A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

holy shit. tomato toamtoe. you want to be the CHAMPION of the highest rated conference

NDSU helps bring up rankings of the MWC

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They’re correlated but they are not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I will ask Ron if I can post his private email reply back to me on here.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

once again. I wish NDSU admin and all of you haters UNDERSTAND THAT .... THE HIGHEST RANKED G5 CONFERENCE GETS AN AUTOBID TO THE CFPlayoffs!!!

that is HUGE. MWC for example should WANT the BEST TEAM AVAILABLE to assist with that.

NDSU. period.

When NDSU gets this and we WIN THE MWC & GET THE AUTOBID..... AND ITS #12 NDSU vs #5 Michigan in Las Vegas in 1st round of CFP in 2027.....

I will personally walk up to each of you at the game and grab the beer out of your hand slam it and say TOLD YA SOOOO

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Haha holy shit NDSU does not elevate that conference especially after they lose SDSU. CUSA ya sure you betcha.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Haha holy shit NDSU does not elevate that conference especially after they lose SDSU. CUSA ya sure you betcha.

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we lost to sdsu with 7 players out, 4 of them NFL guys or was it 5

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Haha holy shit NDSU does not elevate that conference especially after they lose SDSU. CUSA ya sure you betcha.

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NDSU would lose to what MWC team? Not sure I can name one. I would agree though the current MWC is not the top G5 right now and is behind the AAC.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

NDSU would lose to what MWC team? Not sure I can name one. I would agree though the current MWC is not the top G5 right now and is behind the AAC.

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According to Sagarin, #36 Fresno St, #46 Air Force, #52 Boise St are better teams.
We wouldn't necessarily walk in and be the best team day 1, it would take work.

The other thing to realize is both the AAC and SBC were ranked higher last year, both by Sagarin, and the CFP rankings.
Winning the MWC would not guarantee a CFP bid, not even close. There would be a lot of work, and a bit of luck needed.

We would need to be content with bowl games for a while likely. I also think we would need to up our game more than some realize. The top G5's have athletic budgets in the $50m+ range. We would need to close that gap, and conference payout won't do it.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

According to Sagarin, #36 Fresno St, #46 Air Force, #52 Boise St are better teams.
We wouldn't necessarily walk in and be the best team day 1, it would take work.

The other thing to realize is both the AAC and SBC were ranked higher last year, both by Sagarin, and the CFP rankings.
Winning the MWC would not guarantee a CFP bid, not even close. There would be a lot of work, and a bit of luck needed.

We would need to be content with bowl games for a while likely.

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Let's


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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

we lost to sdsu with 7 players out, 4 of them NFL guys or was it 5

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Stig was running 12 man plays all day that game. Kev was strung out on meth barn goof balls, the universe was against us.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I will ask Ron if I can post his private email reply back to me on here.

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Top secret classified emails?!!!?!?!?!!?!?!!

Let's get some cokes in here!

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

NDSU would lose to what MWC team? Not sure I can name one. I would agree though the current MWC is not the top G5 right now and is behind the AAC.

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You could maybe say that for our 2013, 2018, 2019 and MAYBE 2021 teams. Last year’s team was not up to the standard and would’ve lost multiple games in the MW for sure.

Although for what it’s worth SDSU has only finished a season ahead of NDSU in Sagarin once since 2010, most times it wasnt even really close. Not that that’s the end-all be-all, but it’s also not like the loss of SDSU is going to cause some irreparable drop in football quality. Unless the MW were to try to replace with NMSU or UTEP.

The biggest problem for the MW losing SDSU is the basketball, recruiting and TV access to so cal.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

NDSU would lose to what MWC team? Not sure I can name one. I would agree though the current MWC is not the top G5 right now and is behind the AAC.

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This makes me wonder why you would want to have anything to do with the MW. You don't respect MW football (you can't think of one football team that could beat you) If the MW is full of stiffs as you suggest, they won't be a springboard for you to reach bigger and greater heights.

Why exactly would the MW want to add a school who finds your future conference mates beneath you.?

I believe participants who make the CFP earn 6 million bucks for their conference. That would be split 12 ways. 500 grand is nothing to sneeze at, but the MW earned 16 million bucks in this past NCAA tourney. Add that to all the dough they have earned over the last 5 years in the tourney. That is far more lucrative than a once decade trip to the CFP.

The MW is a basketball conference that plays football. I know you want FBS and that is all well and good but you have exactly the opposite philosophy. Football, football, football. What is in it for the MW and what is in it for you?

I have no idea what will happen. You may be invited to the MW this week, in 2 years, or never. Who knows? I really don't understand the appeal this has for you. I am not sure it makes sense for anybody.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

You could maybe say that for our 2013, 2018, 2019 and MAYBE 2021 teams. Last year’s team was not up to the standard and would’ve lost multiple games in the MW for sure.

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I still think we would be a good, above average MWC team on day 1. We would likely make a bowl.

BUT ... I'm pretty confident the top 3 MWC teams wouldn't have lost to Arizona last year. And a full FBS season tends to cause more injuries and require going further down the roster than we did for that game. A few folks have lost touch with reality after we've dominated fcs so long.

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Originally Posted by MWC

This makes me wonder why you would want to have anything to do with the MW. You don't respect MW football (you can't think of one football team that could beat you) If the MW is full of stiffs as you suggest, they won't be a springboard for you to reach bigger and greater heights.

Why exactly would the MW want to add a school who finds your future conference mates beneath you.?

I believe participants who make the CFP earn 6 million bucks for their conference. That would be split 12 ways. 500 grand is nothing to sneeze at, but the MW earned 16 million bucks in this past NCAA tourney. Add that to all the dough they have earned over the last 5 years in the tourney. That is far more lucrative than a once decade trip to the CFP.

The MW is a basketball conference that plays football. I know you want FBS and that is all well and good but you have exactly the opposite philosophy. Football, football, football. What is in it for the MW and what is in it for you?

I have no idea what will happen. You may be invited to the MW this week, in 2 years, or never. Who knows? I really don't understand the appeal this has for you. I am not sure it makes sense for anybody.

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I think it’s hard for many (myself probably first on this list) to see basketball really driving the bus with realignment for any conference. We all watched the Big East which was jam packed with blue blood basketball schools and terrible football schools get ripped apart for football money. Maybe we’re fools for thinking so, but idk. Does basketball really drive the bus financially for the majority of athletic departments in the MW? I honestly have no idea and don’t really know how to quantify it, maybe on head coaching salaries?

As far as the sweet talking some bison fans do about the G5 conferences, I think a lot of that comes from frustration of watching the teams I listed above never get a shot at an FBS schedule and get labeled “just FCS”. There isn’t an FBS school out there that will put us on the schedule anymore (as they shouldn’t) and that leads some equating schools to being scared.

You’ve always had a valid point about NDSU’s priority being football and not basketball and how that fits with the rest of the MW. For whatever reason our leadership seems content with running a decent low-major basketball program and not really pushing the envelope like it does in football. It’s not for lack of care in the fan base, we’d love to see great basketball again.

The MW still values football. They are more successful and well recognized for basketball. You having a very good football program would be helpful but there is so much more involved in all of this.

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Originally Posted by MWC

The MW still values football. They are more successful and well recognized for basketball. You having a very good football program would be helpful but there is so much more involved in all of this.

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Sure, and if there were to be conversations about NDSU fits in the Mountain West it’s, the football program is plug and play day 1, the basketball program has had success in the summit but definitely has room to grow from being very successful in a smaller conference.

FWIW, there are many who are more excited about what the MW would do for our non-football sports.

That seems to be the rub. Is an all sports invitation worth the extra cost and travel to the current members to get NDSU football? Losing SDSU hurts all over. Easy travel, big market, excellence in many sports etc etc...Adding NDSU would not fill that empty. That is no diss on your school or your programs but it is a major issue. I do think the default mode is to not add anybody but who knows..SDSU casts a big shadow.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Top secret classified emails?!!!?!?!?!!?!?!!

Let's get some cokes in here!

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well i will see if he will declassify them, I'm sure that's easy ...

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Originally Posted by MWC

This makes me wonder why you would want to have anything to do with the MW. You don't respect MW football (you can't think of one football team that could beat you) If the MW is full of stiffs as you suggest, they won't be a springboard for you to reach bigger and greater heights.

Why exactly would the MW want to add a school who finds your future conference mates beneath you.?

I believe participants who make the CFP earn 6 million bucks for their conference. That would be split 12 ways. 500 grand is nothing to sneeze at, but the MW earned 16 million bucks in this past NCAA tourney. Add that to all the dough they have earned over the last 5 years in the tourney. That is far more lucrative than a once decade trip to the CFP.

The MW is a basketball conference that plays football. I know you want FBS and that is all well and good but you have exactly the opposite philosophy. Football, football, football. What is in it for the MW and what is in it for you?

I have no idea what will happen. You may be invited to the MW this week, in 2 years, or never. Who knows? I really don't understand the appeal this has for you. I am not sure it makes sense for anybody.

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Just invite us in. We promise to play nice.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

well i will see if he will declassify them, I'm sure that's easy ...

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Is he still president?

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

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The biggest problem for the MW losing SDSU is the basketball, recruiting and TV access to so cal.

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Hope they don't follow the AAC "markets" philosophy and chase Cali or Texas teams for backfill.
That's why Charlotte got added over some better G5 teams to AAC in the last round, it was a media market play.

Also hope our basketball doesn't cause problems. We really need to be investing more there.

MWC is legit power conference in basketball. Would love to see us be competitive like that.
I'm also sure that's part of why P5 conferences want SDSU. It's their market and basketball. If it was only about Football, they'd be chasing Fresno and Boise instead.

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Originally Posted by MWC

That seems to be the rub. Is an all sports invitation worth the extra cost and travel to the current members to get NDSU football? Losing SDSU hurts all over. Easy travel, big market, excellence in many sports etc etc...Adding NDSU would not fill that empty. That is no diss on your school or your programs but it is a major issue. I do think the default mode is to not add anybody but who knows..SDSU casts a big shadow.

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Don’t disagree. but let’s be honest there’s no one else in the MW that can hold a candle to SDSU either, that’s why it’s SDSU leaving and no one else unless Armageddon happens. The MW is only adding NDSU in a “hey we need someone and we think they’re the best option” scenario - which everyone here understands. Hell that’s the only reason why SDSU is getting taken in the first place, tbe P12 may not like it but it’s a survival move. I’m sure SDSU doesn’t care either way.

I’m biased but I think NDSU would really excel in the MW in the long term. We are wasting away potential in a crap conference in the Olympic sports. Being in the MW would really help recruiting players and coaches that we currently are sharing with other low-major teams. Our fan base would really show up if we were to play Nevada, UNLV, etc. instead of UMKC, Omaha and St Thomas.

IMO it is a very similar situation to when we were sitting in D2. It was not a good fit and we weren’t able to achieve our full potential due to lack of competition and resources.

NDSU should want ALL SPORTS for the MWC.

this basketball program SURELY needs new coach and a new philosphy to attract more fans/better recruits.

Track team has been tops for 10+ years, they need an upgrade to a better conference

Baseball/Softball/Volleyball would really be able to up their games as well!

I am neither for or opposed to adding NDSU. Same goes for anybody they might add..I am far more in favor of not adding anyone. I don't think the MW is in desperation mode or needs to add anybody to survive. I guess it is possible the Pac 10 implodes and that changes everything. That seems unlikely to me, though.

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Originally Posted by MWC

This makes me wonder why you would want to have anything to do with the MW. You don't respect MW football (you can't think of one football team that could beat you) If the MW is full of stiffs as you suggest, they won't be a springboard for you to reach bigger and greater heights.

Why exactly would the MW want to add a school who finds your future conference mates beneath you.?

I believe participants who make the CFP earn 6 million bucks for their conference. That would be split 12 ways. 500 grand is nothing to sneeze at, but the MW earned 16 million bucks in this past NCAA tourney. Add that to all the dough they have earned over the last 5 years in the tourney. That is far more lucrative than a once decade trip to the CFP.

The MW is a basketball conference that plays football. I know you want FBS and that is all well and good but you have exactly the opposite philosophy. Football, football, football. What is in it for the MW and what is in it for you?

I have no idea what will happen. You may be invited to the MW this week, in 2 years, or never. Who knows? I really don't understand the appeal this has for you. I am not sure it makes sense for anybody.

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You cant spit out facts like that here. In one ear out the other...

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Originally Posted by MWC

I am neither for or opposed to adding NDSU. Same goes for anybody they might add..I am far more in favor of not adding anyone. I don't think the MW is in desperation mode or needs to add anybody to survive. I guess it is possible the Pac 10 implodes and that changes everything. That seems unlikely to me, though.

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Again, don’t disagree. If I were in your shoes I’d be saying the same thing you are. And if you were in mine I’m confident you’d be saying the same thing I am.

The reality is no G5 conference is calling NDSU unless they’re in a bit of spot. So we’re in the weird spot of cheering for the MW to get to the point of needing someone without getting gutted.

Fun times.

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Originally Posted by MWC

A couple things here..The guy who wrote the piece is fairly new to the Statesman and Boise. He came from being a beat writer for James Madison. He does not represent the university.

Also, Boise doesn't decide anything as far as membership goes. There is an executive committee of 4 or 5 presidents who make recommendations to all the presidents. Then everybody votes.

The presidents, the commissioner and athletic directors already know what the plan will be should schools leave the conference. They are keeping it close to the vest for now but there has been vetting going on and lots of discussions with the TV people.

The tv deal can be reopened if schools leave and it might well happen. However, the MW will still have PST and MST times slots so the deal is likely to remain intact, as is, until the summer or 2026.

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Listen, this thread title is ridiculous and 99% of Bisonville knows it. And, of course, if I'm running a conference, I'd want conference invites to be unanimous.

Hell, when NDSU first went DI, the Big Sky turned us down (and South Dakota State.) Then, a couple years later, the Big Sky picked up South Dakota and North Dakota. That's like saying, "No thanks Ohio State and Penn State, we'd rather have Ohio and UPenn (in a parallel universe where UPenn is average academically.) And the Sky got what they deserved - NDSU has gone 8-1 in the postseason against the Big Sky's best with an average score of 41-18 with NDSU's sole loss being in OT, on their field, to the Big Sky's last national champion. The point is that we know that an MWC invitation is unlikely; even I, a huge Bison homer, realize that NDSU has to do a lot of work to get up to Colorado State's level, for example.

The one thing I'd say in NDSU's defense with the TV people is that, yes, Fargo-Moorhead is only a 250,000-person media market, but, unlike the typical G5 school that is the third-most popular college program in the city or town they are named for, NDSU the statewide #1 brand with plenty of interest in Minnesota, including Minneapolis.

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Originally Posted by tony

Listen, this thread title is ridiculous and 99% of Bisonville knows it. And, of course, if I'm running a conference, I'd want conference invites to be unanimous.

Hell, when NDSU first went DI, the Big Sky turned us down (and South Dakota State.) Then, a couple years later, the Big Sky picked up South Dakota and North Dakota. That's like saying, "No thanks Ohio State and Penn State, we'd rather have Ohio and UPenn (in a parallel universe where UPenn is average academically.) And the Sky got what they deserved - NDSU has gone 8-1 in the postseason against the Big Sky's best with an average score of 41-18 with NDSU's sole loss being in OT, on their field, to the Big Sky's last national champion. The point is that we know that an MWC invitation is unlikely; even I, a huge Bison homer, realize that NDSU has to do a lot of work to get up to Colorado State's level, for example.

The one thing I'd say in NDSU's defense with the TV people is that, yes, Fargo-Moorhead is only a 250,000-person media market, but, unlike the typical G5 school that is the third-most popular college program in the city or town they are named for, NDSU the statewide #1 brand with plenty of interest in Minnesota, including Minneapolis.

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Some would say the Flagship!

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I still think we would be a good, above average MWC team on day 1. We would likely make a bowl.

BUT ... I'm pretty confident the top 3 MWC teams wouldn't have lost to Arizona last year. And a full FBS season tends to cause more injuries and require going further down the roster than we did for that game. A few folks have lost touch with reality after we've dominated fcs so long.

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FBS also comes with 22 more full scholly kids.

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

Actually probably double handley typing eh!

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At least he has both hands on the keyboard. I can only imagine what the other hand might be doing most of the time.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I think it’s hard for many (myself probably first on this list) to see basketball really driving the bus with realignment for any conference. We all watched the Big East which was jam packed with blue blood basketball schools and terrible football schools get ripped apart for football money. Maybe we’re fools for thinking so, but idk. Does basketball really drive the bus financially for the majority of athletic departments in the MW? I honestly have no idea and don’t really know how to quantify it, maybe on head coaching salaries?

As far as the sweet talking some bison fans do about the G5 conferences, I think a lot of that comes from frustration of watching the teams I listed above never get a shot at an FBS schedule and get labeled “just FCS”. There isn’t an FBS school out there that will put us on the schedule anymore (as they shouldn’t) and that leads some equating schools to being scared.

You’ve always had a valid point about NDSU’s priority being football and not basketball and how that fits with the rest of the MW. For whatever reason our leadership seems content with running a decent low-major basketball program and not really pushing the envelope like it does in football. It’s not for lack of care in the fan base, we’d love to see great basketball again.

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San Diego State and the run to the finals will have a huge impact on MWC money. Granted a one off run, but more dollars than the bowls generate in football.

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Originally Posted by tony

The one thing I'd say in NDSU's defense with the TV people is that, yes, Fargo-Moorhead is only a 250,000-person media market, but, unlike the typical G5 school that is the third-most popular college program in the city or town they are named for, NDSU the statewide #1 brand with plenty of interest in Minnesota, including Minneapolis.

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Quoted for truth.

True, because it was started by the village idiot ...

But you should try to hide your FCS homerism a bit better, Tony
CSU is PAC material. It's the wrong benchmark. Check out UTEP and you’ll change your tune
I'm not saying an invite is coming, but calling it 'unlikely' is inaccurate, at best
and you'll get used to FBS, just like you got used to FCS

Flagship indeed ...

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Originally Posted by tony

Listen, this thread title is ridiculous and 99% of Bisonville knows it. And, of course, if I'm running a conference, I'd want conference invites to be unanimous.

Hell, when NDSU first went DI, the Big Sky turned us down (and South Dakota State.) Then, a couple years later, the Big Sky picked up South Dakota and North Dakota. That's like saying, "No thanks Ohio State and Penn State, we'd rather have Ohio and UPenn (in a parallel universe where UPenn is average academically.) And the Sky got what they deserved - NDSU has gone 8-1 in the postseason against the Big Sky's best with an average score of 41-18 with NDSU's sole loss being in OT, on their field, to the Big Sky's last national champion. The point is that we know that an MWC invitation is unlikely; even I, a huge Bison homer, realize that NDSU has to do a lot of work to get up to Colorado State's level, for example.

The one thing I'd say in NDSU's defense with the TV people is that, yes, Fargo-Moorhead is only a 250,000-person media market, but, unlike the typical G5 school that is the third-most popular college program in the city or town they are named for, NDSU the statewide #1 brand with plenty of interest in Minnesota, including Minneapolis.

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I could see Boise quickly becoming a UNI like rival.

Just without the criminal element.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

True, because it was started by the village idiot ...

But you should try to hide your FCS homerism a bit better, Tony
CSU is PAC material. It's the wrong benchmark. Check out UTEP and you’ll change your tune
I'm not saying an invite is coming, but calling it 'unlikely' is inaccurate, at best
and you'll get used to FBS, just like you got used to FCS

Flagship indeed ...

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Well, the thread title is ridiculous and everybody must know it. Idaho media guys don't speak for Boise State any more than Fargo Forum writers speak for NDSU.

As for FBS, I'm more with NDSU's leadership: The AAC seems like a better fit for NDSU's budget and time zone. That said, NDSU is a beggar in this, not a chooser.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

I could see Boise quickly becoming a UNI like rival.

Just without the criminal element.

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Because they all transfer to Baylor?

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Originally Posted by tony

Well, the thread title is ridiculous and everybody must know it. Idaho media guys don't speak for Boise State any more than Fargo Forum writers speak for NDSU.

As for FBS, I'm more with NDSU's leadership: The AAC seems like a better fit for NDSU's budget and time zone. That said, NDSU is a beggar in this, not a chooser.

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100 % on both
I guess we'll see
Culturally, MWC is a better fit for the state. Travel wise and recruiting wise, not as much
I'd take FB-only in a heart beat, but I won't be the one pulling the trigger on this
And yes, these are just op eds

SDSU is the only Dakota school we should try to stick with. There's nothing at all to be gained by being tethered to und, at least for us
Stone-cold truth there bros

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Originally Posted by kab1one

San Diego State and the run to the finals will have a huge impact on MWC money. Granted a one off run, but more dollars than the bowls generate in football.

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It’s about $300k per school per year for 6 years. Definitely not insignificant.

The media deal pays out $4M per year per school. And the conference cares enough about football to make special considerations in their TV deal for Boise, both paying them more (as they have for over a decade now) and selectively granting their home games to Fox.

The MW certainly puts a lot into basketball, but to say that it’s a basketball conference that happens to play football is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

The reason why NDSU fans always point to football is that it’s our major separator from UTEP and New Mexico State. Even then, our basketball has been better than UTEP’s in the last decade and NMSU basketball program is in major turmoil right now. Historically NMSU has had a better basketball program by a decent margin but right now it’s toxic. And I don’t know if that makes up for the substantial gap between us and them in football.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

holy shit. tomato toamtoe. you want to be the CHAMPION of the highest rated conference

NDSU helps bring up rankings of the MWC

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Two distinct things. Not that your brain can comprehend that

when the real SDSU leaves in 3 days, the $10 Million conference BIG DANCE money SDSU got for the title game stays with the MWC!

NDSU would be in a great spot if we can get into the MWC here in the next 3 days simultaneously while SDSU goes.

Boise St fans ARE on our side... that's why I started that other thread, buts its cool to combine.

NDSU PROS to MWC:

Boise, Wyoming, Colo State, Air Force, UNLV & San Jose (NDSU has instant Rivalries with the 1st 3... Air Force is in Colo-easy connections via Denver and UNLV gangster know that NDSU will bring fans to UNLV and Tim Miles at San Jose advocates for us there)

NDSU Cons to mwc:

Fresno, Nevada, NMSU, Utah State Hawaii

6-5 easy vote for NDSU to join. Lets go Gloria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

when the real SDSU leaves in 3 days, the $10 Million conference BIG DANCE money SDSU got for the title game stays with the MWC!

NDSU would be in a great spot if we can get into the MWC here in the next 3 days simultaneously while SDSU goes.

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Why would the remaining MWC schools share that $$ with NDSU?


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Originally Posted by NDSU92

It’s about $300k per school per year for 6 years. Definitely not insignificant.

The media deal pays out $4M per year per school. And the conference cares enough about football to make special considerations in their TV deal for Boise, both paying them more (as they have for over a decade now) and selectively granting their home games to Fox.

The MW certainly puts a lot into basketball, but to say that it’s a basketball conference that happens to play football is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

The reason why NDSU fans always point to football is that it’s our major separator from UTEP and New Mexico State. Even then, our basketball has been better than UTEP’s in the last decade and NMSU basketball program is in major turmoil right now. Historically NMSU has had a better basketball program by a decent margin but right now it’s toxic. And I don’t know if that makes up for the substantial gap between us and them in football.

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Nobody anywhere has much respect for MW football but they do respect the basketball. This is a lower level minor football conference that puts 4 or 5 basketball teams in the dance. This has little or nothing to do with money or what finances the conference. The MW is 'meh' in football but really good in basketball. This is by design.

I do not think, your admittedly fine football program changes the perception about MW football at all. Coming aboard a conference who's only notoriety, such as it is, comes from basketball, in no way enhances your chances to be recognized as a national football program.

As I have said before (ad nauseum, I confess) the only reason joining the MW makes any sense for you is if you really, really, really want to play these schools. This is not you ticket to the high life.