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Originally Posted by ec8ch
Rivals with all of MWC... they gonna hate us.. it's gonna be AWESOME to play the villain.
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ding ding ding!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ec8ch
Rivals with all of MWC... they gonna hate us.. it's gonna be AWESOME to play the villain.
It seems like you’re saying that kids who grow up with less money are not as capable of succeeding in college as kids who’s parent(s) earn more than some arbitrary amount? Perhaps you’d like to clarify your meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan
Nobody is going to hate you. You won't be a villain..You would be a business partner. I am not sure how many MW fans will trek all the way to Fargo to see a football game, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Yes! They will hate HIM!Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Surprised you weren't beat up more for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
And Brookings should be on that list ... or does their Taco John's still being open (all in FM closed) get them a pass.
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Not at all, in fact the same would be true and likely worse if the income bracket increased. Kids on the fence academically with more parental income would be even more likely to take a free shot. I am biased as hell because the state of MN treats the MN State system as like trash. We (MN) have over 5m people with one public research institution. The MN State system should have had a rural flagship university 40 years ago, but anything that impacts the UofM is off limits. Said differently this isn't income and achievement its about having a second in-state public university with a good academic profile. If you want a good laugh go to the US News profile for MSU, Mankato. Not sure what is more compelling for the flagship MN State system university the profile pic of a used Prius or the tie for 75th best regional university in the Midwest.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
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Originally Posted by MWC
why would you come we are SOLD OUT every gameQuote:
Originally Posted by MWC
whereas MWC stadiums NEED 2500-5000 NDSU fans to fill there's since they are almost always 50% empty
what did Chris Vaninni say on 1660am today. he was talking NDSU MWC expansion
That's a fib, Chapo.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
NDSU went over 18500 at home only twice in 2022 (SDSUblue, UND).
We all rolled our eyes. Being top 3 in all sports attendance for the Summit League is not something that's really that remarkable. None of those schools are going to move with NDSU to the FBS, no matter how much Taper talks about it. SDSU is a possibility but they likely feel that they have room to grow where they are. I would guess that if they were asked to move with NDSU to the MWC they would probably try to make that happen but they aren't going to push for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
By Monday "MWC expansion" may well mean adding WasSU and OrSU after the PAC collapsed due to a meager media deal offering.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
That’s an interesting perspective especially around here where one of the major problems is the profile of the 2nd in-state public institution. Curious that you seem to feel MN would be better off with something that looks more like ND Higher Ed structure and a number of people in ND think their state would be better served with a system that looks more like yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan
Also, I’m not sure what’s bad for society about people on the margin academically taking a shot.
BullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
He said he had no idea, and that nobody outside PAC leadership really knows, despite many claiming they do
But it's nice to know that you listen to Bison 1660
Embrace the future bro
It's coming with a vengeance ...
If only SDSU leaves in this go around, the MW does not really need another football school right away. However, they could use an olympic sports only team in the neighborhood. Not so much for basketball but for other sports not all MW schools sponsor. That helps with scheduling immensely. Were I king, I would add UC Davis.
1. AAU school..That would be an excellent feather in the cap for the MW and open all sorts of cross research with the conference members.
2. Fairly large athletic budget and sponsors a jillion sports.
3. Very easy and cheap travel to and from. Also balances out the PST and MST map a bit..
4. 30 plus thousand students
5. 250 thousand living alumni
6. Though Davis, along with the rest of Yolo County, doesn't have a whole lot of people (around 220 thousand), Davis is 11 miles or so from Sacramento and there are a whole bunch of folks in that metro area. Fairfield and Vallejo aren't far away either
7. Temperate weather, year round.
8. Lot's of really really really deep pockets in Northern California
9. Massive recruiting area that MW schools tap every year..
I would add them with a provision that if they meet certain facility upgrades, i.e expand the football stadium over the next 5 years, they would become all sports members..SJSU had to do some of this too. They have met most of the stuff required.
They would have to earn their keep first. Good for them and good for the MW.
To be sure, NDSU has an excellent football program but Davis checks far more boxes that make a bit more sense..IMHO.
Rip away..
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Originally Posted by MWC
No ripping here. I think that is a fair perspective on things. I think there are some boxes that NDSU checks that UC Davis doesn't but it will all come down to how much "weight" is given to which boxes and that is up to the MWC Presidents to determine. So much of what is stated here on Bisonville comes from the perspective that we just really want to compete against schools that invest in their football program at a similar level. We're hoping to find a spot that does that and quite frankly there are likely two conferences that are even (1.) remotely possible and (2.) a noticeable step up from our current situation. Those are the MWC and the AAC. Almost all NDSU fans are hoping that this shakeup gives us an opportunity but I also think most of us are realistic enough to understand that NDSU isn't a slam-dunk, no brainer for any conference. Here's to hoping that there is enough boxes checked by NDSU that they are given a chance.
Remember when the "FCS Forever" crowd scoffed at the notion that NDSU needs to move up now while there may be a door open? Well the NCAA is trying to make that door much harder to open for FCS schools going forward...
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/sta...27079640649729
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/6/28/...s-schools.aspx
https://herosports.com/fee-to-transi...increase-bzbz/
The NCAA is proposing raising the fee to move up to the FBS from the current $5,000 to $5 Million... Talk about inflation :eeek:
This is not approved yet, but it is reported that it would be effective immediately once approved. This apparently won't apply to schools already in the FBS transition process (like Sam Houston, JMU, etc. right now).
Who gets the 5 million bucks..?
Probably goes towards paying the NCAA's lawyer fees from all of the lawsuits they've been in.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
This is great discussion. I also think the bigger the shake ups, the better. I think NDSU becomes a lot more palatable if South Dakota SDSU is paired. Then, we less on an island in the middle of nowhere. I'm very glad that SDSU seems to be thinking the same as NDSU at this point; a joint moved served as well before, and I really think it would again. It would also be great to have one regional rival. Lord knows SDSU has earned that level of respect; still can't believe how much they have improved!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
#1 The "FCS Forever" crowd at NDSU is a made-up boogeyman for the "we needed to be FBS yesterday" crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strommer10
#2 If a one-time $5M fee is an issue you probably have no hope of sustaining an FBS level athletic budget - if that scares schools away from making the leap it's just less competition for NDSU. The fact it was $5k was a joke, that's like charging someone an extra nickel to upgrade to first class.
#3 NDSU's biggest hurdle, by far, towards moving to FBS remains finding a willing conference.
:nod::nod::nod::nod::nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Nothing is ever as bad (or good) as it seems at first blush. But I’d hesitate to say this is a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
I know the FCS forever thing has kinda become a joke because those guys won’t stop talking about UND for some strange reason, but there still is a portion of the actual fanbase that wants to stay FCS. And an even larger one that still says we need to wait and see what happens.
Well now we’ve seen what happens.
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Originally Posted by bisonaudit
ND Higher Ed structure and a number of people in ND think their state would be better served with a system that looks more like yours.
Also, I’m not sure what’s bad for society about people on the margin academically taking a shot.[/QUOTE]
I think the ND, SD, Iowa, Colorado system is far superior to the MN or WI system. Two quality options with different specializations in different settings is ideal. You can serve a larger pool of prospective students without having to go out of state. With a population of 5m in MN we should have a second high quality option. Dinkytown is not for everyone and the drop off between public option #1 and #2 here is just too great. Saying that as an alumni of MSU sucks but its the truth, I wouldn't send my kids there if they had better options. Not that I'm taking a census of west metro high schoolers, but my general perception is all 4 Dakota schools rank higher for prospective students then any non-UofM Minnesota public schools. Part is perception, but all four are probably just are better schools statically.
Back to topic, putting more students on the fence into our state schools is just going to exacerbate the perception problem when KPIs get impacted. Everyone deserves a shot, to your point, but we need to stratify our admission standards between institutions before we push a bunch of kids into the system. Worst case is that we water down the whole system and upper tier students, academically, that can leave, do leave. It would be a massive win for the Dakota schools because that's only place we have reciprocity.
I wouldn't say it's a good thing either but it's also not something to use as proof that NDSU should've tried to go FBS Independent or begged to get into a league like CUSA using any means possible. It's not going to make or break an NDSU to FBS move is all I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
NDSU Fatigue is Real. going FBS gives NDSU a shot in the arm. it is needed and I will say our future depends on it.
The $5m one time fee isn’t much of a hurdle imo. I mean, we just built a $50m indoor practice field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
The bigger challenge for some schools will be this one
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/sta...735744513?s=20
They are going to require 16 sports with 210 scholarships valued at least $6m per year. Not sure where we stand now with that, but assume it’s not a show stopper. For some schools it might be.
Last I recall we had around 190 scholarships and almost all of them paid by an endowment. Seems like a small gap to close , and probably just adding 22 football ones would do it.
I’d guess other FCS schools are not that close.
I have equal disinterest in both Mountain West and post-raid AAC. NDSU has more of a history with the Sunbelt.
Join the MAC or go Indy
From the day USC and UCLA left for the B1G I've been saying/expecting/predicting:Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
- 4 corners to BXII
- UW/UO to B1G
- Cali-Stan to B1G sometime later
- WasSU and OrSU to MWC
The wild card in that is SDSUred: Do they go PAC and help it survive.
Reading other forums, the PAC may end up with a streaming only deal. That would be death to the PAC.
So, you've confused my thoughts and opinions with someone on an FCC Class B license AM station that nary garners a preset button in any of my vehicles.
I can’t stand listening to Jack either. Glad he’s not our PxP guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
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Considering Netflix has more customers in the US than all cable TV providers in the nation combined, and they are smaller than Amazon. I would argue traditional cable is in thr same category as a flip phone or landlineQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Totally agree, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Not like the P12 is going to get paid $300M per year to be shown on Netflix for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Park the P12 on Netflix and charge even as little as $0.99 for a season subscription and they’ll get one tenth the eyeballs that the B12 is getting.
The Premier league and NBC learned this lesson with their Peacock app. Fans don’t go running to buy a subscription to a streaming service just to watch a single sports league.
As for why more people own a subscription to Netflix than cable, one costs $10 the other $50. Not exactly apples to apples
It's not "cable" but "linear" television, like you folks like to tout the Statewide ABC deal NDSU FB has.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Rumors are saying all streaming (Apple!) and under $30M per school. That'll implode the PAC.
I did offer him when you folks were looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
cmon 2 days left.. do something
like what for example? Your school isn't holding the cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
He was talking to Apple and their streaming deal with the PAC I'd assume. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
The NCAA's release on these proposals.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/6/28/...s-schools.aspx
Seems capacity of Alerus Center would fall out of concern should this pass.
About the "$6M in grants", here's 2022 data: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/f3039088
The $6M in grants seems odd to me. So, if NDSU fully funded the proposed scholarship requirements but didn't hit $6M because of the cost of attending their school they would somehow be in jeopardy?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
That makes no sense and if that was the case, why wouldn't NDSU just raise tuition/fees/etc. for athletes who are scholarship? They already have different rates depending on your field of education, why wouldn't they just jack rates for those on scholarship to cover the difference or come up with other "fees" that they could assess and "grant" to the athletes to meet the criteria?