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Include UND and USD to go the Sun Belt route, or go without to go the CUSA route. How has the strategy of each conference worked out over the last decade or so? There's something to be said for conferences that have tighter geographic footprints and rivalries. Kind of a stretch to say UND brings nothing to the table when you look at the current options..Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Man you guys do all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make yourselves relevant. I mean I appreciate the energy but the ham sandwich I had for lunch today had about as much chance of going FBS as UND. Apparently not only does UND have the money to go FBS (they don’t) they will be the glue that holds the conference together.Quote:
Originally Posted by nodak651
Thanks for the laugh
You'd be well advised to not bring up finances after having to get a direct line item $4,800,000.00 bailout from this Legislature. And even that couldn't stave off all the academic cuts at NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
See page 5: https://www.ndlegis.gov/assembly/68-...0232-05000.pdf
NO one wants your dumass athletic dept.
I will say yes they stay, but only if the conference burns down slowly and they get to drive all the economics of the new PAC XX conference. If the whole thing implodes and all the exit fees are wiped, they are not going to the MWC.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Shortfall is on the academic side of the house. Thankfully our athletic department is much more self sufficient than say other schools within 100 miles of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
It still is North Dakota State University, yes? At least you're not neglecting football for education. (tip of cap to Groucho Marx in "Horse Feathers".)Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
So your expectation is that NDSU football subsidizes the academic part of the university? Hmm what was that I was saying about you guys and your mental gymnastics?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
We have established about ten times now that NDSU would have a low to middle conference budget day 1 in the conference, just based off additional conference revenue in either the MW or MAC. I’m not rehashing that again if you’ve forgotten.
Not what I said. You're twisting.
NDSU needs to pay as much attention to academics as football. And fiscally it is not (see: needed bailout).
In this case I believe they are not mutually exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
NDSU does not need to invest even less than it already does in athletics. It is already the lowest in the country for non-P5 as far as public institutions go by data I’ve seen and that is going on a decade. You’re talking about taking revenue money away from a self-reliant football program to handle academic problems. How is that twisting?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
My understanding is that NDSU’s problem is academic programs that are not self-sustaining. Underinvesting in other areas to cover a loss somewhere does not fix that problem. Restructuring and right-sizing programs, however painful, is the way to move forward and it appears that is the way that is being handled.
None of this, by the way has anything to do with my point that UND is nowhere near FBS ready with a smaller non-hockies athletic budget than NDSU and a poor man’s kibbie dome for a football stadium. Unfortunately so, any FBS conference without UND is doomed to be the next CUSA. What a shame
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Originally Posted by nodak651
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LOL, have you even casually glanced at those geographic footprints?Quote:
Originally Posted by nodak651
USD/UND will bridge us all the way to SBC/CUSA? :rofl:
Take the two most unlikely conferences to add us, and add the two most unlikely Dakota schools to go FBS.
Yeah, thats a Billion to 1 scenario right there. The Tommies will be FBS before UND is.
Speculation, or there are active MWC discussions on this approach at AD level?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I like this idea, if they can get a premium provider to step up with money and promotion.
Just please, not anything like Flo Sports or Facebook. Needs to be a real player like ESPN/Amazon/Apple.
Some speculation, some rumblings..I think what happens with the Pac 12 will determine future actions..None of the traditional providers pay much now and seem unlikely to throw around more dollars in the next round of negotiations..In almost every case, the tv deal currently in place represents less than 10 percent of the total revenue produced by the athletics. I don't think streamers will pay much more but the increased live gate may make up the difference a bit..
Nobody in the MW is getting rich..
Because of the late start times now, few people east of the Rockies watch the MW, anyway..
Reading comprehension. Key word is strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Very true statement. They would have to expand beyond their current members. They are at 12 so if the G5 expand to larger numbers like P5 it's possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
With the NDSU legacy and recruiting into G5 rather than FCS, I like their chances better than UND in the Big Sky. But there is still a huge risk. Same with going to a conference like C-USA or AAC or Sun Belt. I like the Bison's chances to be successful if the opportunity presents itself. But someone has to invite them. The only real negative for other conferences is geography, but eventually a conference will weigh all the other benefits and determine NDSU is a good fit. Or the entire college division/conference landscape will be blown up. The Bison are in good shape to be a viable option to someone. As I've taught my kids, control what you can control and be grateful for what you have. I'll enjoy a very competitive FCS team as long as it continues. I guess that makes me weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
Not at all. As much as I would like to see us matching up against teams like Boise St and Wyoming, also appreciate what we have now.Quote:
As I've taught my kids, control what you can control and be grateful for what you have. I'll enjoy a very competitive FCS team as long as it continues. I guess that makes me weird.
Every trip to Frisco is an opportunity most teams never see. Every Championship we can win counts, and makes the legacy that much bigger.
Some people seem to think we will easily dominate the next level and be in the playoffs every year. It is likely we wouldn't see a playoff game in FBS more than once a decade, while playing in a G5 conference. Even this is not guaranteed. The regular season in a conference like MWC would be great, but the postseason would often consist of playing another G5 school in a random, non-playoff bowl. That is considered success for almost everyone in G5. Every year, our best coaches and players would be chased by schools higher on the pyramid. Win a conference title, and prepare to rebuild the next year.
FBS reality may shock some of our fans. We've become very spoiled with success.
We may never make the CFP playoffs as a member of the MWC, and we may never get a NY6 bowl game. Will our fans be ok with a MWC championship and a random bowl game? I hope so because that is what G5 teams do now. Not many fan bases are used to this much winning and championships!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I would be OK with that, too. My sons have gone to Ball State, Arizona State, and Western Michigan. I've been to football games at each and had fun. MAC is pretty good football. Your expectations are different and success is defined a little differently, but I fully expect the Bison will be competitive when they get the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
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USD and UND can’t afford FBS and don’t have high enough attendance. NDSU and SDSU wont take them with to the FBS just because they are Dakota schools, the Dakota schools are only a package for FCS. Maybe the big Sky will take you two when you are left behind?Quote:
Originally Posted by nodak651
Bohl had to change the way he recruited a little bit when he went out west. He still recruits a lot of the same territory as NDSU. Not as many Ill or WI kids, but more TX. The AAC or the MAC would be easier for NDSU to recruit than going out westQuote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
why would NDSU fanbase expect any less than success?? and futhermore like I've said over and over again.. DAY 1 that NDSU is FBS, we absolutely crush it on Recruiting. NDSU can steal all the FCS regional transfers we want and compete with recruits easily with Wisc/Minn/Iowa/Iowa StateQuote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
No, there is a long list of other things that make you weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
Few if any academic programs are self-sustaining. That's why there are donors and support for universities, chairs, programs, scholarships.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
You just pointed out NDSU's preferred investments are athletics over academics as you state NDSU "does not need to invest even less" in athletics while acknowledging academic shortfalls, red ink. You're prioritizing investing in athletics while acknowledging academics are suffering. Priorities I guess.
The likelihood of competing "easily" with the B1G/Big 12 schools is slim/none. Could get a few more H2H recruiting wins by don't kid yourself into thinking there's gonna be kids with MN, WI, IA offers tripping over each other to go to NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Why would ndsu recruit uncoordinated kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
You don't even know half of themQuote:
Originally Posted by Gully
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New recruiting technique... TR has a power run up the middle with that type of athleteQuote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
The ratio of institutional funds NDSU spends on athletics compared to academics is among the lowest in the country and is considerably lower than the institution you support. You seem either unable to grasp this concept (among other basic budget management concepts) or are willingly playing dumb. There is no point in continuing this conversation lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Have fun in FCS, maybe like D2 yall will be able to find a good niche after we leave.
You simply don’t understand. It’s the STRATEGY of including UND. Not actually including UND. Or something, idk.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Coincidentally hurting the OP’s point is the fact that adding pud FCS programs to an FBS conference is actually CUSA’s strategy, not the Sun Belt’s…
Are all UND fans like this or does the SS just send their dumb ones?
I grasp it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Even with the higher ratio of institutional funds to athletics, UND academics were not in the red.
It took a $4.8M state bailout to head off even deeper academic cuts at NDSU.
How about this for a conference?
Washington State
Oregon State
Boise State
Montana
Montana State
Wyoming
NDSU
SDSU
Colorado State
And fill in with 1-3 of the following:
UND
USD
Northern Colorado
Idaho
Idaho State
Portland State
If the PAC12 gets raided it could mean a huge shake up in the landscape of things.
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It is not from a lack of trying. The NDSU athletic department tripped all over themselves trying to convince the student government to increase student fees and got completely shut down.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Instead they had to negotiate to get some seats back from the students. That strategy it worked well for a few years when tickets were tough to come by. Now there is 2 total opponents that anyone needs to put forth any effort to get tickets for. Otherwise they are readily available.
I’m not sure that’s how it went down with student government. My impression, very much from the outside, was not that the athletic department did not do a very good job selling their position.Quote:
Originally Posted by abc123
Did all those cuts and bailouts about 6 years ago at UND slip your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
There were cuts. Deep. Painful. Sobering. But today, a positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonator98
Show me, link to, the one-time state budget line item bailout like NDSU got. (If I've forgotten it I'll own it.)
NDSU Athletics made a very good pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
NDSU's student body shot it to ribbons at the vote.
Seems contradictory.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
The NDSU student body didn't have appetite to direct their dollars to Athletics and it showed at the ballot box.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit