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... and that's giving it too much credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
I'd never heard an ill word about anyone or anything, much less a curse word, from a particular now retired NDSU department secretary. She was an awesomely nice lady.
She used the English equivalent of the French "merde" to describe PeopleSoft.
Because he’s being diplomatic and everything probably is on the table, just not in the doom-and-gloom way that you guys want to portray. Programs that bring in external funding and are on upward trajectories (eg FB, Business, Science/Math) will either be spared or asked to pull in still more to accommodate cuts. There will be more belt tightening as well, no doubt. Entities that bring in little money, have declining enrollments, and aren’t on in-demand career tracks are probably nervous about mergers and acquisitions. Programs like Engineering will be retooled. NDSU just built a $50M+ FB facility with donated funds so I think FB will be fineQuote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
What's going on with hockey up there? Seems to be slipping. Might need to refocus your efforts, especially if the "unthinkable" happens ;)
There's a reason "privately funded" was in every statement regarding your new facility. Now we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
PS - A week removed from beating #1 in their house is "slipping"?
I sure hope you are right, but note this is NOT how budget cuts have been done so far. Sicatoka's info is very accurate as I am very much on the inside at one college. That college is going to have a major, major problem if they don't get their shit together and begin shutting down unprofitable/low success programs. The cuts coming are that severe, after very, very severe cuts already made.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Did NDSU get a bunch of silly programs?Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I think every University collect them over the course of time. Reality is, if the program does not draw many students/fill a critical workforce need, they and all the faculty and staff associated need to go. This is a awful financial situation, and awful things needs to be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I'll add a third vote to Sic and TSF...NDSU is going to look very, very different a year from now....Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I agree, but can you be more specific?Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
To TSF: NDSU has a new president. Not to dis on the old one (I wish him all the best and I know you all love him), but he (i) refused to do anything other than across the board cuts (to avoid hard decisions) and (ii) doubled down on his initial vision(s) right up until the very end. He was not the kind of person to admit heading down the wrong path and suddenly change course. He "stuck to his guns", as they say. He was also replaced by Bismarck, probably a few years too late for my taste, but again, I truly do wish him the best. I don’t expect he’ll ever be back here
A perfect example is the statement he made to McFeely when he was leaving, the one that our sic friend likes to dredge up all the time: "Fargo might not big enough to support an FBS program". It was immediately obvious that this is nonsense, since NDSU draws huge financial support from across the region and country. But it justified his long-standing view of FBS, which is why he said it
Doubling down on recruitment/retention, enhancing distance/continuing ed (on-line), and redefining or eliminating programs are the way out of this. A big part of the issue is that ND has way too many colleges and universities, and I’d like to know what is being done to address this fundamental problem by Bismarck. My guess is nothing, as long it just hurts NDSU …
Valley St/NDSCS > NDSU
Mayville/Lake Region > und
Williston & Dickinson > Bismarck St
4 ND College's..... Boom Done.
NDSU
und
minot st
Bismarck St
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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Sure: Low enrollment programs will either be gone or consolidated with other programs. Departments will either be eliminated or consolidated with other departments. The difference between eliminated and consolidated will be level of outside grants/contracts, particular importance to the state, or centrality to R1 status.
Colleges will be consolidated with other colleges. Look for at least two fewer colleges.
New programs will (likely) be added, but only if projected enrollment numbers are extremely good.
My opinion, based on what I'm seeing, but I'd put money on all of those things. DB left a mess, to be totally honest. Cook is having to take drastic measures--that DB should have taken--to clean it up.
"Doubling down on recruitment/retention, enhancing distance/continuing ed (on-line)," is all a big part of it, but things are too far gone at this point...eliminations will have to occur. The number of colleges/universities is definitely an issue, but until the constitution is changed, nothing is going to happen. Pretty sure that even Chapo's ideas would require a constitutional change.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
UND went through this process in 2017. It was painful. But today, it's for the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
NDSU will find its way through this.
You're not wrong with your goal, but most of that requires amending the State constitution, Article VIII, Section 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I agree that DB left a mess in that he was not quick to begin the cutting process when enrollment started to drop pre covid. It appears enrollment peaked at 14,747 in 2014 and had already fallen 10plus % before covid hit. Fall 2022 enrollment is down 17% from the 2014 high. 12,242 most recent fall number.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Question- What does each student generate NDSU in tuition and state aid? $15-20k would be my guess Each student generates a profit to the university (use business versus government accounting), so a 2,500 student drop, leads to funds available to reinvest in the university.
It should be noted the growth in programs was begun by Dr. Chapman. In his effort to grow the enrollment, research and credibility of NDSU, many programs, both grad and PHD were added that may not have grown enough to self substain themselves. As a resulting this growth in programs was a future issue that DB inherited, but didn't realize the impact of the music slowing....
Whistling past the graveyard is not a solution but ... academic administrator gonna academic administrator*.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I have a strong suspicion that this lack of action is why the SBHE did not renew DB. The SBHE had to have seen this slow motion crash coming.
*Remember: UND's cuts came from an acting president (former governor Schafer), and a former corporate CFO and Congressman named president (Kennedy).
In terms of tuition, we've been using a figure of 100 students being roughly the equivalent of one million dollars. That's what our now annual cuts are based on. The formulas keep the state appropriation separate based on the view, I think, that those dollars fund more infrastructure than direct program costs. Estimates of profitability of a program doesn't include those revenues.Quote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
Growth did indeed begin with Chapman, and a lot of it was underfunded or never funded at all. A few of those programs were removed, but many are still here. DB definitely inherited them and their issues, but he really chose to look the other way and not address them. I get that alumni love him, especially sports minded alums, and he was wonderful in that regard. The capital campaign successes are nothing short of amazing. But he was at a loss in many ways as to what to do with academics and internal campus issues. If he'd hired a strong provost, got out of the way and let them manage the academic side, we probably could have avoided this.
Someone on campus is supposed to have said last month that we needed an Ed Schafer in the last few years to have fixed this....Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Athletic Department is getting a 4% cut or about 200 grand. Poorly attended programs to be cut. They want to focus more online in the future, which is smart. Its a strong national brand
https://www.inforum.com/news/fargo/n...illion-deficit
Slide 11, sub-bullet 3: "Athletics budget reductions"
NDSU Pres. Cook put this out to your campus earlier today.
$200k is not 4% of NDSU's Athletic budget. That budget is about $25 million. 4% of that is $1 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
boner alert!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
He forgot that NDSU athletics is 75% donor funded. I believe that's what the forum statesQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
That's the reason it is relatively unscathed
Forum's math seems to be right - und fan's math is wrong
Yep... The unspoken truth hits him across the face like a mushroom stamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Its 4% of the state funded portion bro. NDSU cant cut private donations :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
I read the Prez's email. I, for one, like what Cook and company are doing or attempting to do. One particular point was the elimination of 2 of the 7 colleges, shedding the associated department head or dean positions, therefore ridding themselves of the associated costs. Also, some of the courses of study are to be under new management (departments/colleges). I like the streamlining attempt and was probably long over due. Hope it's successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
It would've been good if you'd have stated that clearly in the initial post.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Hahahahaha, it is HerdBot's fault you made an accounting error? Hahahahaha. Seems like when RTO's wife slaps him and yells, "Look at what you made me do?!"Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
I know someone that may be part of the 34.5 positions cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Some of Chapo’s best work…Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...ty-budget-cuts
'The fact the athletic department generates around 73% of its annual revenue made a difference in the proposal, Cook said.
"To their credit, they’re incredibly entrepreneurial," he said. "Obviously their success is pretty much second to none when it comes to the space we compete in and because of that success we have great donors who care deeply."'
…
'Of NDSU’s athletic budget for 2022-23, student fees account for $1.3 million of revenue. Add in the institutional support and that’s almost $6.9 million from the university, or about 27% of the budget. In terms of the percentage compared to the overall budget, that’s the lowest in the 11-team Missouri Valley Football Conference and 10-team Summit League ...'
Truly impressive
I shall never again burn her supper. That lady throws a mean open-handed right.Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
Wait...Sicatoka...are you a 5'4" blonde from Dickinson?
Meanwhile, also going on ...
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...enured-facultyQuote:
North Dakota’s House majority leader has filed legislation that would let the presidents of Dickinson State, Bismarck State and perhaps other colleges review tenured faculty at any time—and fire them, with no employee power to appeal.
DB didn't believe in online and moved away from it. Not all take that stance.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ersity-phoenix
Purdue bought Kaplan.
Arizona bought Ashford.
Undeniably. < tip of cap >Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
But as CAS posits, is the 73% tapped out.
Conveniently dodged the question, RTO… I’d watch your back—er… ah, face—if I were you…Quote:
Originally Posted by runtheoption
I'm over 5'4" and not female. Blond is a different conversation. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Hmm… but he still may be from Dickinson… maybe we’ll never know…Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
I'm an east of US 83, but have to claim some Dickinson relatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Arkansas is supposedly looking at buying University of Phoenix....Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka