Other peoples money. He don't careQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
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Other peoples money. He don't careQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
LOL you are truly dumb, no shit sherlock. then they use it to buy plane tickets/hotel rooms etc for their parents in a normal sane family structureQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Uhhhh? How much money do you think these kids are getting?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
COA $500/monthQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
NIL $500-$1000/month for a few of them
Full Ride Scholarship worth $40/year
1) most of the guys aren't on full rides.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
2) $4500 (9 months x $500) is not enough to cover flights for a season.
3) most of these guys aren't getting a penny of NIL.
A full ride at NDSU isn't $40k. Why are you lying?
I'll go even farther and say that they have largely surpassed us. Name a sport outside of T&F that they haven't out competed us on a consistent basis over the last 5 years? I'll hang up and listen.
Don't forget facilities... The FFD is the perfect size for NDSU FCS football but it will never be an adequate FBS facility. It would currently rank 3rd to last in capacity. Charlotte has plans in place to expand their 15,000 seat stadium so that would leave us and SHSU fighting it out for last. I'm 100% for a move to FBS but am 100% against all this Fargodome convention center expansion as it does nothing for the Football program. We have to find a way to get to 25k+. Most G5 FBS programs don't sell out their stadiums or come close to it. . However, if you want to host a big game on campus and pull an occasional upper end G5 (Boise, Memphis, ECU, etc) or lower end P5 (Washington State, Oregon State, etc) you gotta have enough capacity to accommodate their fan base and entourage. If we don't have the ability to host big names we are designed to host Sam Houston's, Jax State's, and South Alabama's of FBS in perpetuity. That is basically what happened to Idaho and it basically killed their DI mojo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
That’s actually a pretty reasonable aspiration of our program if you ask me. Playoff expands to 12 teams, with one spot guaranteed for the highest rated G5 team… you don’t think NDSU could make that happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
You dont get it. Its not about our travel. Its about the other teams travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
NO thats not what FCOA is for or NIL. Nothing more than assumptive bullshit on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
How the fuck do you know what a normal family structure is???? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Apparently money given to kids for living expenses is actually spent on mom/dad flights if the family is healthyQuote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
this is the #1 reason with a BULLET why NDSU should be FBS by 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
to have the OPPORTUNITY to be in the college football playoff.
if NDSU wins the MWC and the MWC is the highest rated G5 team than NDSU would be in as the #12 seed vs the #5 seed..... sound familiar?? (top 4 seeds get byes)
I was responding to "if you're FBS you fly to watch your kids." Anyway no need to get into that insanity any further.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
But since we're on the subject, when NDSU gets into the MWC after 2-3 of the top teams bolt, I think it'll be nearly impossible for them to make the playoffs anyway. The "you're telling me there's a chance" G5 mercy bid is not a great selling point in my view, it's unrealistic.
how is it unrealistic?
if MWC or AAC conference is the highest rated G5 conference and NDSU wins that conference they are the #12 vs #5 seed in 2025 College Football Playoff
it'd be the biggest thing to happen in north dakota history by about......100times.
How is it unrealistic?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
First of all AAC? Yeah they ain’t getting in there.
Second? MWC loses a couple staples it will have a legit tiny chance of being the best conference. Not to mention the FBS road games NDSU would have to win.
Sorry your look at me playoff dream ain’t happening.
(I noticed that after my initial reply, thanks for clarifying).Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I still disagree, though. While the chances are probably less than 50%, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to aspire to make the 12-team field. Good point about the top MW teams leaving to make room for NDSU, but if 1 spot is guaranteed to a G5 team, why not NDSU?
Why isn't the AAC getting in? Tulane just finished in the top ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
All of the G5 conferences have flaws. Other than CUSA (horrible). Think any given year the G5's have a legit hope that their conference can get the autobid.
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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
The CFP ranking criteria for the CFP G5 slot is EXACTLY the same as the NY6 slot was, so it's pretty clear who will make it.
It's almost a lock that the AAC will be THE conference that gets that "G5 autobid" ... history of NY6 bowl slot for the past decade shows this. It's been the AAC almost every year (UCF, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulane have made it). Being ranked top 10 isn't new for AAC, they've had that happen multiple times, including with Cincinnati at #4. That is the standard the other G5 teams/conferences will have to beat to make it. Boise (MWC) made it the first year in 2014. Boise was ranked #20, which wouldn't have been nearly good enough to make it in recent years.
The other two conferences that have a shot now are MWC or SBC (once or twice in 10 years). SBC had the next two G5 teams after Tulane in CFP rankings this year. MAC is a long shot, but could get in with a small miracle. CUSA will get there when hell freezes over, its that bad now.
[QUOTE=ByeSonBusiness;1616119]1) most of the guys aren't on full rides.
2) $4500 (9 months x $500) is not enough to cover flights for a season.
3) most of these guys aren't getting a penny of NIL.
A full ride at NDSU isn't $40k. Why are you lying?[/QUOTE]
Because thats what he does. Anything with math and him you just need to walk away.
I'm saying NDSU won't be getting into the AAC. And even if they did, good luck running the table in the league and out of conference as well, which is what it would take to get a sniff.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Well three of those teams are no longer in the AAC. All that's left is Tulane and they aren't exactly a consistently good team.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I dont see any reason why the MWC, SBC, and MAC wouldn't feel good about their chances if they got a couple decent teams.
Some crazy outsider interloper comes around here and keeps saying to get FBS in the upper Midwest it'll have to be be self-built as a "Western MAC" type group.
The vessel to make that happen is the Summit League (plus MVFC plus NCHC).
I’m sorry, but why on earth wouldn’t that be the goal every year and what about our program makes you feel skeptical we couldn’t accomplish that in the MW at least 1 time?Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Take out San Diego State and maybe Boise State. How good is the MWC then?Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Sure it can be a "goal." All sorts of bullshit talk happens in sports. Then there's reality.
Go FBS I'm all for it. But the small % chance of actually making the playoff isn't the selling point.
This is not accurate. To get the "automatic bid" to the playoff you have to be the champion of the highest rated G5 conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
You don't have to be undefeated. You don't even have to be the highest rated member of your conference..In the MW, you just have to win the Conference Championship game and you are in..As long as the MW is the highest rated G5 overall.
While much tougher, it is possible for a G5 school to get an "At Large Bid" with a gaudy season in a lower rated conference.
My cards are on the table. I think it would be a good and reasonable (not “bullshit”) goal if we were in the MW and if THE REAL SDSU and Boise St were gone…Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
For me, that’s a selling point. But that’s just me.
If we joined the MW, what’s your goal? What’s your selling point to move up?
Daddy
it doesn't matter your OOC record or any record.
you can be 7-4 but if you WIN your G5 conference and that G5 Conference is the HIGHEST RANKED G5 CONFERENCE
then you IN THE CFP
why is this so hard for you or anyone to understand
it's an incredible opportunity 10000 times bigger than a FVS TITLE
I think you're mis-interpreting the term "highest rated conference champions". It's not the champions of the 6 highest rated conferences that get automatic bids into the 12 team playoffs it's the 6 highest rated individual conference champions. So if the MWC is rated as the 6th best conference as a whole their champion doesn't get into the 12 team CFP unless that champion is one of the 6 highest rated individual conference champions. Given how the Pac-12 might end up shaping up it could be two of the current G5 conference champions making the CFP from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
But moreover to this general argument I'd agree that NDSU can't really worry about CFP prospects of an individual conference because that's very fluid. 10 years ago the Sun Belt looked like they would never sniff having the highest rated G5 conference champ and now they're one of the leading candidates I'd say. Similarly 10 years ago Tulane was in CUSA but worked their way up the conference pecking order. NDSU should strive to do the same if they move FBS.
Well… I’d say its highly unlikely that any G5 conference would be the highest rated if it’s second place team is 6-4 heading into the championship game. But yeah you could have a loss or 2 maybe… more than likely you’d have 2 teams with 1 loss combined heading in…Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
There is so much misinformation and disinformation in this thread holy shit lol
Yeah if you got 4 losses, its not looking good for the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
But the way I'm interpreting it isn't that the its about the highest rated conference...I'm interpreting it as the highest rated champion of a conference?
Does anyone actually know which it is?
not by me!Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
IF NDSU is in the MWC.
the MWC finished with the HIGHEST G5 RANKING...
NDSU wins the MWC title game
then NDSU is in the college football playoff
^FACTS FACTS FACTS^
It's the highest rated champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
However, if you look at CFP ratings last year, the only teams that had a chance outside the AAC teams were SBC (Troy and South Alabama I believe).
Multiple AAC teams were also ranked throughout the season, and Tulane got there by beating them.
Which conference you are in absolutely matters, because that determines your SOS, and ranking.
Tulane didn't start off the highest ranked, but ended there because of enough AAC wins.
History shows it works this way every year. If another AAC team knocks off Tulane, they will move up.
SBC has a chance, MWC has a chance. MAC would need more improvement besides just NDSU joining.
You have to be the champion of the highest rated conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Depends entirely on how much history you look at. 20 years ago Miami Ohio out of the MAC probably should have been the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
The overall conference ratings do not matter in a 12 team CFP - in fact I don't even know they would calculate that since the CFP committee just ranks the top 25 teams so their would be no way to quantify those teams outside of the top 25 to get a full conference rating. If #2 Clemson and unranked North Carolina meet in the ACC Championship and North Carolina wins they don't automatically get into the CFP because the ACC is one of the 6 strongest conference nationally. UNC would have to be one of the 6 highest ranked champions in the CFP final top 25.
Yeah, Big Ben, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
I thought P5 conference champions got autobids?Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
The top 4 ranked conference champions get the top 4 seeds. The top 6 ranked conference champions make the tournament. By ranked they mean the team’s position in the selection committee’s top 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray