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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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56BISON73
When I was deciding where I was going to play closeness to home wasnt even on the table. JFC
I guess for a small minority it might be. It was for me when I was getting recruited. The main thing is that our campus isn't moving so it's not like the home games and/or actual campus will be any further away from mom and dad's... I think probably more important items for kids making the decision are:
Familiarity with the school
Familiarity with the other schools in the conference
Is an FBS-caliber cities kid going to pick some MVFC school over NDSU because NDSU is no longer playing UNI? Mmm probably not. Those kids are still going to be super familiar with the school. You could make the argument that Illinois parents will have a tougher time getting to a few away games, but outside of that it's incredibly negligible.
If anything, the MW would open us up to kids who are not currently familiar or very aware of what we have at NDSU. Our recruiting brand and presence in the midwest is already super strong and I don't see that changing because we're not playing in Macomb and Terre Haute anymore.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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56BISON73
When I was deciding where I was going to play closeness to home wasnt even on the table. JFC
It's not a factor for everyone student athlete, but it is for many. FBS G5 won't change that significantly from FCS. Get to P5, and it's less of a factor, but it can still be a factor if the schools are similar. For example, if someone at my son's is offered at Georgia Tech and Purdue, they likely choose Purdue. But if they are offered at Alabama and Purdue, they likely choose Alabama.
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IndyBison
It's not a factor for everyone student athlete, but it is for many. FBS G5 won't change that significantly from FCS. Get to P5, and it's less of a factor, but it can still be a factor if the schools are similar. For example, if someone at my son's is offered at Georgia Tech and Purdue, they likely choose Purdue. But if they are offered at Alabama and Purdue, they likely choose Alabama.
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Yup you nailed it.
Just like conference affiliation, geography is always important.
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IndyBison
It's not a factor for everyone student athlete, but it is for many. FBS G5 won't change that significantly from FCS. Get to P5, and it's less of a factor, but it can still be a factor if the schools are similar. For example, if someone at my son's is offered at Georgia Tech and Purdue, they likely choose Purdue. But if they are offered at Alabama and Purdue, they likely choose Alabama.
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What similar schools are we going to be going up against for a kid from the Twin Cities? You're telling me a kid from the Twin Cities, Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc. is going to pick Northern Illinois or Ball State over NDSU because their away games are against Buffalo and the Michigan directionals vs. Colorado State and the California schools?
If parents are wanting to go to the 4 away conference games every year, they're going to almost all be flights in either direction. Is this really going to be what changes a kids' mind? If it's that big of a deal, schedule an NIU, Ball State, Michigan directional every year in non-con. It's probably going to happen anyways in reality.
Or are you saying we're going to lose out on kids to UNI and W Ill, Ill State, etc. because kids would rather play their road games in the Valley footprint? That's the only way the geography of conference affiliation changes drastically in this parents' travel scenario you are mentioning.
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NDSU92
What similar schools are we going to be going up against for a kid from the Twin Cities? You're telling me a kid from the Twin Cities, Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc. is going to pick Northern Illinois or Ball State over NDSU because their away games are against Buffalo and the Michigan directionals vs. Colorado State and the California schools?
If parents are wanting to go to the 4 away conference games every year, they're going to almost all be flights in either direction. Is this really going to be what changes a kids' mind? If it's that big of a deal, schedule an NIU, Ball State, Michigan directional every year in non-con. It's probably going to happen anyways in reality.
Or are you saying we're going to lose out on kids to UNI and W Ill, Ill State, etc. because kids would rather play their road games in the Valley footprint? That's the only way the geography of conference affiliation changes drastically in this parents' travel scenario you are mentioning.
It probably doesn't impact Minnesota recruits as much because they are close to the home games. More likely impacts recruits from Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri. Maybe Nebraska. If the Bison go MAC, they maybe recruit Chicago, Indy, Detroit, Ohio a little more. If they go MWC, the focus would be more Denver and west.
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NDSU in the Mountain West would be Heaven for Recruiting!!
NDSU gets the FBS tag, they can compete with MN/WI/IOWA for bigger and better local recruits
NDSU 100% trumps all the FCS schools (right now we are at 85-90% Id guess)
FURTHERMORE.. with the PORTAL.. NDSU can use the MVFC/Dakota schools as our Minor Leagues, if you become a star at those schools, you automatically can move up to NDSU and the big leagues!
parents can fly its what they do.
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NDSU will still be competing more against SDSU than those schools you mentioned when they go.
And by the way, if you're so concerned about "labels" and kids seeing "FBS", then it's a no brainer those kids will choose B1G or B12 over MWC. It is the label they are chasing after all is what we're told.
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daddy daycare
NDSU will still be competing more against SDSU than those schools you mentioned when they go.
And by the way, if you're so concerned about "labels" and kids seeing "FBS", then it's a no brainer those kids will choose B1G or B12 over MWC. It is the label they are chasing after all is what we're told.
Yeah I would think the chief recruiting benefit would against regional peers, not against MN, WI, IA/IA St./ NE.
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daddy daycare
NDSU will still be competing more against SDSU than those schools you mentioned when they go.
And by the way, if you're so concerned about "labels" and kids seeing "FBS", then it's a no brainer those kids will choose B1G or B12 over MWC. It is the label they are chasing after all is what we're told.
You may be right, but sort of hope not. We won't win many P5 games with SDSU level recruits.
Hopefully, we would win recruiting battles against MWC/G5 schools also. Top G5 talent can sometimes win P5 games.
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daddy daycare
NDSU will still be competing more against SDSU than those schools you mentioned when they go.
And by the way, if you're so concerned about "labels" and kids seeing "FBS", then it's a no brainer those kids will choose B1G or B12 over MWC. It is the label they are chasing after all is what we're told.
youre the king of moving goalposts.. maybe fargodome is hiring.
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What did I move? Just another common sense rebuttal to your made up BS.
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ASUN/WAC looking to move up as a group and form a new football only FBS conference: https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...bs-sources-say
IMO this is absolutely the best chance NDSU would have for FBS if a similar coalition of schools in the MVFC and Big Sky could be put together. Heck, even joing this ASUN/WAC league wouldn't be that bad since it's football only.
Sounds like there are some hurdles to clear in terms of the feasibility of forming a new FBS conference and having it be football only but this seems promising for anyone hoping for NDSU to find an FBS landing spot.
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Professor Chaos
ASUN/WAC looking to move up as a group and form a new football only FBS conference:
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...bs-sources-say
IMO this is absolutely the best chance NDSU would have for FBS if a similar coalition of schools in the MVFC and Big Sky could be put together. Heck, even joing this ASUN/WAC league wouldn't be that bad since it's football only.
Sounds like there are some hurdles to clear in terms of the feasibility of forming a new FBS conference and having it be football only but this seems promising for anyone hoping for NDSU to find an FBS landing spot.
Is this going to motivate the real FBS schools into pushing these obviously inferior FCS schools away somehow? What legitimate barriers can they enforce that stop all the FCS schools/conferences from just going FBS at this point?
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professor chaos
asun/wac looking to move up as a group and form a new football only fbs conference:
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...bs-sources-say
imo this is absolutely the best chance ndsu would have for fbs if a similar coalition of schools in the mvfc and big sky could be put together. Heck, even joing this asun/wac league wouldn't be that bad since it's football only.
Sounds like there are some hurdles to clear in terms of the feasibility of forming a new fbs conference and having it be football only but this seems promising for anyone hoping for ndsu to find an fbs landing spot.
we keep getting passed up by puds
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NDSU92
Is this going to motivate the real FBS schools into pushing these obviously inferior FCS schools away somehow? What legitimate barriers can they enforce that stop all the FCS schools/conferences from just going FBS at this point?
The politics here will be interesting. I don't see the P5 caring all that much... they still have their monster TV deals and they still get almost exclusive access to the 12 team playoff and big bowl games. However, the G5 conferences would fight this tooth and nail I think. I'm sure they don't want to share their peice of the CFP pie or have more competition for the little access they have to the CFP and the big bowl games.
That said, I don't think the NCAA has much legal standing to block this if a group of schools is committed to it and wants to take on the NCAA in a legal battle... whether or not this new WAC gets any CFP money/access would be a different story though since that's not controlled by the NCAA.
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ESPN article linked above was updated with some serious smoke....
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The agreement includes the goal to "immediately explore expansion opportunities," sources said. League officials have begun early conversations with at least four other high-profile FCS football programs, sources said.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Professor Chaos
ESPN article linked above was updated with some serious smoke....
NDSU, SDSU, Montana and Montana State
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runtheoption
NDSU, SDSU, Montana and Montana State
That would be fun.
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NDSU92
Is this going to motivate the real FBS schools into pushing these obviously inferior FCS schools away somehow? What legitimate barriers can they enforce that stop all the FCS schools/conferences from just going FBS at this point?
I would say probably. Once the 12 team playoff contract starts I bet that will piss off the power conferences and force them to move away when that contract is done.
That being said, NDSU to FBS needs to happen after this news and it needs to happen this off season.
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There's an NCAA moratorium on new single-sport conferences.
The alleged "golden ticket back to FBS" the WAC has as a former FBS conference, that loophole was closed a couple years ago.
The schools might be "FBS", but the conference won't be FBS because recognized FBS conferences are multi-sport.
Other than those, no challenges ahead for the ASUN-WAC.
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Professor Chaos
IMO this is absolutely the best chance NDSU would have for FBS if a similar coalition of schools in the MVFC and Big Sky could be put together.
What an interesting concept ...
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The_Sicatoka
There's an NCAA moratorium on new single-sport conferences.
The alleged "golden ticket back to FBS" the WAC has as a former FBS conference, that loophole was closed a couple years ago.
The schools might be "FBS", but the conference won't be FBS because recognized FBS conferences are multi-sport.
Other than those, no challenges ahead for the ASUN-WAC.
That's one of the big hurdles but one I'm going to guess they're feeling pretty good about it since this is already out in the media now:
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The process of becoming the 11th FBS league is not certain because there is currently a moratorium in NCAA Division I on single-sport conferences. Ending that moratorium would require a vote from the NCAA Division I board of directors or a creative solution for league affiliation.
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runtheoption
NDSU, SDSU, Montana and Montana State
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TransAmBison
That would be fun.
This is already far better than anything relating to CUSA.
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It's possible this type of arrangement is what ML has been working on, and he can't share too many details because it could expose plans of the conference. Or something similar to this with other conferences. That's why I'm fine waiting to let it play out and enjoy what they are doing now.
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The transformational committee really needs to make some decisions and get things out for a membership vote. Knowing the new goalposts could save a lot of headache later.
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IndyBison
It's possible this type of arrangement is what ML has been working on, and he can't share too many details because it could expose plans of the conference. Or something similar to this with other conferences. That's why I'm fine waiting to let it play out and enjoy what they are doing now.
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That would make sense. I sure hope that is the case.
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That conference is straight up garbage as it currently sits
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MVFC Big Sky merger would be great.
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NDSU92
That conference is straight up garbage as it currently sits
True, though possibly almost equal to CUSA.
I don't think there's a chance in hell of this conference gaining CFP access, not even on paper.
The existing conferences are not going to invite new ones to join that contract. It's outside NCAA jurisdiction.
Would much rather join the MWC or AAC, and become a legitimate part of the conversation.
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BigHorns
True, though possibly almost equal to CUSA.
Massey ratings by conference.
You'll find the ASUN and WAC below C-USA, MAC, MVFC, BSC, SoCon, and Colonial.
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The_Sicatoka
They suck now, but there's a number of schools in there that are actively building their FB programs. Good chance they rise quickly.
Starting to feel nervous about UND being left behind again?
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taper
They suck now, but there's a number of schools in there that are actively building their FB programs. Good chance they rise quickly.
Starting to feel nervous about UND being left behind again?
Considering UND's athletic director knows a few of the other AD's, nah.
The mystery teams sure better be worth something because otherwise that is quite the steaming pile to hook your wagon to.
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abc123
Considering UND's athletic director knows a few of the other AD's, nah.
The mystery teams sure better be worth something because otherwise that is quite the steaming pile to hook your wagon to.
Isn't it pretty obvious who the mystery teams are?
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Gully
Isn't it pretty obvious who the mystery teams are?
I honestly don't think so. It could be anybody, really. I hope they really are high profile teams, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'm with CAS on the distrust of the media.
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TransAmBison
I honestly don't think so. It could be anybody, really. I hope they really are high profile teams, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'm with CAS on the distrust of the media.
Fair enough. Obviously I can't say for sure, but if I had to bet on 4, I'd best on the XDSUs and the Montana schools.
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Gully
Fair enough. Obviously I can't say for sure, but if I had to bet on 4, I'd best on the XDSUs and the Montana schools.
That I know of, the Montana schools haven't been that interested in moving up. I don't think SDSU is really exploring it...which is why I'm really questioning what they mean by high profile teams. I'm thinking from a Bison fans perspective, it will be considered a lot of smoke and mirrors. Maybe that is just me being a pessimist.
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Gully
Isn't it pretty obvious who the mystery teams are?
Yeah, four high profile FCS schools. When your reference point is Utah Tech, who isn't high profile?
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TransAmBison
That I know of, the Montana schools haven't been that interested in moving up. I don't think SDSU is really exploring it...which is why I'm really questioning what they mean by high profile teams. I'm thinking from a Bison fans perspective, it will be considered a lot of smoke and mirrors. Maybe that is just me being a pessimist.
It could be the Dakotas and Montanas. It could be Jackson St, FAMU, NCAT, and SCSU HBCUs. UC Davis is AAU. Delaware, New Hampshire, Incarnate Word, Chattanooga, SLU, etc, etc.
Once again, all we have is a single report from unnamed sources. More credible than most, but nothing official.
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Could be. But like Indy says when he's not defending officials, "why would NDSU build a practice facility like that to stay FCS?" It wouldn't make sense. They'd be better off investing in the basketball programs.
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the 4 MYSTERY SCHOOLS they are talking to are HigH profile. not the ones already in. follow along Skippy
too bad half the MVFC don't meet the attendance requirements so you'll still have some stick around with you and usd western illinois
