A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by Hammersmith

This makes me feel dirty, but he's technically right on this point(subsidizing the FCS playoffs, not subsidizing FCS in general like he followed up with).

- As a whole, the FCS playoffs lose money for the NCAA(because the NCAA has to play for teams' travel, officials, Frisco rental, etc.).
- Playoff games at NDSU make money for the NCAA(because those games more than pay for the NCAA expenses for that game).
- Therefore, NDSU helps the NCAA lose less money for the playoff, i.e. subsidizing.

I'm going to go take a shower now.

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exactly hammer! when will we stand up to our pimp and leave?

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I think there's a plausible argument in which a scenario could exist that moving from FCS to FBS becomes more difficult in the future, not less. In this scenario, patience may not be a virtue. It's impossible for any of us to speak in absolutes at this point given the state of flux that the college football landscape is currently in. As a fan, we don't have much, if any, influence on what happens in those aspects. In the meantime, fans can control their decisions about how much they are willing to invest in NDSU Athletics. The Athletic Department leadership will need to be very aggressive in finding ways to keep as many fans engaged and investing as possible. The trends of that engagement and investment over the past 5 or so years seem to be a bit of a mixed bag. Attendance is certainly down, however, it seems like Teammakers and fundraising for IPF/facilities haven't seemed to have been affected so far. Just like everyone here, I truly just want to see the University and the Athletic Department build on the momentum that was gained from the move to D1 and not take a step backwards. Patience in conference affiliation may be a virtue. Patience in terms of finding ways to combat the trend in attendance and enthusiasm seems less beneficial because I believe if it continues it is only a matter of time before it does affect Teammakers and fundraising.

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Does an FBS move fix the attendance issues? While I agree there would be a boost in interest, is it sustainable? Nationally FBS attendance has been dropping for years (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-attendance-declines-for-seventh-straight-season-to-lowest-average-since-1981/. Is the decreased interest in NDSU football just part of a larger trend?

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Originally Posted by JMB

Does an FBS move fix the attendance issues? While I agree there would be a boost in interest, is it sustainable? Nationally FBS attendance has been dropping for years (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-attendance-declines-for-seventh-straight-season-to-lowest-average-since-1981/. Is the decreased interest in NDSU football just part of a larger trend?

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Yes it is part of a trend. I'm not 100% buying the attendance gets fixed to the FBS label. Once gain, if Wyoming is on the Bison schedule and SDSU, the SDSU game would draw more fans. That's what's great about regional rivalries. Now do most of the home games suck? Sure. In addition, as I've stated before in this thread, you get 3-4 losses on the season going into late October and November when there's plenty of other shit to do in ND (farm, hunt, Thanksgiving, etc etc), the interest will be limited, no question.

Funny thing to me is half the crying for FBS is due to "look at me"...yet the goal is the MWC? MWC is what people in the east and midwest have on the TV in the background while they're going other shit. Nobody cares, outside die hard gamblers and MWC fans. Doesn't make it a bad, just the fact. Want attention? Cry for something better then (not you JMB just in general).

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

exactly hammer! when will we stand up to our pimp and leave?

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NDSU will be the whore taking it up the ass in the FBS. Take the big boys off the top and nobody cares. Little brother licking white dog shit on the playground.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

I'm 46 and don't give 2 shits about the Wyoming, Boise State or the MWC either.

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But you sure do love your fighting hawks eh

I understand they did not win last weekend

My deepest condolences. I'm sure you are very sad and angry

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

But you sure do love your fighting hawks eh

I understand they did not win last weekend

My deepest condolences. I'm sure you are very sad and angry

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they were robbed bro they had to go play in the State of Weber instead of their tin shed. I don't even know where Weber is bro.

Apparently UND didn't either because their defense never made it to the game bro.

This is all because of Matty L.

Is daddy okay? I swear last post I saw from him was talking about how the MW is a better fit for NDSU lol

This guy just love to argue or what

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

I'm 46 and don't give 2 shits about the Wyoming, Boise State or the MWC either.

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I'm 44 and didn't give 2 shits about the FCS/Great West/Summit/MVFC until we were there.

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Originally Posted by No_Skill

I'm 44 and didn't give 2 shits about the FCS/Great West/Summit/MVFC until we were there.

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That’s great. I ain’t gonna tell you how to fan.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Is daddy okay? I swear last post I saw from him was talking about how the MW is a better fit for NDSU lol

This guy just love to argue or what

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Doing awesome, thanks.

MWC a better fit than what exactly? we literally have nothing in common with those schools do we?

“40k stadium, 200k fargo people, 15-20k at bowl game.” All I’m saying is MWC ain’t getting that done as being claimed. Living in the real world is much better than fantasy land.

the fans have spoken
8000-10,000 tickets available this morning for a playoff game vs Montana.

NDSU fans are DONE WITH PUD FCS

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

the fans have spoken
8000-10,000 tickets available this morning for a playoff game vs Montana.

NDSU fans are DONE WITH PUD FCS

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Weird. HS and youth winter sports activities in full force.

Surprises literally nobody.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Weird. HS and youth winter sports activities in full force.

Surprises literally nobody.

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SO FBS would be better. Last game is 11/23 and then your bowl game is 12/27 or 12/29 Daddy is back on FBS Train!

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Doing awesome, thanks.

MWC a better fit than what exactly? we literally have nothing in common with those schools do we?

“40k stadium, 200k fargo people, 15-20k at bowl game.” All I’m saying is MWC ain’t getting that done as being claimed. Living in the real world is much better than fantasy land.

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Than FCS. It was like a week ago lol

We have a heck of a lot more in common with western research-based flagship land-grant institutions than midwestern and ohio valley former normal schools.

It's up to you if you want to continue refuting the Lakes-math. I just put him on ignore. You'll probably be a happier person when you decide to do the same.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Weird. HS and youth winter sports activities in full force.

Surprises literally nobody.

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We're HS and Winter Sports Activities not around in 2015 when Montana came to town in the 2nd round and there were 18K plus in attendance?

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

We're HS and Winter Sports Activities not around in 2015 when Montana came to town in the 2nd round and there were 18K plus in attendance?

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Maybe splitting hairs here but, considering the opening loss there was a revenge factor that could have boosted attendance as well. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by mtoutfitter

Maybe splitting hairs here but, considering the opening loss there was a revenge factor that could have boosted attendance as well. Just my opinion.

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Maybe, but my larger point is that other activities/commitments/options existed in 2015, the NDSU football games were just given higher priority by a larger number of fans. I don't think the number of fans has shrunk, they are just investing less time, money and energy into attending games.

2011 2nd Round: 17,432
2012 2nd Round: 18,482
2013 2nd Round: 18,455
2014 2nd Round: 18,113
2015 2nd Round: 18,232
2016 2nd Round: 18,305
2017 2nd Round: 18,067
2018 2nd Round: 17,007
2019 2nd Round: 15,690
2021 2nd Round: 12,557
2022 2nd Round: ?


Maybe fan attendance and engagement isn't something that is critical to their individual happiness or passion for the team/program as some have suggested here. That may be true, individually. I know most of us on this forum are still going to games and supporting the programs in various ways and likely will into the future. However, from a larger program/athletic dept. standpoint I don't see how that can be true when the absolute lifeblood of those entities are almost entirely built off of fan engagement, attendance and donors (especially in the state of ND). If the trend continues, the program will definitely look different in 10, 15, 20 years. Not the end of the world in the grand scheme of life but as a Bison fan I definitely believe it is something that should be concerning.

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Originally Posted by mtoutfitter

Maybe splitting hairs here but, considering the opening loss there was a revenge factor that could have boosted attendance as well. Just my opinion.

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you may be on to something there...

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

Maybe, but my larger point is that other activities/commitments/options existed in 2015, the NDSU football games were just given higher priority by a larger number of fans. I don't think the number of fans has shrunk, they are just investing less time, money and energy into attending games.

2011 2nd Round: 17,432
2012 2nd Round: 18,482
2013 2nd Round: 18,455
2014 2nd Round: 18,113
2015 2nd Round: 18,232
2016 2nd Round: 18,305
2017 2nd Round: 18,067
2018 2nd Round: 17,007
2019 2nd Round: 15,690
2021 2nd Round: 12,557
2022 2nd Round: ?


Maybe fan attendance and engagement isn't something that is critical to their individual happiness or passion for the team/program as some have suggested here. That may be true, individually. I know most of us on this forum are still going to games and supporting the programs in various ways and likely will into the future. However, from a larger program/athletic dept. standpoint I don't see how that can be true when the absolute lifeblood of those entities are almost entirely built off of fan engagement, attendance and donors (especially in the state of ND). If the trend continues, the program will definitely look different in 10, 15, 20 years. Not the end of the world in the grand scheme of life but as a Bison fan I definitely believe it is something that should be concerning.

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we've been saying this since 2015 or so. NDSU Admin wasn't smart enough to see it. NDSU should've jumped FBS at all costs then, call the MWC and make a fucking deal and they still can do it. shit or get off the pot.

To add on here, whatever upgrades and changes that were made to the gameday experience were minimal imo. Even the 50 shot t-shirt cannon only lasted two weeks before it was retired. LOL

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

To add on here, whatever upgrades and changes that were made to the gameday experience were minimal imo. Even the 50 shot t-shirt cannon only lasted two weeks before it was retired. LOL

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WHAT!?!?!?! I was going to get tickets again because of the tshirt cannon!!! It didn't last the whole season? :sigpalm:

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Originally Posted by BISONBRI53

WHAT!?!?!?! I was going to get tickets again because of the tshirt cannon!!! It didn't last the whole season? :sigpalm:

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I went to watch 80 year old woman dance to turn down for what eh.

One thing I remember reading is a lot of season ticket holders were companies that bought 20-30 tickets. I heard several of them stopped buying that many or at all. Is it possible a lot of those 18k were people attending with free tickets. Now that those aren't available, those fans are no longer attending. I have no idea how much this is impacting attendance. I also wonder if they've priced themselves a little high. Supply and demand drove the price up, it may have gone beyond the optimal price. The supply didn't change, but it may have driven down demand. Any econ majors out there?

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Originally Posted by mtoutfitter

Maybe splitting hairs here but, considering the opening loss there was a revenge factor that could have boosted attendance as well. Just my opinion.

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Depends on the ticket base I suppose. A large majority are the same season ticket holders who perhaps have shit going on ….and those who don’t go are content watching on the big screen sippin beers.

Once again just because my ass isn’t in the seat doesn’t mean I don’t care or won’t be tuned in much like a shitload of fans.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Than FCS. It was like a week ago lol

We have a heck of a lot more in common with western research-based flagship land-grant institutions than midwestern and ohio valley former normal schools.

It's up to you if you want to continue refuting the Lakes-math. I just put him on ignore. You'll probably be a happier person when you decide to do the same.

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Problem being - once again - geography.

I’ve stated I’m fine when they do go. Just don’t expect everyone to blow wads all over the place. It’s G5 football FFS.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

SO FBS would be better. Last game is 11/23 and then your bowl game is 12/27 or 12/29 Daddy is back on FBS Train!

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1 promise I will Make to you is never attending a horse shit bowl game, no matter the destination. But Im sure somehow you will bring up Hawaii or the Bahamas when in reality the destination will be more like your favorite town Hoople.

Leaving the pud FCS for pud circus act bowl games - I can Just feel the electricity.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

1 promise I will Make to you is never attending a horse shit bowl game, no matter the destination. But Im sure somehow you will bring up Hawaii or the Bahamas when in reality the destination will be more like your favorite town Hoople.

Leaving the pud FCS for pud circus act bowl games - I can Just feel the electricity.

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I know people who have been to both places and they werent impressed with the " supposed" bowl atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

I know people who have been to both places and they werent impressed with the " supposed" bowl atmosphere.

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We all know most bowl games suck and vacuum money.

you 2 are something, stay at the Hoople Bowl.

I'll be at the Las Vegas Bowl with 25,000 NDSU fans.
or Arizona Bowl or Orlando.

like holy shit guys!!! NDSU fans especially snowbirds would flock to these bowl.games

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

you 2 are something, stay at the Hoople Bowl.

I'll be at the Las Vegas Bowl with 25,000 NDSU fans.
or Arizona Bowl or Orlando.

like holy shit guys!!! NDSU fans especially snowbirds would flock to these bowl.games

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You should go this year.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

We all know most bowl games suck and vacuum money.

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Snake oil salesman still peddling the same old shit.

At least those that will be there want to be there.

Indy’s point on ticket price has wheels, especially with how well our economy is doing with inflation at an all time low and home goods almost being given away.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

One thing I remember reading is a lot of season ticket holders were companies that bought 20-30 tickets. I heard several of them stopped buying that many or at all. Is it possible a lot of those 18k were people attending with free tickets. Now that those aren't available, those fans are no longer attending. I have no idea how much this is impacting attendance. I also wonder if they've priced themselves a little high. Supply and demand drove the price up, it may have gone beyond the optimal price. The supply didn't change, but it may have driven down demand. Any econ majors out there?

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Interesting point.

It's cheap for students, but it's roughly $200 for a family of 4 to attend this game.
And it's just one game. Maybe some folks are saving up for Frisco. That's expensive too.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Interesting point.

It's cheap for students, but it's roughly $200 for a family of 4 to attend this game.
And it's just one game. Maybe some folks are saving up for Frisco. That's expensive too.

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IMO, there’s a fine line here. I know many people who, rather than go to game, have “watch parties” at their homes with 10-20 people who would otherwise/more than likely go to the game but for TV availability. We don’t have a big enough fan base to sustain both easy-access tv coverage and fill the Dome. Just not there.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

you 2 are something, stay at the Hoople Bowl.

I'll be at the Las Vegas Bowl with 25,000 NDSU fans.
or Arizona Bowl or Orlando.

like holy shit guys!!! NDSU fans especially snowbirds would flock to these bowl.games

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Lol....good luck with all of that.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

One thing I remember reading is a lot of season ticket holders were companies that bought 20-30 tickets. I heard several of them stopped buying that many or at all. Is it possible a lot of those 18k were people attending with free tickets. Now that those aren't available, those fans are no longer attending. I have no idea how much this is impacting attendance. I also wonder if they've priced themselves a little high. Supply and demand drove the price up, it may have gone beyond the optimal price. The supply didn't change, but it may have driven down demand. Any econ majors out there?

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This has some truth. We still have 16 great seats that are hard to give away some weeks. I do believe the average family has been priced out of season tickets and it's an expensive day just to go to one game.

I also know people who cancelled their season tickets and have not returned to the Dome after Trey et al took a knee during the anthem and received support from the coaches in doing so. Some of you will say that wasn't that big of deal, but I can assure you that it still is.

Playoff moving to 12 teams, any reason to be FCS has ceased to exist.

CFP 12 TEAM IS OFFICIAL IN 2024 TONIGHT WITH THE ROSE BOWL FINALLY COMMITTING

BREAKING: The College Football Playoff will expand to 12 teams in 2024 after an agreement was reached with the Rose Bowl, source tells

@AP


NDSU 10000% NEEDS TO GET IN FBS BY 2024 ELSE THEY WILL BE FOREVER SHUT OUT

NDSU CAN GET THAT 1 G5 BID!
#12 WILL PLAY #5

TOP 4 get byes

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Playoff moving to 12 teams, any reason to be FCS has ceased to exist.

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No maybe we should wait. Don’t want to jump at opportunities

Countdown is on. Matt Larson should be fired JAN 1 2024 (1 YEAR 1 MONTH) IF NDSU ISNT IN A FBS CONFERENCE FOR THE 2024 SEASON OF CFP ELIGIBILITY