A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by MWC

The G5 playoff would seem to have zero traction at this point. In the CFP at least one G5 school gets in..There is a possibility you could get more than one. A G5 playoff would be meaningless.

If the big boys break off and form their own thing, it might be a consideration. I, personally, do not see the breakaway happening.

As for the next point you made..Being in G5 is fun despite not being in the national title hunt. Though I am not a big football fan, it is still fun to go to games and see your old friends. You get to know some of the folks who come into town too. There tends to be pretty consistent parity in G5 and particularly the MW.

It is still college football..It is still entertaining.

The basketball will be better than the Summit.

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All valid points that I agree with, however I will say this. A 12-16 team G5 playoff would be an absolute blast and the championship game would likely get close to filling up an NFL stadium most years. But only if G5 schools woke up from fantasy land to realize that they were never playing with the P5 schools to begin with. Unfortunately to your point, very unlikely.

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Originally Posted by JMB

I get where you are coming from. The fan base wants a challenge, but a challenge the team can overcome. I think we miss being the world beater underdogs. Although it will be interesting to see how the fans respond to having a team that will never, ever win a title again and never gets to be "the best".

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The peak of the 2013 season was beating K-State. All 4 playoff games were over at halftime

This year, twice as many people went to Arizona than Frisco

Fans want to see great games. The playoffs thr last few years have declined because the games suck. Its gonna get even more lopsided with good teams exiting. Now we dont even play every MVFC team every year

Playing Tulane, who beat USC in the Cotton Bowl would be equally as exciting as Frisco or most playoff games if we host them at the dome on ABC for the AAC Conference Championship. So would traveling to New Orleans if they finish 1st and we finish 2nd and we have to travel there

Some Bowls would be less exciting than Frisco but others would. I guarantee K-State is pumped about their season and they didnt win the Natty

But when you can do home and homes with Appalachian, Georgia Southern and JMU, that's better than a 40 point playoff game vs Colgate toothpaste

Also an extra 22 scholarships mean more horses. Its easier to find the next Jabril or Watson when can offer more of them

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

The peak of the 2013 season was beating K-State. All 4 playoff games were over at halftime

This year, twice as many people went to Arizona than Frisco

Fans want to see great games. The playoffs thr last few years have declined because the games suck. Its gonna get even more lopsided with good teams exiting. Now we dont even play every MVFC team every year

Playing Tulane, who beat USC in the Cotton Bowl would be equally as exciting as Frisco or most playoff games if we host them at the dome on ABC for the AAC Conference Championship. So would traveling to New Orleans if they finish 1st and we finish 2nd and we have to travel there

Some Bowls would be less exciting than Frisco but others would. I guarantee K-State is pumped about their season and they didnt win the Natty

But when you can do home and homes with Appalachian, Georgia Southern and JMU, that's better than a 40 point playoff game vs Colgate toothpaste

Also an extra 22 scholarships mean more horses. Its easier to find the next Jabril or Watson when can offer more of them

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Az stadium was bigger. Not hard to figure out.

What is your non conference schedule for next season..?

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Originally Posted by MWC

What is your non conference schedule for next season..?

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Three non-playoff FCS teams

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Az stadium was bigger. Not hard to figure out.

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Surely the Arizona game was a much larger draw than Frisco. At least a 50% bigger draw if the stadiums were the same size.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Surely the Arizona game was a much larger draw than Frisco. At least a 50% bigger draw if the stadiums were the same size.

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Makes no difference. Thats not what was said.

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Originally Posted by MWC

What is your non conference schedule for next season..?

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It's hideous...EWU, Maine and Central Arkansas. Southern Illinois might be our best home game, the marketing department is going to have to put in some work.

If and when you move up the ooc scheduling gets more interesting..

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Az stadium was bigger. Not hard to figure out.

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Bison attendance was smaller than normal and we had a 1 day jump

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Originally Posted by MWC

If and when you move up the ooc scheduling gets more interesting..

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Much better. Home and homes with similar level schools. Probably 1 FCS school. Wyoming for example is one of the worst travel trips. 2023 home games Applachian State, Texas Tech and an FCS. Road game at Texas

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Much better. Home and homes with similar level schools. Probably 1 FCS school. Wyoming for example is one of the worst travel trips. 2023 home games Applachian State, Texas Tech and an FCS. Road game at Texas

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Serious question- Does non conference scheduling get easier even if we are FBS? Do the schools that won’t play us now agree to play us when we have more scholarships and the pool of teams for them to choose from gets higher?

In my mind it’s easier for a P5 to swallow a loss from a G5 AAC member than any FCS school. IMHO

Nevada gets at least 1 and often 2 P5 games a year. Next season they open on the road against USC. They have a home game against Kansas. The other two are on the road against Texas State and home against FCS school Idaho State.

Most of the future schedules are booked 3 or 4 years in advance..I don't think you would have any trouble getting games.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Nevada gets at least 1 and often 2 P5 games a year. Next season they open on the road against USC. They have a home game against Kansas. The other two are on the road against Texas State and home against FCS school Idaho State.

Most of the future schedules are booked 3 or 4 years in advance..I don't think you would have any trouble getting games.

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I know MAC schools occasionally host P5 schools. I went to see Western Michigan host Pitt last Fall. It wasn't a huge deal for them as the gave wasn't sold out. They got a bigger crowd than normal. The Bison could have some trouble because teams don't want to lose to a G5. Some may not want to travel to Fargo because they don't have alumni in the area. But definitely much more likely than a an FCS school.

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Originally Posted by Grizzled

Serious question- Does non conference scheduling get easier even if we are FBS? Do the schools that won’t play us now agree to play us when we have more scholarships and the pool of teams for them to choose from gets higher?

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I think so. Every G5 school in the nation has to fill 3 home non conference games. The days of home and homes between G5 and P5 will never happen again due to money, so well never get Nebraska in the dome. I suspect the P5 wants to play other P5 non conference games and all the G5 will exclusively play road games. If G5 teams want that sole playoff spot, they aint gonna get it playing Drake or a mediocre FCS team. We would be viewed like any other Sunbelt, MAC or G5 league.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

I think so. Every G5 school in the nation has to fill 3 home non conference games. The days of home and homes between G5 and P5 will never happen again due to money, so well never get Nebraska in the dome. I suspect the P5 wants to play other P5 non conference games and all the G5 will exclusively play road games. If G5 teams want that sole playoff spot, they aint gonna get it playing Drake or a mediocre FCS team. We would be viewed like any other Sunbelt, MAC or G5 league.

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Not sure if that's true. WMU just finished a home and home with Pitt. Wyoming is hosting Texas Tech in 2023, BYU in 2024, Utah in 2025, California in 2029 and Arizona in 2033. Many of those are home and home. Some may be back ends of home and home. That's just spot checking 2 schools.

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Of course scheduling gets easier.

Put Boise, San Diego State, top end of the MAC in FCS they wouldn’t get anyone to take them on either. The worlds easiest risk/reward analysis would tell an opposing AD to go find some other FCS cupcake to fill their schedule.

That completely changes when NDSU becomes recognized as the top 50 FBS program that it is.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

I think so. Every G5 school in the nation has to fill 3 home non conference games. The days of home and homes between G5 and P5 will never happen again due to money, so well never get Nebraska in the dome. I suspect the P5 wants to play other P5 non conference games and all the G5 will exclusively play road games. If G5 teams want that sole playoff spot, they aint gonna get it playing Drake or a mediocre FCS team. We would be viewed like any other Sunbelt, MAC or G5 league.

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https://www2.kusports.com/news/2022/...-nevada-2023-/

Kansas and Nevada have a home and home deal.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

Not sure if that's true. WMU just finished a home and home with Pitt. Wyoming is hosting Texas Tech in 2023, BYU in 2024, Utah in 2025, California in 2029 and Arizona in 2033. Many of those are home and home. Some may be back ends of home and home. That's just spot checking 2 schools.

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That would even excite me more. To be fair, I'm a bit of a peccimist sometimes lol

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Originally Posted by MWC

https://www2.kusports.com/news/2022/...-nevada-2023-/

Kansas and Nevada have a home and home deal.

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Wow I was obviously way off. Tons of examples. But will it continue?

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

All valid points that I agree with, however I will say this. A 12-16 team G5 playoff would be an absolute blast and the championship game would likely get close to filling up an NFL stadium most years. But only if G5 schools woke up from fantasy land to realize that they were never playing with the P5 schools to begin with. Unfortunately to your point, very unlikely.

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I'm sure it would be amusing and fun to have a little NIT, but it would lose a lot of shine considering the best G5 team(s) will be in the playoff.

Imagine the legitimacy problem FCS would have if the #1 seed got invited to play in a NY6 bowl instead.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

I'm sure it would be amusing and fun to have a little NIT, but it would lose a lot of shine considering the best G5 team(s) will be in the playoff.

Imagine the legitimacy problem FCS would have if the #1 seed got invited to play in a NY6 bowl instead.

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IMO that would mean a clean g5 p5 split and their little brother spot at the table wouldn’t be there. Will never happen of course.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

IMO that would mean a clean g5 p5 split and their little brother spot at the table wouldn’t be there. Will never happen of course.

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Yeah not sure why the G5 would ever want to leave now. They got a real shot at snagging multiple playoff spots, not just the guaranteed one.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Yeah not sure why the G5 would ever want to leave now. They got a real shot at snagging multiple playoff spots, not just the guaranteed one.

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Wouldn't exactly be the G5's decision in that scenario...

Split isn't necessarily imminent, but the more autonomous everything gets the closer it's going to move to the P2/3 getting to do their own thing.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

If playing more competitive teams results in some losses and less boat race blowouts, so be it.

Playing uncompetitive teams like Indy State, UNI or WIU has gotten boring.

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Wishing for less wins (or smaller winning margins) seems risky. Right now, NDSU has some rivalries (and some duds), based on proximity and competitiveness over the years. However, other than Navy, I can't imagine any AAC teams being all that exciting for Bison fans, including Tulane when they fall back into mediocrity.

P.S. Maybe you could get something started with Charlotte. Years ago, I was at a conference in Charlotte and went to a nearby sports bar that had a big NDSU flag prominently displayed. I think it was called Jocks and Jills. Perhaps the Bison fanbase in Charlotte is strong enough to have a presence at games in Charlotte that could lead to a new rivalry.

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Originally Posted by CyPanth

Wishing for less wins (or smaller winning margins) seems risky. Right now, NDSU has some rivalries (and some duds), based on proximity and competitiveness over the years. However, other than Navy, I can't imagine any AAC teams being all that exciting for Bison fans, including Tulane when they fall back into mediocrity.

P.S. Maybe you could get something started with Charlotte. Years ago, I was at a conference in Charlotte and went to a nearby sports bar that had a big NDSU flag prominently displayed. I think it was called Jocks and Jills. Perhaps the Bison fanbase in Charlotte is strong enough to have a presence at games in Charlotte that could lead to a new rivalry.

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No one is “wishing for fewer wins” lol stop that crap. I mean do you want UNI to move down to D2? Just think you guys might win a playoff game if you did

The UNI fans I’ve talked to would love for us to go. They want their teacher school conference back

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Originally Posted by CyPanth

Wishing for less wins (or smaller winning margins) seems risky. Right now, NDSU has some rivalries (and some duds), based on proximity and competitiveness over the years. However, other than Navy, I can't imagine any AAC teams being all that exciting for Bison fans, including Tulane when they fall back into mediocrity.

P.S. Maybe you could get something started with Charlotte. Years ago, I was at a conference in Charlotte and went to a nearby sports bar that had a big NDSU flag prominently displayed. I think it was called Jocks and Jills. Perhaps the Bison fanbase in Charlotte is strong enough to have a presence at games in Charlotte that could lead to a new rivalry.

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Jocks and Jills is where the local Bison watch parties are held.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

No one is “wishing for fewer wins” lol stop that crap. I mean do you want UNI to move down to D2? Just think you guys might win a playoff game if you did

The UNI fans I’ve talked to would love for us to go. They want their teacher school conference back

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Exhibit A: the post to which I was replying said, "If playing more competitive teams results in some losses and less boat race blowouts, so be it."

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Originally Posted by CyPanth

Exhibit A: the post to which I was replying said, "If playing more competitive teams results in some losses and less boat race blowouts, so be it."

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Am I missing where I said I was wishing for fewer wins? Lol what a waste of time this convo is

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Am I missing where I said I was wishing for fewer wins? Lol what a waste of time this convo is

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Come on! Would I twist what you said in order to support my argument? ;)

For the record, you did say "some losses . . . so be it." Last time I checked, more losses means fewer wins.

You may not "want" more losses, but you (and others) seem willing to accept a few more losses in order to have better competition in FBS. That may be a costly wish.

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Originally Posted by CyPanth

Wishing for less wins (or smaller winning margins) seems risky. Right now, NDSU has some rivalries (and some duds), based on proximity and competitiveness over the years. However, other than Navy, I can't imagine any AAC teams being all that exciting for Bison fans, including Tulane when they fall back into mediocrity.

P.S. Maybe you could get something started with Charlotte. Years ago, I was at a conference in Charlotte and went to a nearby sports bar that had a big NDSU flag prominently displayed. I think it was called Jocks and Jills. Perhaps the Bison fanbase in Charlotte is strong enough to have a presence at games in Charlotte that could lead to a new rivalry.

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Nobody is wishing for less wins. It's just the reality. Right now MVFC road games at 1/3 of the conference have a few thousand fans in the stands. The AAC bad crowds will be way bigger and a challenge. Big difference between 2K fans and 25K

Does anyone else find it contradictory that one of the reasons many people love to watch sporting events is because no one knows what the outcome is going to be. But then after the fact so many of those same people treat the outcome as definitive proof of the superiority of one team over the other.

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Originally Posted by CyPanth

Wishing for less wins (or smaller winning margins) seems risky. Right now, NDSU has some rivalries (and some duds), based on proximity and competitiveness over the years. However, other than Navy, I can't imagine any AAC teams being all that exciting for Bison fans, including Tulane when they fall back into mediocrity.

P.S. Maybe you could get something started with Charlotte. Years ago, I was at a conference in Charlotte and went to a nearby sports bar that had a big NDSU flag prominently displayed. I think it was called Jocks and Jills. Perhaps the Bison fanbase in Charlotte is strong enough to have a presence at games in Charlotte that could lead to a new rivalry.

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We basically never lose at home outside of SDSU. Since 2011, we've never lost a non conference home game. I can't even remember the last non conference home loss. We've lost 1 home playoff game out of nearly 40. We've lost 6 home games in 12 years, half to SDSU and all were 1 scores losses. The 3 losses included Carson Wentz playing a full game with a broken hand, a game we nearly won despite throwing 3 pick sixes, and a last second field goal. When you have more national championships than home losses, That is what I call boring. Nobody wants to watch games that are over at half time.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

We basically never lose at home outside of SDSU. Since 2011, we've never lost a non conference home game. I can't even remember the last non conference home loss. We've lost 1 home playoff game out of nearly 40. We've lost 6 home games in 12 years, half to SDSU and all were 1 scores losses. The 3 losses included Carson Wentz playing a full game with a broken hand, a game we nearly won despite throwing 3 pick sixes, and a last second field goal. When you have more national championships than home losses, That is what I call boring. Nobody wants to watch games that are over at half time.

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Well, I would take that kind of boring.

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Originally Posted by CyPanth

Wishing for less wins (or smaller winning margins) seems risky. Right now, NDSU has some rivalries (and some duds), based on proximity and competitiveness over the years. However, other than Navy, I can't imagine any AAC teams being all that exciting for Bison fans, including Tulane when they fall back into mediocrity.

P.S. Maybe you could get something started with Charlotte. Years ago, I was at a conference in Charlotte and went to a nearby sports bar that had a big NDSU flag prominently displayed. I think it was called Jocks and Jills. Perhaps the Bison fanbase in Charlotte is strong enough to have a presence at games in Charlotte that could lead to a new rivalry.

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Whatever conference you join will take awhile to develop rivalries but they do come eventually.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Well, I would take that kind of boring.

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Try Madden on the easy level for a decade and you'll understand

Gotta some how some way get FBS and NIL ASAP!

Adapt or die.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

Gotta some how some way get FBS and NIL ASAP!

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preach. announce fbs move & that happens asap