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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by MWC
First off, CBS has reported that the Big Ten is still looking at adding Washington, Oregon, Stanford, & Cal with the Big XII eyeing the Four Corners schools leaving the Beavers and Cougars alone in the PAC.
The PAC's brand will always be stronger than the Mountain West, and I'm referring to the league's namesake, not the members. The PAC has been grandfathered in as an unconditional autonomy conference wirh the other four Power Conferences. I guarantee you that Oregon State & Washington State will have a much better chance of pulling whoever they want from the Mountain West under the banner and autonomy of the PAC, than the Mountain West will have at pulling those 2 to them with the MWC as a non-AQ NY6 non-autonomy conference.
Secondly, as we learned from Marshall, Southern Miss, & ODU that unless your league has a Grant of Rights in place, which the Mountain West doesn't, then exit fees are just an arbitrary assumption written on paper that really has no legal standing especially when a state funded public school outside of Colorado (where the MWC headquarters is located) can simply hide behind their respective states' sovereign immunity laws and local hometown judges to protect the institutions financially from out-of-state entities like the Mountain West when they go to sue for exit fees.
The PAC won't be instantly gutted, and neither will the MWC.
Just because everyone fled CUSA doesn't mean everyone leaves the MWC.
And even if that happened so what? MWC can load up on MVFC and Big Sky teams and end up a helluva lot stronger than the Southland/Big South based CUSA. MVFC/Big Sky >>> Southland/Big South. And MWC >>> CUSA.
What will happen is movement, and almost certainly openings in both conferences.
These type of shifts happen about once a decade, and PAC/MWC are not immune.
Change is good and will bring opportunities. Its just a little slower to develop with these large institutions than some would like.
I hope Mr CUSA/Liberty is right, and MWC does get gutted.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
In that scenario, the SnowBelt becomes real, and would stomp CUSA.
Half of CUSA would lose to the CAA, its why they are stocking up on buttercup FCS teams.
That was the original question. That NDSU fans would be okay being part of a Mountain West that didn't include all of their better programs. Thanks for answering.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
LOL. It's a nice dream for you. Pipe. But still nice. Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Who ya got tonight in the big game eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
leaning Padres.. Dodgers have their backs to the wall thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Buthockey
This is why we are not FBS already. Because people, including our leaders, are holding out for things that will likely never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by All4One
Are you saying we had an invite but declined?Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Well, the reports are that, at the prospect of an invite, we told CUSA to pound sand. I don't know who else we may have told to pound sand over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
They also supposedly sent out feelers to half of fcs to figure out what options they had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Its rumored Missouri St and others said no also.
If the PAC gets raided and then guts the MWC, this would be the most likely scenario for NDSU to get a chance at FBS. This scenario would give many MVFC and Big Sky teams their only chance to get to the FBS. Biggest question is if any schools are going to really be desired by the Big 10 or Big 12. The payout for the PAC teams willing to move has to be much bigger for them to leave the PAC and their AQ for BB and FB. Why go into another massive conference with a lesser chance to get an AQ when you can compete with only 8-10 teams? I would take less teams if the money is the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
With all the movement and rumors, is there ever a day coming where the Universities sit down for a meeting and reorganize college football? You hear the rumors where big time football will end up as 60ish teams in two leagues (lets call them the Big 10 and SEC). Is there a point that a body gets together and says "lets just reorganize the whole thing and get it over with?"
UND and the rest of the North Central Conference, except for SDSU said the same thing when we brought up moving up to FCS. Sometimes people can't accept that you need to jump at the chance to move up when it comes along, even if it's not exactly what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
It's just mind boggling how the same people (Not trying to single you out, just a general observation) can always be against any idea of moving up.
Ah yes, FCS Forever rears its head again. How long are you going to keep pushing that delusion? NOBODY has shown to be opposed to any idea of moving up, just those opposed to the bad ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
The NCAA transformational committee is currently in session and have talked about all kinds of stuff. The problem is any change has to pass a vote of the membership. P5 don't want to increase subsidizes to lower programs, G5 don't want to lose their perceived status, basketball schools don't want to change anything other than maybe expand the tourney or increase subsidizes. Lots of directions to pull and I don't have high hopes of anything meaningful. Unless the P5 decide it's worth the chaos to make a full break from the NCAA and become semi-pro leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMB
Bingo...............Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Look at the delta in money that USC and UCLA are getting for going to the B10. Then consider that the PAC just lost their two biggest cash cows and are trying to renegotiate their media deal right now. And then on top of that the B12 just moved up their media rights negotiations so they could dunk on the PAC and convince schools to jump ship. Everyone in the PAC is testing the waters because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
People in charge of $100M athletic budgets are not making decisions based on automatic qualifiers.
Define “reorganize”. If you mean they get every NCAA school president in a room and start picking/voting/drafting which schools go where - never in a million years. If you mean they select some committee to do that - again, never in a million years.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMB
If you mean get a committee together to draw some arbitrary lines in the sand to effectively exclude schools from P5 and G5 (attendance or budgetary minimums, for instance) then maybe…
You summed up my thoughts perfectly. People keep thinking that concrete decisions will be made, but look how the NCAA has operated for the last 5 years. No guidance on NIL, taking the reins off of transfers, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
The NCAA “ship” is starting to look more like a ship lost at sea getting blown around and pulled in 100 different directions than one with direction and vision.
the fact remains. Dean Matt no one from NDSU solicited or called or emails the Mountain West in the last 10 years..
THATS THE PROBLEM. no one at NDSU is doing anything.
hell. offer them a proposal!
The NCAA answers to the conferences not the other way around. It’s just like commissioners offices, they answer to the owners not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Kennesaw official to cusa today
The athletic says "Potential candidates to join C-USA if it expands further include Tarleton State, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, Stephen F. Austin and McNeese State" and mentions the importance of geography for this conference. Also says they might hold at 10. Mentioned the Atlanta market and 40k students.
Not much new here, just confirmation of previous rumors from a reputable source.
Right, and there’s arguably never been a time in my lifetime where those stakeholders are less likely to agree on anything of substanceQuote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
And you showed right on cue, just like Pavlovs dogs yapping the same old thing. I wasn't responding to you nor did I mention you. Never mentioned FCS Forever either.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
There you go lying again.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Wow. You do know that's not true, right? Conference USA officials have been talking about North Dakota State & South Dakota State as football-only adds with our new media rights carrier for the last few months. The brand strength of those 2 schools is very appealing for TV. And to bring FBS to the north central part of America for the first time would be a truly bold & innovative move. When asked about whether or not the geography or a CUSA schedule would be a problem, they had one TV exec say, "Fans in Fargo & Brookings wouldn't go to fill their stadiums with an atmosphere the camera loves just to go see FIU or New Mexico State. They go to see the Bison and Jackrabbits." Seemed pretty confident that their money & visibility would make NDSU & SDSU a media tandem the nation won't stop talking about. See JMU.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
".... would make NDSU & SDSU a media tandem the nation won't stop talking about" You kinda lost me there.Quote:
Originally Posted by All4One
For those unaware, Oregon Live has been publishing game time and watch details for NDSU FB this season. Don’t know if that means anything but it is interesting. To me.
https://www.oregonlive.com/collegefo...-10152022.html
Owned by the Oregonian. Maybe they think we are headed to the PAC?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
Clearly the B1G...That is where Oregon wants to go.
Even if Oregon leaves, they still have Oregon St.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Just means another vacancy needs to be filled.
PAC is adding teams soon, just a question of precisely when and who.
It does seem like a long shot for us, more likely MWC teams will backfill.
But but but geography doesn’t matter!!!!!! Those CUSA officials must be dumb!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
If true then why the hell haven’t we signed that invite?!?!?!? A football only invite is the best G5 option for the program, athletic department, and university! If this is true there is no way they could have kept this all secret…… how do you know about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by All4One
Yeah not sure Brookings should be compared to our level! If midco was being contacted by the CUSA there is no way that would remain a secret!Quote:
Originally Posted by JMB
I'm now in the "anything but independent camp"...yep, even if it's conference USA. My favorite is now the American, 2nd would be MWC and then conference USA.
At least with conference USA we'd be able to get some good non-conference games because we'd no longer be the FCS team they didn't dare schedule for fear of a loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
This guy is a blowhard liberty guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
If there was anything to this, there would be leaks everywhere from reputable sources, just like those talking about Tarleton and SFA to CUSA.
https://twitter.com/SamHerderFCS/sta...CRVGxExnhY4Zog
I think he's just trolling us with talk of "big time" games vs FIU and NMSU.
All possible..It is also possible the Pac10 will remain the Pac 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns