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I don't think it would take this huge amount of money for NDSU to move into the MAC and be highly competitive. I don't even think that we would need a new stadium.

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

So wtf's the big deal of going up NOW if youre fine with playing the same teams post BCS conference shake up?

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Because the finances will be entirely different with the big boys gone and taking a large chunk of the money that is currently being spread over the entire BCS/FBS.

FBS smalls will be looking for more teams to fill the void allowing teams such as NDSU MtSU UMt SDSU(?) USD (?) UNH and do I dare say UN_ to have a shot at joining them but to fill that void the FBS schools may need to make some concessions since they will no longer be able to financially support what current model they have.

Along with they probably would institute a playoff perhaps? Since they're the ones trying to get it pushed through now.

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

Because look at how those great seeded teams did under NDSU.

Do you think that will be the norm? Nobody stays on top forever. Look at Texas and LSU and FLA. Remember when they were killing everyone?

My talking points are pretty clear. Its money driven now. Any FBS conferences is beneficiary to the MVFC. TV contracts, bowl game payouts, bigger stadium. All help NDSU grow.

Dont bring up bowl game payouts as teams LOSE money in those ventures.

the same guys saying the bowl games suck (they do, i know), arent taking the fact that the same division NDSU is in, has games @ a schools home stadium, that are half full. Its just D2 all over again and we're wasting our time here.

Seems you are basing a lot of you angst towards the fact that many teams dont fill their stadiums. Is that a reason for NDSU to move up?

Whats the cap PL? Are you gonna be happy with 7 of the next 10 championships with the championship banner now touching the field?

If the division is competitive why wouldnt I want that?

Itd be just getting lame with the program getting a negative perception that it isn't open enough to join the big boys.

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I think that is a perception that you are try to project when in fact I think its a misguided vision.

Now let me restate what has been posted before but for some reason you move up guys cant comprehend some simple facts.

GT has stated that NDSU is waiting for the BIGs to get settled in what they are going to do. When that happens NDSU will NEED to be ready to make a move depending on the circumstances.

To make a move NDSU has to be INVITED to join a FBS conference. You do understand this right?

Next is FUNDING. How will this move be FUNDED now and in the future? Hint snapping your fingers wont make it happen

Then you have the issue of our stadium. HOW will that be FUNDED?

Many many here arent necessarily opposed to moving up. Its just that those many many people understand the pitfalls and logistics, funding involved to making the move and bring those points up. While your side is pissing and moaning about no people in the opponents stand and youre bored with the competition as a reason to move up. Which really doesnt hold much water in a business sense does it.

Now of course all of this is moot IF you are wanting to move up now. In that case whos going to invite us and where is the money going to come from right now?

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I don't think it would take this huge amount of money for NDSU to move into the MAC and be highly competitive. I don't even think that we would need a new stadium.

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The MAC would have to invite NDSU. Fargo is far outside the MAC footprint. What would the MAC gain? What would NDSU gain?

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

So wtf's the big deal of going up NOW if youre fine with playing the same teams post BCS conference shake up?

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Whos going to invite us?

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Originally Posted by Kermit

The MAC would have to invite NDSU. Fargo is far outside the MAC footprint. What would the MAC gain? What would NDSU gain?

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I think it would only work from a football only perspective, the MAC has had a history of inviting schools for football only. I guess for the MAC it would give them a strong football program, one that would look impressive on TV and could help bring up the conference's power rating.

For NDSU it perhaps our only way into the FBS and it is a conference that we could become competitive in quickly.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I think it would only work from a football only perspective, the MAC has had a history of inviting schools for football only. I guess for the MAC it would give them a strong football program, one that would look impressive on TV and could help bring up the conference's power rating.

For NDSU it perhaps our only way into the FBS and it is a conference that we could become competitive in quickly.

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Does it really help NDSU overall to buy into a conference that sells out to ESPN to get their games on Wednesday's?? I think this would be a program killer or at least a huge step backwards for NDSU.

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Originally Posted by stevdock

Does it really help NDSU overall to buy into a conference that sells out to ESPN to get their games on Wednesday's?? I think this would be a program killer or at least a huge step backwards for NDSU.

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Well at least we would be in a conference that actually has its conference games televised...instead of ESPN3 being the best we can get.

I am not exactly happy with our current situation. The MVFC needs to step it up.

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Originally Posted by stevdock

Does it really help NDSU overall to buy into a conference that sells out to ESPN to get their games on Wednesday's?? I think this would be a program killer or at least a huge step backwards for NDSU.

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gimme a break there was 10 midweek games western michigan and 5 others played 1 game, so I dont see where people think ndsu will have 3 of them they would have 1 a year and 1 every other year at home on a Thursday maybe fbs is a must this is extremely boring indiana state had 2000 people at their place with 2 trucks parked on the sidelines lets become real men

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Well at least we would be in a conference that actually has its conference games televised...instead of ESPN3 being the best we can get.

I am not exactly happy with our current situation. The MVFC needs to step it up.

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espn3 is kind of lame but honestly with the expansion of it and smart TV's... it may be a pretty good deal within a few years. You'll probably have an ESPN3 icon on your tv by default.

I agree the mac espn primetime Wed night isn't a killer. I checked out Northern Illinois schedule and they play a 12 game regular season (every year) and 3 total games were on Wed Night primetime ESPN2. Of those 3 games, 2 were home games. Then you get the Mac championship in Detroit (Ford Field) in front of a 1/3 empty stadium. (it is on a saturday) But they also went to the Orange Bowl last year and this year it was in Sunny San Diego!

Substituting a few home playoff games for Bowls or mac championship would be ok in my book. And while their early season tv wasn't as good as ours, they made their way on ESPN 6 times. And last time I checked we were trending on twitter during the CC espn game.