ended up in Weible. When we moved her in it sure looked like Weible and Reed-Johnson were full. Pavek is being renovated right now so more room will open up when that’s done. Weible definitely is nicer than it was 30 years ago. I assume all the forms are getting a facelift.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Well that sucks. From the previous comments I was hoping they were limiting mailings only to the Fargo/Moorhead/West Fargo area, and sending to everyone else. Now I'm back to my original idea that they are just falling short overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFTONBISON
Where is Sam Hill are the common sense people at NDSU Recruiting? You need to meet people where they are rather than expect potential students to seek out. It is so sad and Lurker, lay off, I just care. I don't know why but shouldn't we care about these wasted opportunities? If I were 18 again, and I received many mailings from a given university and one from NDSU, that MAY tip the scales in the other university's favor.
I probably don't have much time left on earth, relatively speaking, and I am going to use those years to speak up.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
NDSU does a horrible job of recruiting compared to other colleges. We just went through it and NDSU was very sub par (makes me puke a little but UND kicked them). My daughter is crazy organized with great grades (over 4.0) and very active so it was not a not qualified thing. She actually had a power point presentation for us of pros cons for colleges around the country. The best for contact with her was probably Arizona state. Literature, emails, letters, calls you name it they did it. Didn't end up going there though, went to the college that had a great recruiting event for her major, a whole Saturday of meeting with professors, them showing and talking about the different classes and equipment and tracks of classes offered. Multiple possible employers that were not just local but national had booths and talked about career options. Campus tours were very informative and not just fluff of, there is this building there is that building blah blah blah. She told them her goals and they talked with her and sold themselves on how they can get her there. Before my wife and daughter flew home she said this is where I want to go.
Compared that to a friend who's kid (crazy smart off the charts grades), parent went to NDSU, lots of connections to NDSU, was leaning towards going there. Went to a recruitment event and it was very impersonal. Hadn't decided what part of engineering field he wanted to go into so was looking for information. NDSU had a few tables set up for different engineering tracks, but they had to work to barely understand the people manning the tables and it was not informative or helpful. Went on tour of campus and it was a here is this building here is that building walk. Didn't break them up into areas of interest and the kid and family were never even shown anything remotely close to engineering related. They did show them a dorm, yep they took them to Weible of all the dorms on campus you show off Weible, cmon man. The kid does not attend NDSU.
Well this is all discouraging to read. I guess a positive note is that it wouldn't take much to improve ;).
Based on the comments here, I hit the pavement and pinged a few people. What I gather is that based on analytics, NDSU does very little physical mailing anymore. It’s all targeted on-line marketing. So, I encourage you to call/email/write the marketing department with your stories and concerns. My understanding is they just hired a new director, so this would be a good time to make yourselves heard, loud and clear
Sorry, I don’t mean to be an asshole, but Waters just gave us something incredibly positive to focus on. Remarkable and differentiating, really. No need to go negative all the time, imo, but maybe that's just me
Best thing I have heard from you. Let the Recruitment Dept know about this. BIG TIME. I plan to wait until the final enrollment numbers come in (soon) I am going to summarize my thoughts and very generally other thoughts I am hearing from the "street" send to Cook, Bertolini, and Recruitment and, hell, John Glover*. Not a harsh note but just some concerns and ways to do better. Between all of them, at least one of their secretaries will read it and maybe pass it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
*Hell, the less students, the less Alumni down the road. John cares about enrollment, too.
Is Marketing different than Student Recruitment? I assume it is. I will add Marketing then to my list. This is not the time to be timid, people.
From a local news site
MOORHEAD, MN –Local colleges are citing higher enrollment numbers going into the 2024 school year.
Concordia college saw a 28% increase in the number of incoming students joining classes in 2024 compared to the fall of 2023. The school says it is the largest increase since the fall of 2018.
NDSU is also citing higher enrollment numbers compared to previous years. According to in-house data, the college says they saw an 18% increase in new transfer students and a 6% increase in new graduate students. NDSU is also sharing a 5% increase in first-year student enrollments for the 2024/2025 school year.
MSUM also saw significant enrollment growth, according to numbers released by the college in late August. They cite a growth in new student enrollments by 8%, new transfer enrollments by 16%, new graduate enrollments by 18%, and new military-connected enrollments by 29%.
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Originally Posted by LefseBison
Note that there's nothing there about NDSU's total for the year, which I'm hearing is just barely above last year's....but at least we didn't go down any....
No real substantial increase. Why not just make as little effort as possible to make the statistics look favorable? It is just such a sad excuse. Lazy enrollment. I am one of those people who tries for 110% in my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Given how good MSUM and Concordia are doing with all the available tools, it's not terrible. Really competitive. But we need to keep making gainsQuote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
Yea, we cannot compete with a state that at least in the case of MSUM, their state backs them up. I assume Cobbers are like NDSU, we have to fund our own stuff. :(
Concordia got real competitive overnight with free tuition under 90k household. The key is you can be from ANY state That makes them better overnightQuote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
I don't think you know what free means. That tuition is getting covered somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
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