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Originally Posted by BigHorns

The MAC schedule isn't that horrible when you look and compare it to other G5 conferences.
The typical MAC school is seeing on average two midweek games in November, maybe one home and one away.

https://fbschedules.com/2023-ball-st...ball-schedule/

I like MWC a ton for the competition and teams in the league. Don't think I would make quite as many games in person though.

Just looked, it seems like majority of MWC games kickoff between 6:00-9:30pm central.
https://fbschedules.com/2023-san-die...ball-schedule/

Would still enjoy the heck out of watching it on television.

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If the MW or TV schedule forced NDSU to play Saturday 6pm home games (big if, btw), I’m sure it’d take some adjusting. Saturday night lights doesn’t sound half bad, especially if we’re winning.

In a weird way, a slow burndown of the PAC 10 might be better for NDSU.

If OU and UW renew for a short contract to manage their transition, but the 4 Corners schools exit, the conference might not collapse.

PAC 10 replaces the 4 Corners with SDSU and SMU then two of Fresno | Boise | CSU | UNLV. Then when OU and UW exit, the PAC could pick up the last two. The advantage is that the OGs (Stanford, WSU, OSU, Cal) would pick up the exit fees and control the conference, rather than going independent or going into the MWC.

The OGs in the MWC would get the same benefit on exit fees. Not sure who the MWC would add but you would think the FCS would need to be in play because NMSU and UTEP would be the only FBS schools in the footprint.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

As the conferences currently sit? Mountain west x 1,000,000

Even if the mountain west loses up to four teams I like that better than the MAC. And that’s before even taking the MACtion Tuesday games into account

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Have to Agree. MWC/AAC is preferred. CUSA/Sun Belt I'd go holding my nose. MAC is a distant 5th

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People said the same when we were looking at an FCS conference, everyone was hoping for the Big Sky and look what happened once the Gateway took NDSU & SDSU, it has become the top conference in FCS. I'd be willing to bet the same could happen if the MAC were to take NDSU and SDSU. Eventually the MAC could overtake the MWC IMO. It wasn't that long ago they were one of the top G5 conferences. I prefer the MAC option for our recruiting footprint, B1G scheduling and TV/game times.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

People said the same when we were looking at an FCS conference, everyone was hoping for the Big Sky and look what happened once the Gateway took NDSU & SDSU, it has become the top conference in FCS. I'd be willing to bet the same could happen if the MAC were to take NDSU and SDSU. Eventually the MAC could overtake the MWC IMO. It wasn't that long ago they were one of the top G5 conferences. I prefer the MAC option for our recruiting footprint, B1G scheduling and TV/game times.

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The MVFC became what it has become because NDSU and SDSU willed it into being. Take the XDSU’s and put them in the Big Sky and think of the monster that conference would be in comparison to the MVFC.

If the MW gets gutted, then I may switch my desire to the MAC, but until then I’ll stay with the MW. Western flagship land grant institutions. Just like it was always meant to be.

All said, I’ll take any FBS invite out there…

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

If the MW or TV schedule forced NDSU to play Saturday 6pm home games (big if, btw), I’m sure it’d take some adjusting. Saturday night lights doesn’t sound half bad, especially if we’re winning.

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If the claims of all the eyeballs are why the MWC would supposedly consider NDSU, you don't think the networks paying the media deals are going to be dictating what time they play in order to put them in an empty timeslot in front of said supposed eyeballs? I don't see a ton of scenarios where a home game is starting at 10pm, but there would be a lot of control giving up and could see multiple games a year with kickoff well after 6pm.
Seems like you are asking to have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

If the PAC10 gets robbed by the rest of the P5 then the MWC is next. They will need to fill some big holes and will be our best shot at FBS

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Is a gutted MWC all that attractive to NDSU ?

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Originally Posted by MWC

Is a gutted MWC all that attractive to NDSU ?

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won't be gutted compared to Murray St Indiana State und. lol. cmon man.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Is a gutted MWC all that attractive to NDSU ?

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At this point, yes.

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Originally Posted by abc123

If the claims of all the eyeballs are why the MWC would supposedly consider NDSU, you don't think the networks paying the media deals are going to be dictating what time they play in order to put them in an empty timeslot in front of said supposed eyeballs? I don't see a ton of scenarios where a home game is starting at 10pm, but there would be a lot of control giving up and could see multiple games a year with kickoff well after 6pm.
Seems like you are asking to have your cake and eat it too.

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Just checked two MW schools schedules from last year. 3 or 4 230 central kickoffs a couple 6pm central kickoffs and 2 or 3 later than 6pm kickoffs.

What have I said that contradicts that? You UNDers really struggle with reality sometimes. “Have my cake and eat it too” lol

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

won't be gutted compared to Murray St Indiana State und. lol. cmon man.

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You are probably correct that it won't get gutted. However, if the Pac 12 does get gutted, they will backfill with MW schools.

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Originally Posted by MWC

You are probably correct that it won't get gutted. However, if the Pac 12 does get gutted, they will backfill with MW schools.

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Such is the predicament. Hope the MW loses enough schools to need to backfill while still maintaining as much quality in the conference as possible. Virtually any MW scenario is superior to staying in FCS in my opinion. Even if they lost virtually everyone to the PAC, and there were a bunch of FCS moveups in the MW, that would be superior to playing Murray State and Indiana State, etc. Non-con games would be vastly superior as well.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

What have I said that contradicts that? You UNDers really struggle with reality sometimes. “Have my cake and eat it too” lol

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You literally replied to a comment that linked to SDSU's schedule which has 8 of 9 announced times (with 3 TBA) starting at 6pm CST or later by inferring it was questionable that it could happen, stating it was a "(big if, btw)".
What exactly is the "big if" you are referring to?

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Originally Posted by abc123

You literally replied to a comment that linked to SDSU's schedule which has 8 of 9 announced times (with 3 TBA) starting at 6pm CST or later by inferring it was questionable that it could happen, stating it was a "(big if, btw)".
What exactly is the "big if" you are referring to?

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Is SDSU in the same time zone as NDSU? Do any schools ever two time zones apart have similar start times? For your next trick why don’t you compare us to Hawaii’s start times lol

I checked two of the easternmost MW schools and reported what I found. But you’re going to compare us to the westernmost school on the continent and say that is our fate lol

As I mentioned before, it is entirely possible the next MW deal might be all streaming. If that is the case, the games can be played at 1PM on Saturdays..

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Is SDSU in the same time zone as NDSU? Do any schools ever two time zones apart have similar start times? For your next trick why don’t you compare us to Hawaii’s start times lol

I checked two of the easternmost MW schools and reported what I found. But you’re going to compare us to the westernmost school on the continent and say that is our fate lol

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I mean, you're the one that replied to a comment about that specific schedule.

Do you think in this hypothetical scenario that NDSU would be setting their start times or the conference/media partners? And if its the latter, where do you think they decide is the best time slot for those games? What is more convenient for NDSU? Or what fills the timeslot they think is most appropriate for the week?

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Originally Posted by MWC

As I mentioned before, it is entirely possible the next MW deal might be all streaming. If that is the case, the games can be played at 1PM on Saturdays..

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Isn't that what the PAC is being offered? They're not fond of it because no linear (broadcast) television would be their undoing.

I'm 100% for NDSU going to a gutted Mountain West. Further, I am also okay if that included the some FCS "cream" like Montana and SDSU. I just want nothing to do anymore with the rest of the FCS garbage. Even UNI is approaching that status in my eyes.

I have no idea what the Pac 12 is being offered. Their situation is completely different than the MW. The Pac 12 gets to play day games. The MW's contracts are designed to provide time slot fodder for the providers.

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Originally Posted by MWC

The MW's contracts are designed to provide time slot fodder for the providers.

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Harsh but on point.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

The MVFC became what it has become because NDSU and SDSU willed it into being. Take the XDSU’s and put them in the Big Sky and think of the monster that conference would be in comparison to the MVFC.

If the MW gets gutted, then I may switch my desire to the MAC, but until then I’ll stay with the MW. Western flagship land grant institutions. Just like it was always meant to be.

All said, I’ll take any FBS invite out there…

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I see a lot of truth in this. I remember talking with an NDSU administrator about the time of the FCS transition. They shared the preference was definitely Summit/MVFC over Big Sky but would accept either. The reason was the recruiting footprint and alumni footprint was much better that way. They may have been just as successful going the Big Sky route, but it would have required establishing a new recruiting footprint with most of their games going a different direction. It may not affect the Minnesota and Omaha recruits, but Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois becomes much tougher. You would need to establish more connections with schools in Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana.

Similar factors would exist in the MAC/MWC discussion. I think both would be good options and NDSU could be successful in either. But if both options are offered at the same time, I expect they would pick MAC. But I don't expect they would turn down the MWC if it was offered.

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Originally Posted by abc123

I mean, you're the one that replied to a comment about that specific schedule.

Do you think in this hypothetical scenario that NDSU would be setting their start times or the conference/media partners? And if its the latter, where do you think they decide is the best time slot for those games? What is more convenient for NDSU? Or what fills the timeslot they think is most appropriate for the week?

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Lol are you dumb or just an ass? I have been very clear about what I’ve said. I don’t care that somewhere in the previous post there was a link to SDSU’s schedule. I haven’t mentioned SDSU once except to point out that it’s not the best comparison, in which I offered two comparisons which are geographically closer.

The games that get put on TV get decided by the media organization. Those that don’t are not. I thought I covered that in my original post on this subject. As usual when you post, everything in between this post and that has been you trying to twist words and move goalposts.

I don’t think that if NDSU went to the mountain west we’d be playing “8 of 9 announced times” after 8pm. 4 non-con games which will be the decision of the home team, and 2-3 each of 230, 6 and after 6.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

I see a lot of truth in this. I remember talking with an NDSU administrator about the time of the FCS transition. They shared the preference was definitely Summit/MVFC over Big Sky but would accept either. The reason was the recruiting footprint and alumni footprint was much better that way. They may have been just as successful going the Big Sky route, but it would have required establishing a new recruiting footprint with most of their games going a different direction. It may not affect the Minnesota and Omaha recruits, but Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois becomes much tougher. You would need to establish more connections with schools in Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana.

Similar factors would exist in the MAC/MWC discussion. I think both would be good options and NDSU could be successful in either. But if both options are offered at the same time, I expect they would pick MAC. But I don't expect they would turn down the MWC if it was offered.

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I just don’t see the MAC offering us anytime soon. The MAC seems super stable right now, I don’t see them losing schools to any conference. Either way, anything not CUSA is an automatic yes from me.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

let's gooooo

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Wyoming, Utah St, Montana, Montana St. New Mexico, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, San Jose St

Question is who gets picked up by the PAC or do the dissolve and leave Washington st. And Oregon St

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Originally Posted by MWC

Is a gutted MWC all that attractive to NDSU ?

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Yes it is still a step up in competition with peer institutions

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

The MVFC became what it has become because NDSU and SDSU willed it into being. Take the XDSU’s and put them in the Big Sky and think of the monster that conference would be in comparison to the MVFC.

If the MW gets gutted, then I may switch my desire to the MAC, but until then I’ll stay with the MW. Western flagship land grant institutions. Just like it was always meant to be.

All said, I’ll take any FBS invite out there…

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The Big Sky is probably on the Dakota 4 radar if the summit collapses…

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Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan

In a weird way, a slow burndown of the PAC 10 might be better for NDSU.

If OU and UW renew for a short contract to manage their transition, but the 4 Corners schools exit, the conference might not collapse.

PAC 10 replaces the 4 Corners with SDSU and SMU then two of Fresno | Boise | CSU | UNLV. Then when OU and UW exit, the PAC could pick up the last two. The advantage is that the OGs (Stanford, WSU, OSU, Cal) would pick up the exit fees and control the conference, rather than going independent or going into the MWC.

The OGs in the MWC would get the same benefit on exit fees. Not sure who the MWC would add but you would think the FCS would need to be in play because NMSU and UTEP would be the only FBS schools in the footprint.

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You are assuming Stanford and Cal will want to stay with the lowlifes of the bottom PAC and MWC teams. I don’t see them staying in a gutted PAC.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

I see a lot of truth in this. I remember talking with an NDSU administrator about the time of the FCS transition. They shared the preference was definitely Summit/MVFC over Big Sky but would accept either. The reason was the recruiting footprint and alumni footprint was much better that way. They may have been just as successful going the Big Sky route, but it would have required establishing a new recruiting footprint with most of their games going a different direction. It may not affect the Minnesota and Omaha recruits, but Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois becomes much tougher. You would need to establish more connections with schools in Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana.

Similar factors would exist in the MAC/MWC discussion. I think both would be good options and NDSU could be successful in either. But if both options are offered at the same time, I expect they would pick MAC. But I don't expect they would turn down the MWC if it was offered.

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For selfish reasons, I'd love the Bison in the MWC given the easy flights and potentially some road trips to away games for me.

That said, I don't think this recruiting thing can be overstated. They'd need to establish all new recruiting ties and that, along with the challenge of the time zones/game times that would be different than most of the conference, will be a challenge. I guess the key will be to find some way to maintain that great midwest pipeline while expanding westward.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Yes it is still a step up in competition with peer institutions

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It is that.

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Originally Posted by MWC

It is that.

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and a CHANCE AT A SPOT IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF!!! WHY ISN"T EVERYONE SCREAMING THAT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!!!

MY GAWD WE NEED TO BE FBS By 2025!!

A gutted MW gives you zero chance at the playoffs..

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

That said, I don't think this recruiting thing can be overstated. They'd need to establish all new recruiting ties and that, along with the challenge of the time zones/game times that would be different than most of the conference, will be a challenge. I guess the key will be to find some way to maintain that great midwest pipeline while expanding westward.

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UND's time in the BSC should be considered a cautionary tale.

dont EVER compare us to you puds.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

UND's time in the BSC should be considered a cautionary tale.

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Far too many here want to repeat that mistake. Ironic that some of the same were very vocal about what a stupid move that was for UND.

Before anyone drags out that old trope, the problem wasn't distance, it was going alone. We go with SDSU or even better all 4 Dakotas and we're a solid block for any conference.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

UND's time in the BSC should be considered a cautionary tale.

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A hostile and abusive cautionary tale eh

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Originally Posted by taper

Far too many here want to repeat that mistake. Ironic that some of the same were very vocal about what a stupid move that was for UND.

Before anyone drags out that old trope, the problem wasn't distance, it was going alone. We go with SDSU or even better all 4 Dakotas and we're a solid block for any conference.

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XDSUs. No more, no less. Well how about we meet in the middle and bring the Montanas. USD and UND bring nothing to the table at all.

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

A hostile and abusive cautionary tale eh

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Not anymore.
NCAA took that back after our cautionary tale has tail feathers.

The new hot rumor is that Saudi Arabia is setting up a rival to the NCAA. It’ll be interesting to see who defects.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

The new hot rumor is that Saudi Arabia is setting up a rival to the NCAA. It’ll be interesting to see who defects.

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LIV with NIL?

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

XDSUs. No more, no less. Well how about we meet in the middle and bring the Montanas. USD and UND bring nothing to the table at all.

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They like the California recruiting access the present BSC gives them. (Sac, plus Poly and Davis in FB)
They look west like the MVFC looks Midwest.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

LIV with NIL?

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LOL, No they don’t muck about with that clap trap. They just write big fat checks. See when you don’t pay the talent what they’re worth eventually the talent finds someone who will.