A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by MWC

If you see no value to a G5 season you are likely to be quite disappointed with FBS

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Not sure if that's directed at me, but if it is you've misinterpreted my post. I made a very recent post about the realities of life in FBS and how I'm understanding of them.

But, that's exactly my point. "A G5 playoff champion wouldn't be a true champion so there's no reason to play." Well okay, why do they even have a team in the first place then?

I'm all for a G5 playoff with/without a G5 CFP attendee because it's more football, exciting, something to play for, and better than the Frisco Bowl.

If G5 schools can get excited for the Quicken Loans Urban Blight Bowl, I'm sure they'll find a way to get excited to play in a post season tournament.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I believe there are close to 70 P5 schools with a few more on the way. Most years the 12 team playoff will have 11 P5's. That leaves a whole lot of P5 schools not in the playoff. They probably don't look down their nose at bowl games like you folks do. I suspect there will still be bowl games.

A G5 only playoff would be a non event with very limited interest..

Very much along the lines of a AAA baseball playoff.

The FCS playoff is cool because the winner becomes the champ of FCS. A G5 only champ? Meh...

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I do honestly have yet to meet one college football fan that has told me that in their life they have traveled to a non-CFP bowl game. And I've lived in Texas for a decade...

I'm not even sure how to respond to someone rejecting any sort of playoff system in defense of the sanctity of bowl games lol

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I do honestly have yet to meet one college football fan that has told me that in their life they have traveled to a non-CFP bowl game. And I've lived in Texas for a decade...

I'm not even sure how to respond to someone rejecting any sort of playoff system in defense of the sanctity of bowl games lol

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I know quite a few gopher, badger, Hawkeye, cyclone and husker fans that have traveled to non CFP bowl games. Some have really enjoyed it, others not as much.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I do honestly have yet to meet one college football fan that has told me that in their life they have traveled to a non-CFP bowl game. And I've lived in Texas for a decade...

I'm not even sure how to respond to someone rejecting any sort of playoff system in defense of the sanctity of bowl games lol

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I've known several who have done it even to some unexciting locals (i.e. Boise, Detroit). They all enjoyed it. It helps that I live in a state with IU, Purdue, and Ball State, who will likely never be in a CFP bowl game and aren't guaranteed a bowl game every season. But I've also known VA Tech, Tennessee, Nebraska, and Ohio State alumni just off the top of my head. Plus a few MAC schools now that I think of it.

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I have gone to bowl games. Most of the MW games are in the west. My favorite was against Boston College in Oracle Park in San Francisco. Almost 40 thousand Pack fans showed up. I watched Joe Montana walk by not 15 feet from my seat. Pretty great night. That win bumped Nevada up to number 11 in both polls.

I really don't understand why you guys denigrate bowl games so much..If your fans don't travel to these games wouldn't that be a reflection on your fans..?

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Originally Posted by MWC

I have gone to bowl games. Most of the MW games are in the west. My favorite was against Boston College in Oracle Park in San Francisco. Almost 40 thousand Pack fans showed up. I watched Joe Montana walk by not 15 feet from my seat. Pretty great night. That win bumped Nevada up to number 11 in both polls.

I really don't understand why you guys denigrate bowl games so much..If your fans don't travel to these games wouldn't that be a reflection on your fans..?

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Every experience that I’ve heard from others about bowl games sound very similar to my experiences at FBS games and Frisco. It’s all about socializing with fellow fans. The destination plays a role but it is a bit inconsequential. Frisco, TX isn’t really anything special but all 3 times I’ve been it’s been fun.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I have gone to bowl games. Most of the MW games are in the west. My favorite was against Boston College in Oracle Park in San Francisco. Almost 40 thousand Pack fans showed up. I watched Joe Montana walk by not 15 feet from my seat. Pretty great night. That win bumped Nevada up to number 11 in both polls.

I really don't understand why you guys denigrate bowl games so much..If your fans don't travel to these games wouldn't that be a reflection on your fans..?

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Not all of us denigrate bowl games. Sure there are some locations that don't move the needle a whole lot, but there are also a lot of places that would be a lot of fun. SF, like you mentioned, NOLA, Phoenix, New York, etc. Obviously bowls are tied to conferences so that would play into it. It would be a chance to party with other fellow fans in locations that might not necessarily be destinations otherwise.

The other possibility is falling back to the pack in FCS and having playoff games in Ogden, Carbondale, Missoula, Flagstaff, Youngstown, etc. So I don't really get the bowl game hate.

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Originally Posted by oldmantutters

Not all of us denigrate bowl games. Sure there are some locations that don't move the needle a whole lot, but there are also a lot of places that would be a lot of fun. SF, like you mentioned, NOLA, Phoenix, New York, etc. Obviously bowls are tied to conferences so that would play into it. It would be a chance to party with other fellow fans in locations that might not necessarily be destinations otherwise.

The other possibility is falling back to the pack in FCS and having playoff games in Ogden, Carbondale, Missoula, Flagstaff, Youngstown, etc. So I don't really get the bowl game hate.

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Exactly! You think going to Detroit or Boise would suck but when you are in the middle of drinking in a bar or hotel with a bunch of other Bison fans. At that point, does it matter what you are located?

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

I've known several who have done it even to some unexciting locals (i.e. Boise, Detroit). They all enjoyed it. It helps that I live in a state with IU, Purdue, and Ball State, who will likely never be in a CFP bowl game and aren't guaranteed a bowl game every season. But I've also known VA Tech, Tennessee, Nebraska, and Ohio State alumni just off the top of my head. Plus a few MAC schools now that I think of it.

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A fan’s interest in “their” team shouldn’t be dictated by what level of football their team is playing in. I get the feeling that is the feeling of a lot of posters here. I’ll go to a bowl game if we were in FBS and made one. I’ll also go to an Indiana State game in FCS setting, and the Natty game if we’re in it. For me, it’s not a “my team is FBS” rah, rah, rah!!

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Originally Posted by cas4127

a fan’s interest in “their” team shouldn’t be dictated by what level of football their team is playing in. I get the feeling that is the feeling of a lot of posters here. I’ll go to a bowl game if we were in fbs and made one. I’ll also go to an indiana state game in fcs setting, and the natty game if we’re in it. For me, it’s not a “my team is fbs” rah, rah, rah!!

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spoiled!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bowl games are cool and fun for the hardcore fans. I'd guess most here, being hardcore fans, would go or at least have an interest in going. I'd probably be at every one. But I wouldn't for a second think it's anything more than the exhibition money-grab game that it is.

A playoff system is far superior and that's the point of the conversation that was being had, for the latecomers.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I do honestly have yet to meet one college football fan that has told me that in their life they have traveled to a non-CFP bowl game. And I've lived in Texas for a decade...

I'm not even sure how to respond to someone rejecting any sort of playoff system in defense of the sanctity of bowl games lol

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Ive been to the Orange Bowl. Was not impressed with the pregame scene.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Bowl games are cool and fun for the hardcore fans. I'd guess most here, being hardcore fans, would go or at least have an interest in going. I'd probably be at every one. But I wouldn't for a second think it's anything more than the exhibition money-grab game that it is.

A playoff system is far superior and that's the point of the conversation that was being had, for the latecomers.

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A bowl game is in essence another ooc game. OOC games are in essence exhibitions. They don't lead to anything but they are, in many cases, money grabs. Nevada is playing USC next season and will receive over 1 million bucks just for showing up.

Nevada will also play a buy game against a FCS school. That will cost 200 grand or so. That game leads to nothing but a money grab for the FCS school and maybe a nice upset from time to time.

I do not know how many schools get into the FCS playoff or how they are selected. How many games does it take to win the title? I am guessing it takes 3 extra games. That could add up to 15 games. That is too many in my humble opinion but I guess the money grab part makes it worth it.

For the proponents of the G5 only: How would those schools be selected? How many? Would it be based on G5 only games. Nothing given or added for P5 or FCS exhibitions?

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Originally Posted by MWC

A bowl game is in essence another ooc game. OOC games are in essence exhibitions. They don't lead to anything but they are, in many cases, money grabs. Nevada is playing USC next season and will receive over 1 million bucks just for showing up.

Nevada will also play a buy game against a FCS school. That will cost 200 grand or so. That game leads to nothing but a money grab for the FCS school and maybe a nice upset from time to time.

I do not know how many schools get into the FCS playoff or how they are selected. How many games does it take to win the title? I am guessing it takes 3 extra games. That could add up to 15 games. That is too many in my humble opinion but I guess the money grab part makes it worth it.

For the proponents of the G5 only: How would those schools be selected? How many? Would it be based on G5 only games. Nothing given or added for P5 or FCS exhibitions?

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In FCS: 4 total extra games if you're a top 8 teams and make the championship. 5 if you're unseeded and your games start this weekend. NDSU has obviously done it for about 10 straight years. Part of our continued success is the extra 2 months of practice that our underclassmen (especially redshirt freshmen) get. I've heard that the extra games wear on the players by the end of their careers, but it also sounds like they make up for it with a less physical spring program.

In my mind a G5 playoff would function much like FCS. Probably 8-16 teams, yes games against P5 count (just like FCS), games would be hosted by the University to help with travel costs, attendance, etc. From a fan perspective, NDSU has been playing essentially 6 regular season home games, 3 playoff home games and the neutral site championship in texas every year and only after COVID has attendance started to wane. And even then, the attendance issue is more about the quality of FCS competition IMO than "too much football". I don't think you'd ever get "too much football" at NDSU.

You might have to cap it at 8 teams (3 rounds) due to conference championship games and the extra week of regular season in FBS. In an 8 team instance it could be the winners from the MW, MAC, AAC, Sun Belt and the next 4 best G5 teams. In my humble opinion that is a ton more for teams to play for and better than bowls. Its smaller size also helps not distract from bowl games as much, if that's still a concern for some.

A G5 only playoff is lame..The only FBS playoff anybody will care about is the CFP .By default, the G5 school that gets the guaranteed 6th spot in the CFP is the G5 champion..

The JV Playoff just doesn't amount to anything.

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Originally Posted by MWC

A G5 only playoff is lame..The only FBS playoff anybody will care about is the CFP .By default, the G5 school that gets the guaranteed 6th spot in the CFP is the G5 champion..

The JV Playoff just doesn't amount to anything.

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If the comparison is the CFP then pretty much everything else is meaningless, relatively speaking. That includes the current bowls accessible for G5 teams. A G5 playoff would move the needle about the same as the lower level bowls. It wouldn’t make much more than a ripple in the national media world.

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Originally Posted by MWC

A G5 only playoff is lame..The only FBS playoff anybody will care about is the CFP By default, the G5 school that gets the guaranteed 6th spot in the CFP is the G5 champion..

The JV Playoff just doesn't amount to anything.

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The thing that's broken about that is that G5 "champion" is selected by a committee ranking that doesn't even have representation by all conferences.
Based on those rankings, it appears the AAC has a lock on it this year, though there is an outside chance of SBC or MWC slipping in if the right teams win/lose. In any given year it looks like 80% AAC, and 99.9% AAC/MWC/SBC will land that slot.

Even just having the top 2 ranked G5 conference champs play each other for that slot would be an improvement.
Right now, your odds of making the CFP are highly dependent on conference membership.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

The thing that's broken about that is that G5 "champion" is selected by a committee ranking that doesn't even have representation by all conferences.
Based on those rankings, it appears the AAC has a lock on it this year, though there is an outside chance of SBC or MWC slipping in if the right teams win/lose. In any given year it looks like 80% AAC, and 99.9% AAC/MWC/SBC will land that slot.

Even just having the top 2 ranked G5 conference champs play each other for that slot would be an improvement.
Right now, your odds of making the CFP are highly dependent on conference membership.

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I mean the way I read it and i could be wrong is that you could have a conference with divisions that has an upset in the conference championship game yielding a CFP G5 team that is like 9-4.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I mean the way I read it and i could be wrong is that you could have a conference with divisions that has an upset in the conference championship game yielding a CFP G5 team that is like 9-4.

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I believe that is true.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I believe that is true.

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I'm sure it will happen at times too.

G5 teams are going to try and put together strong schedules to set themselves apart. There could be years where they all fall on their face OOC but take down their intraconference rivals.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

I'm sure it will happen at times too.

G5 teams are going to try and put together strong schedules to set themselves apart. There could be years where they all fall on their face OOC but take down their intraconference rivals.

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I mean I guess the problem is that OOC doesn't matter at all in this set up. What matters is 1) being in the correct conference and 2) winning that conference

I believe that is also true..

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I mean I guess the problem is that OOC doesn't matter at all in this set up. What matters is 1) being in the correct conference and 2) winning that conference

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and probably winning 1-2 non con FBS

I think all you have to do is be the champion of the highest rated G5 conference to get the automatic spot. Theoretically, a G5 can earn an at large slot and that would likely require said school to be undefeated with a couple of P5 wins.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I mean I guess the problem is that OOC doesn't matter at all in this set up. What matters is 1) being in the correct conference and 2) winning that conference

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Be in a decent conference and have a good year. I don't really see it as a problem. G5 fans for years wanted a shot for their best team to get a shot. Now they have it guaranteed, every year.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Be in a decent conference and have a good year. I don't really see it as a problem. G5 fans for years wanted a shot for their best team to get a shot. Now they have it guaranteed, every year.

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No they don't. They have the guarantee that the champion of the best conference has a shot. You can be the best G5 team of all time but if you're not in the best conference you're not going to be in the CFP.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

No they don't. They have the guarantee that the champion of the best conference has a shot. You can be the best G5 team of all time but if you're not in the best conference you're not going to be in the CFP.

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If you are the best G5 team of all time, you'll probably get in regardless of conference.

End of the day, the G5 should be ecstatic and people poo-pooing it is just silly.

Fifteen years ago it was "we just want a shot to prove it on the field!" ---> we get a Top 4 playoff.
Then it was "They'll never let us into the playoff! This is unfair!" ---> ignores Houston shit the bed when they had a shot. ---> doesn't matter because the committee put Cincinnati in last year. --> 12-team playoff with a G5 autobid starts soon.
Now it is "what happens if we are awesome but a team in one of the other conferences that is a bit better also has a great season and they get in instead of us!"

If NDSU moves up and gets "shafted" or whatever, that's just too bad. Life isn't fair.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

No they don't. They have the guarantee that the champion of the best conference has a shot. You can be the best G5 team of all time but if you're not in the best conference you're not going to be in the CFP.

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Bingo.........

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

If you are the best G5 team of all time, you'll probably get in regardless of conference.

End of the day, the G5 should be ecstatic and people poo-pooing it is just silly.

Fifteen years ago it was "we just want a shot to prove it on the field!" ---> we get a Top 4 playoff.
Then it was "They'll never let us into the playoff! This is unfair!" ---> ignores Houston shit the bed when they had a shot. ---> doesn't matter because the committee put Cincinnati in last year. --> 12-team playoff with a G5 autobid starts soon.
Now it is "what happens if we are awesome but a team in one of the other conferences that is a bit better also has a great season and they get in instead of us!"

If NDSU moves up and gets "shafted" or whatever, that's just too bad. Life isn't fair.

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Not if you go by the rules.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Not if you go by the rules.

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What rules?

We've had a great run the the FCS and I love the FCS playoff system, but lets face it, the division is badly watered down. The competition just isn't there anymore.

This years playoff's include the following schools:

St. Francis
Fordham
Gardner-Webb
SE Missouri St.
SE La.
Elon
Furman
Davidson
Holy Cross
William & Mary
Samford
UIW

Seriously? Without looking it up, I have no clue where these institutions are located.

I just don't think we should be playing football against this level of competition any longer. We have nothing left to prove at this point.

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Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN

We've had a great run the the FCS and I love the FCS playoff system, but lets face it, the division is badly watered down. The competition just isn't there anymore.

This years playoff's include the following schools:

St. Francis
Fordham
Gardner-Webb
SE Missouri St.
SE La.
Elon
Furman
Davidson
Holy Cross
William & Mary
Samford
UIW

Seriously? Without looking it up, I have no clue where these institutions are located.

I just don't think we should be playing football against this level of competition any longer. We have nothing left to prove at this point.

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St Francis is obviously in Assisi

Hey MWC, wanna figure out how to make your basketball games available to watch? Yeesh what is this the Big Sky conference ? :)

Waiting on Wyo/Fresno game to start—have a bit of time yet.

Anyone wanna discuss why MWC isn’t a good fit for us/team/fan base?

Timeslots just do not fit for us. Nor travel.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Hey MWC, wanna figure out how to make your basketball games available to watch? Yeesh what is this the Big Sky conference ? :)

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https://themw.com/sports/2017/8/28/broadcast-guide.aspx

You can probably catch the stream from the MWC Network for your bball game against New Mexico..

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Waiting on Wyo/Fresno game to start—have a bit of time yet.

Anyone wanna discuss why MWC isn’t a good fit for us/team/fan base?

Timeslots just do not fit for us. Nor travel.

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We are pretty spoiled with our game times if you ask me.

What conference is the most attainable and best fit in your eyes?

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Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN

We've had a great run the the FCS and I love the FCS playoff system, but lets face it, the division is badly watered down. The competition just isn't there anymore.

This years playoff's include the following schools:

St. Francis
Fordham
Gardner-Webb
SE Missouri St.
SE La.
Elon
Furman
Davidson
Holy Cross
William & Mary
Samford
UIW

Seriously? Without looking it up, I have no clue where these institutions are located.

I just don't think we should be playing football against this level of competition any longer. We have nothing left to prove at this point.

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freakin GARBAGE. at Wisconsin game wearing NDSU sweater. at least 100 came up to me during tailgating or game and said.

love NDSU when are you going FBS??

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

freakin GARBAGE. at Wisconsin game wearing NDSU sweater. at least 100 came up to me during tailgating or game and said.

love NDSU when are you going FBS??

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Cool Story!!!
Shirley you got these 100 Badgers to commit to
Wisconsin playing NDSU??? At least 95???

Wth happened at the end there? Bucky self-destructed along the O-line. New QB? Terrible way to end a great game like that

Kaliakmanis looks like he might have potential

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

the und game last week was valpo/Drake level of excitement we posted numerous blue seat pictures. my gawd stop trying to make FETCH happen

Montana in playoffs might be a good game attendance wise then Samford?


Mountain West vs Boise State or Wyoming easily fills the dome to the rafters .

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No question the MWC would fill the Fargodome for all games. That conference would literally be the best conference ever for NDSU. I just really hope the administration is telling them we are willing and interested in a full or football only membership. To be honest no other conference is really an option so we better have our best effort out there.