A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by heffray

Yeah, Big Ben, right?

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Western Michigan got the G5 NY6 bid a few years back too I think.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

The top 4 ranked conference champions get the top 4 seeds. The top 6 ranked conference champions make the tournament. By ranked they mean the team’s position in the selection committee’s top 25.

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Using 2022 can you explain who the 4 and 6 teams would be?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

not by me!

IF NDSU is in the MWC.
the MWC finished with the HIGHEST G5 RANKING...
NDSU wins the MWC title game

then NDSU is in the college football playoff

^FACTS FACTS FACTS^

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If...if...if...if...if...

When does reality strike.

So when SDSU and Boise hit the road they odds of that conference eclipsing AAC or the Sun Belt go even further down the drain. At least the MAC and CUSA will exist they won't be dead last.

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Originally Posted by heffray

My cards are on the table. I think it would be a good and reasonable (not “bullshit”) goal if we were in the MW and if THE REAL SDSU and Boise St were gone…

For me, that’s a selling point. But that’s just me.

If we joined the MW, what’s your goal? What’s your selling point to move up?

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My goal? I'm a fan. Drink beer, entertainment. You know...what sports are designed for.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

If...if...if...if...if...

When does reality strike.

So when SDSU and Boise hit the road they odds of that conference eclipsing AAC or the Sun Belt go even further down the drain. At least the MAC and CUSA will exist they won't be dead last.

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Idk if Boise is ever going to leave. I dont know if anyone is going to want a community college in their club?

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Using 2022 can you explain who the 4 and 6 teams would be?

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CFP Selection Committee Rankings:
1. Georgia - SEC
2. Michigan - BIG
3. TCU
4. Ohio St
5. Alabama
6. Tennessee
7. Clemson - ACC
8. Utah - PAC
9. Kansas St - XII
10. USC
11. Penn St
…
16. Tulane - American

Therefore seeds:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Clemson
4. Utah
5. TCU
6. Ohio St
7. Alabama
8. Tennessee
9. Kansas St
10. USC
11. Penn St
12. Tulane

1st round —> winner plays
Kansas St @ Tennessee —> Georgia
Tulane @ TCU —> Utah
Penn St @ Ohio St —> Clemson
USC @ Alabama —> Michigan

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

My goal? I'm a fan. Drink beer, entertainment. You know...what sports are designed for.

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As much as I love that answer I am sincerely asking what the incentive (selling point) is to moving up and what a reasonable goal of your favorite college football team would be once there. You’re saying that it’s not to make the 12-team playoff, so what is it, in your opinion?

Edit: The “I’m not sure, I just love NDSU football” is a perfectly acceptable answer (I’m often there, fwiw).

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

I think you're mis-interpreting the term "highest rated conference champions". It's not the champions of the 6 highest rated conferences that get automatic bids into the 12 team playoffs it's the 6 highest rated individual conference champions. So if the MWC is rated as the 6th best conference as a whole their champion doesn't get into the 12 team CFP unless that champion is one of the 6 highest rated individual conference champions. Given how the Pac-12 might end up shaping up it could be two of the current G5 conference champions making the CFP from time to time.

But moreover to this general argument I'd agree that NDSU can't really worry about CFP prospects of an individual conference because that's very fluid. 10 years ago the Sun Belt looked like they would never sniff having the highest rated G5 conference champ and now they're one of the leading candidates I'd say. Similarly 10 years ago Tulane was in CUSA but worked their way up the conference pecking order. NDSU should strive to do the same if they move FBS.

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The MW is G5 and only P5's get the automatic slot. The 6th spot goes to the champion of the highest rated G5 conference.. That could be any G5 school from any G% conferences "At large" bids are another thing entirely. They get 7 through 12 seeds..

For NDSU to get a 6th seed, you would need to win your conference championship and that conference would have to be rated higher than every other G5 conference. You are not competing against P5's for the automatic 6th seed.

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Originally Posted by MWC

The MW is G5 and only P5's get the automatic slot. The 6th spot goes to the champion of the highest rated G5 conference.. That could be any G5 school from any G% conferences "At large" bids are another thing entirely. They get 7 through 12 seeds..

For NDSU to get a 6th seed, you would need to win your conference championship and that conference would have to be rated higher than every other G5 conference. You are not competing against P5's for the automatic 6th seed.

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Only the top 4 seeds go to conference champs. They don’t have to be P5 though. If you are the 5th or 6th best conference champ you aren’t automatically the 5th and 6th seeds, you’re just in the tournament, the best at large could be the 5th seed.

The top 4 seeds get byes for the first round. However, all P5 schools automatically get at least one school in the field of 12. Only 1 G5 school is guaranteed a slot. Another G5 school could theoretically get an at at large but that will be close to impossible. The 1 G5 school would almost certainly be the 12 seed.

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Originally Posted by MWC

The top 4 seeds get byes for the first round. However, all P5 schools automatically get at least one school in the field of 12. Only 1 G5 school is guaranteed a slot. Another G5 school could theoretically get an at at large but that will be close to impossible. The 1 G5 school would almost certainly be the 12 seed.

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This is not correct. The top 6 conference champions make the field along with the next 6 best teams. No conference is guaranteed anything.

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Originally Posted by MWC

The MW is G5 and only P5's get the automatic slot. The 6th spot goes to the champion of the highest rated G5 conference.. That could be any G5 school from any G% conferences "At large" bids are another thing entirely. They get 7 through 12 seeds..

For NDSU to get a 6th seed, you would need to win your conference championship and that conference would have to be rated higher than every other G5 conference. You are not competing against P5's for the automatic 6th seed.

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so ur saying theres a chance bro

Semantics...Only 1 G5 conference member is guaranteed a spot in the playoff, period..They will most likely be a 12 seed. They are not competing with anybody other than G5 conference members for that automatic slot. The P5's will almost undoubtably fill 11 spots every year and there will almost certainly be a representative from every P5 conference.

I do not think the MW will be in the mix much at all..Maybe every once in awhile. It is certainly not the best choice if you only want that playoff slot. Maybe the AAC or the Sunbelt will offer you a better chance..

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Originally Posted by MWC

Semantics...Only 1 G5 conference member is guaranteed a spot in the playoff, period..They will most likely be a 12 seed. They are not competing with anybody other than G5 conference members for that automatic slot. The P5's will almost undoubtably fill 11 spots every year and there will almost certainly be a representative from every P5 conference.

I do not think the MW will be in the mix much at all..Maybe every once in awhile. It is certainly not the best choice if you only want that playoff slot. Maybe the AAC or the Sunbelt will offer you a better chance..

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Sure most years the G5 battle for the 12. But just two years ago Cincinnati would have been seeded 3rd. None of these G5 conferences are the BIG or the SEC. Their fortunes rise and fall.

I really think the only reason for you to join the MW is if these are the schools you wish to partner with as a peer. You won't get much money, you probably won't have much, if any, chance to get to the CFP 12 and you will be essentially a farm team for the big boy conferences to pluck your best players. That is the G5 gig. Football games that start at 9 PM aren't great in cold weather.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I really think the only reason for you to join the MW is if these are the schools you wish to partner with as a peer. You won't get much money, you probably won't have much, if any, chance to get to the CFP 12 and you will be essentially a farm team for the big boy conferences to pluck your best players. That is the G5 gig. Football games that start at 9 PM aren't great in cold weather.

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Other than TV dictating start times it seems like all of these things are also true of our current situation.

Just for fun I ran a 12 team CFP using last season's week 12 AGS poll.
#9 Holy Cross @ #8 Weber -> #1 Sac St
#14 SEMO @ #3 Mont St -> #7 Samford

#10 Furman @ #5 Incarnate Word -> #2 SDSU
#11 Elon @ #4 NDSU -> #6 William & Mary

Holy Cross and SEMO are the conf champs 5 and 6. You can replace #14 SEMO with #13 Jackson St if all conferences are included, no other change.

This is all kinds of screwed up. Mont St and NDSU go on the road to a conference champ ranked lower than them. UIW is an at large at #5 overall, would be #3 seed except they didn't win their conference. Southland's actual champ was #17 SELA who missed out entirely.
All 8 of the actual quarterfinal teams are in this 12. 3 of the others lost close games to teams ranked above them, and the 4th was the lowest of the 6 conference champs that lost in the 1st round. Take scratch except for Mont St over Sac St(imo Sac was inflated due to easy schedule) the semis and finals are:
Mont St over Sac St
SDSU over NDSU
SDSU over Mont St
Which interestingly SDSU's games actually happened, just out of order.
Maybe this isn't that terrible. Gets to basically the same end result.

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Originally Posted by taper

Just for fun I ran a 12 team CFP using last season's week 12 AGS poll.
#9 Holy Cross @ #8 Weber -> #1 Sac St
#14 SEMO @ #3 Mont St -> #7 Samford

#10 Furman @ #5 Incarnate Word -> #2 SDSU
#11 Elon @ #4 NDSU -> #6 William & Mary

Holy Cross and SEMO are the conf champs 5 and 6. You can replace #14 SEMO with #13 Jackson St if all conferences are included, no other change.

This is all kinds of screwed up. Mont St and NDSU go on the road to a conference champ ranked lower than them. UIW is an at large at #5 overall, would be #3 seed except they didn't win their conference. Southland's actual champ was #17 SELA who missed out entirely.
All 8 of the actual quarterfinal teams are in this 12. 3 of the others lost close games to teams ranked above them, and the 4th was the lowest of the 6 conference champs that lost in the 1st round. Take scratch except for Mont St over Sac St(imo Sac was inflated due to easy schedule) the semis and finals are:
Mont St over Sac St
SDSU over NDSU
SDSU over Mont St
Which interestingly SDSU's games actually happened, just out of order.
Maybe this isn't that terrible. Gets to basically the same end result.

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Also, for FBS after the 1st round everything is neutral site, so no team would be going on the road to face a lower ranked team just because they won their conference.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Also, for FBS after the 1st round everything is neutral site, so no team would be going on the road to face a lower ranked team just because they won their conference.

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I really wish they'd do two rounds of home games. Kinda annoying that fans will have to travel to at least three neutral sites to see their team win a championship.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

I really wish they'd do two rounds of home games. Kinda annoying that fans will have to travel to at least three neutral sites to see their team win a championship.

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#buttbowls

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

I really wish they'd do two rounds of home games. Kinda annoying that fans will have to travel to at least three neutral sites to see their team win a championship.

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This times a million

…or they will be like all the Bama and Clemson fans I knew 3-6 years ago who just skipped the semis to go to the championship

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

This times a million

…or they will be like all the Bama and Clemson fans I knew 3-6 years ago who just skipped the semis to go to the championship

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Bama fans could justify it. Clemson is a bitch school.

JMU?
Denied.

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/sta...ad-969305.html

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

JMU?
Denied.

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/sta...ad-969305.html

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they shouldve stayed fcs during their probation year

Alabama bringing in Notre Dame's backup QB after spring ball suggests there is some panic in Tuscaloosa

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Alabama bringing in Notre Dame's backup QB after spring ball suggests there is some panic in Tuscaloosa

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I'm sure he had no idea they wanted him until he hit the portal.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'm sure he had no idea they wanted him until he hit the portal.

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Well the Alabama OC recruited him to Notre Dame. So I mean, even if there wasn't any tampering, he probably had a pretty good idea of being wanted by Alabama.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'm sure he had no idea they wanted him until he hit the portal.

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Lol I sense some sarcasm and I like it.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Sure most years the G5 battle for the 12. But just two years ago Cincinnati would have been seeded 3rd. None of these G5 conferences are the BIG or the SEC. Their fortunes rise and fall.

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For the past decade, the AAC has been the equivalent of the G5 SEC/B1G, and it's not close.
Sure, anything could happen, but that conference has structural advantages, along with generally higher rated teams across the board.

AAC is like the G5 version of MVFC.
MWC/SBC are like Big Sky and CAA.
MAC is OVC/Big South
CUSA is NEC.

Sure, things can change a bit over decades, but some folks seem to believe the NEC will dethrone the MVFC.
The difference is, in FBS only 1 of these conferences will get an entry to the playoffs each year.

People saying the CFP is the reason to join FBS need to be all in on AAC.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Semantics...Only 1 G5 conference member is guaranteed a spot in the playoff, period..They will most likely be a 12 seed. They are not competing with anybody other than G5 conference members for that automatic slot. The P5's will almost undoubtably fill 11 spots every year and there will almost certainly be a representative from every P5 conference.

I do not think the MW will be in the mix much at all..Maybe every once in awhile. It is certainly not the best choice if you only want that playoff slot. Maybe the AAC or the Sunbelt will offer you a better chance..

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This is a fair take.

I think to join FBS, it needs to be playing against conference teams that will give us enjoyable games that our fans can be excited about.
MWC checks the boxes for me, but there's certainly no guarantee we would make the CFP playing in that conference.

I could accept a move to the MAC also, but honestly wouldn't be that excited about it, and might attend fewer games.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'm sure he had no idea they wanted him until he hit the portal.

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Did you forget the purple?

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

For the past decade, the AAC has been the equivalent of the G5 SEC/B1G, and it's not close.
Sure, anything could happen, but that conference has structural advantages, along with generally higher rated teams across the board.

AAC is like the G5 version of MVFC.
MWC/SBC are like Big Sky and CAA.
MAC is OVC/Big South
CUSA is NEC.

Sure, things can change a bit over decades, but some folks seem to believe the NEC will dethrone the MVFC.
The difference is, in FBS only 1 of these conferences will get an entry to the playoffs each year.

People saying the CFP is the reason to join FBS need to be all in on AAC.

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They just lost their 3 best teams. Trying to compare conferences is a fool's errand. G5 conferences eb and flow. Look at the AAC now and tell me what makes them special relative to the other conferences.

People also need to admit that while we're on conferences' lists, we're not at the top. For the AAC to get to us so many others left that they'd be worse than CUSA. MWC is only adding if they lose some, which would be their best. They'd be fools not to offer the Montana pair or TX before the Dakotas, though whether MT would be interested is an open question. MAC isn't a bad spot for us. Not seeing any MAC teams leaving soon though so it would have to be expansion. Don't believe for a second that we'd just waltz into the CFP with an FBS offer, and don't use that as the main reason to join.

Sorry if you don't like this, and honestly I don't either, but it's still reality.

I'd expect the MWC to look long and hard at Texas options: demographics*, media, climate, travel.


*including the 2026 enrollment cliff

NDSU needs to be FBS IN THIS PLAYOFF SYSTEM!!

for all your CFP doubters:

2021 would’ve had Cincinnati as a 3 seed. 2020 would’ve had 2 G5s in Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina. 2018 UCF would’ve been the 8 seed. So in 3 of the last 5 years, a G5 would’ve had a non-12 seed, including one receiving a bye. The format is about as G5 friendly as you can hope

Ya and Coastal Followed that up with trips to the Birmangham Bowl and the Cure Bowl in front of 15K and 9K. What a boon to the program.

This is the 3rd time in the last 8 drafts that North Dakota State has a player selected before the entire G5.

WE ARE IN THE WRONG LEAGUE

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

This is the 3rd time in the last 8 drafts that North Dakota State has a player selected before the entire G5.

WE ARE IN THE WRONG LEAGUE

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That's actually impressive

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

This is the 3rd time in the last 8 drafts that North Dakota State has a player selected before the entire G5.

WE ARE IN THE WRONG LEAGUE

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We all agree with you, buddy. Maybe change from EVERY POST to every 3rd post, just to start. Relax and try to have some fun here.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

This is not correct. The top 6 conference champions make the field along with the next 6 best teams. No conference is guaranteed anything.

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Finally had some time to look this up (from https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/a...-2024-season):

“…the expanded 12-team playoff will be made up of the six conference champions ranked highest by the committee (no minimum ranking requirement), and the six highest-ranked teams not among the conference champions. The four highest-ranked conference champions would be seeded Nos. 1 through 4 and receive first-round byes. The other eight seeds — Nos. 5 through 12 — would play in the first round.”