A new and better FBS thread

holy crap THERE ISN'T A SOLID FCS PROGRAM OUTSIDE of SDSU, Montana schools MAYBE. just maybe.

the rest are straight garbage and we all know it.

ANYTHING FBS is better than the $hit we have now, last weeks game was a yawner... So we get SDSU every other year at home, OH BOY!!!


there is a CFP spot for a G5 TEAM in 2024 NDSU better f<cking be in a FBS conference else just shut down the program or Fire the Pres/AD


I mean look at this below, we all should be embarassed for still being here. Stonehill U ? Stetson?


1 North Dakota State (24) 4-1 670 1
2 Montana (3) 5-0 648 2
3 South Dakota State 4-1 621 3
4 Sacramento State 4-0 571 5
5 Montana State 4-1 559 4
6 Delaware 5-0 548 6
7 Weber State 4-0 509 7
8 Jackson State 4-0 480 8
9 Chattanooga 4-1 442 10
10 Holy Cross 5-0 431 11
11 UIW 4-1 386 12
12 Mercer 4-1 357 13
13 Villanova 3-2 390 15
14 UT Martin 3-2 286 17
15 Samford 4-1 275 19
16 Fordham 4-1 216 20
17 William & Mary 4-1 205 21
18 Elon 4-1 196 23
19 Missouri State 2-3 190 9
20 Southeastern Louisiana 3-2 162 24
21 Eastern Washington 1-3 108 18
22 Stephen F. Austin 2-3 103 14
23 Rhode Island 3-2 89 25
24 Southern Illinois 3-2 83 NR
25 Southeast Missouri State 4-1 81 NR

Dropped Out: Austin Peay (16), Richmond (22)

Others Receiving Votes: Austin Peay, 72; Richmond, 48; Princeton, 24; Abilene Christian, 21; Eastern Kentucky, 20; North Carolina Central, 19; Idaho, 12; Monmouth (N.J.), 12; Furman, 11; North Dakota, 8; Davidson, 6; Youngstown State, 5; Florida A&M, 4; Tarleton, 4; Penn, 1; Stetson, 1; Stonehill, 1.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

holy crap THERE ISN'T A SOLID FCS PROGRAM OUTSIDE of SDSU, Montana schools MAYBE. just maybe.

the rest are straight garbage and we all know it.

ANYTHING FBS is better than the $hit we have now, last weeks game was a yawner... So we get SDSU every other year at home, OH BOY!!!


there is a CFP spot for a G5 TEAM in 2024 NDSU better f<cking be in a FBS conference else just shut down the program or Fire the Pres/AD


I mean look at this below, we all should be embarassed for still being here. Stonehill U ? Stetson?


1 North Dakota State (24) 4-1 670 1
2 Montana (3) 5-0 648 2
3 South Dakota State 4-1 621 3
4 Sacramento State 4-0 571 5
5 Montana State 4-1 559 4
6 Delaware 5-0 548 6
7 Weber State 4-0 509 7
8 Jackson State 4-0 480 8
9 Chattanooga 4-1 442 10
10 Holy Cross 5-0 431 11
11 UIW 4-1 386 12
12 Mercer 4-1 357 13
13 Villanova 3-2 390 15
14 UT Martin 3-2 286 17
15 Samford 4-1 275 19
16 Fordham 4-1 216 20
17 William & Mary 4-1 205 21
18 Elon 4-1 196 23
19 Missouri State 2-3 190 9
20 Southeastern Louisiana 3-2 162 24
21 Eastern Washington 1-3 108 18
22 Stephen F. Austin 2-3 103 14
23 Rhode Island 3-2 89 25
24 Southern Illinois 3-2 83 NR
25 Southeast Missouri State 4-1 81 NR

Dropped Out: Austin Peay (16), Richmond (22)

Others Receiving Votes: Austin Peay, 72; Richmond, 48; Princeton, 24; Abilene Christian, 21; Eastern Kentucky, 20; North Carolina Central, 19; Idaho, 12; Monmouth (N.J.), 12; Furman, 11; North Dakota, 8; Davidson, 6; Youngstown State, 5; Florida A&M, 4; Tarleton, 4; Penn, 1; Stetson, 1; Stonehill, 1.

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Yup....see ya there on the 15th. Going to be a wild one.

Where Georgia Southern on that sagarin? :D Ya there's dog shit football at every level, including FBS.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Reality is a bitch because you can't just make up a F'ing schedule. Those schedules are made up and based on conference affiliation and FBS scheduling, which, obviously NDSU doesn't have.

I'm not saying the FCS schedule is going to outdraw the FBS one. All I'm saying is...depending on which conference NDSU ends up in....for a big portion of the NDSU fan base it doesn't matter. Read the game thread from YSU and talking about the white hairs sitting on their asses not cheering. Ya think that's gonna change when Toledo comes rolling in? Cmon. Those fans aren't going anywhere.

And BTW...EL CHAPO was the one that brought up JMU, along with Toledo and Tulane...neither of which will get me to Fargo for a game anymore than whatever "teacher school" is on the docket. If schools like that get your dander up so be it.

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Not a made up schedule. Examples of real schedules from real teams this year. Used to counter your point that any schedule without SDSU on it kills our program. You’ve been making that point for months. It doesn’t.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Yeah NDSU isn't Notre Dame or BYU but it also isn't UConn or UMass either.

Going Indy and doing it right would require a ridiculous amount of money that we don't have. It would also require an alumni base similar to BYU that lives and dies with the program and doesn't really care about conference affiliation. IMO very hard to do outside of the private schools.

That being said, I don't know if staying FCS is any better. Either we continue winning and the fan base continues to wane, or we start losing and the fan base...grows? Idk

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You are insane if you think going FBS independent is better for the future of the program than staying FCS. I would argue we are more likely to get an invite from FCS than from being FBS independent, especially if we struggle to schedule 4 home games a year…..

My opinion is that overall the NDSU fan base is pretty knowledgeable about college football and the Bison place in it. They understand that we are and have consistently been a top 50ish program in the nation. The reality is FCS doesn’t give us a chance to prove that and never will. In my conversations with others, the biggest excitement centers around the possibility to prove that. Is there a risk that we won’t be able to and the fan engagement drops because of it? Yes. Currently there is no way for us to prove our status in the college football world and that it demoralizing to fan enthusiasm. Simple as that. I get wanting to aim for the best conference affiliation/situation possible. I just tend to believe that every passing season only makes it more urgent and likely requires NDSU to take more risks to get there.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

As opposed to Indiana State and Western Illinois? And I hate to break it to you, but those JMU playoff games ain't coming back...

Let's play a game, pick your least favorite schedule:

vs Drake
vs NC A&T
at Arizona
vs Youngstown State
at Indiana State
vs South Dakota State
vs Illinois State
at Western Illinois
at Southern Illinois
vs North Dakota

at Oregon State
at New Mexico
vs Tennessee Martin
at UTEP
vs San Diego State
vs Fresno State
at Air Force
vs Colorado State
vs Brigham Young
at Nevada
at Wyoming
vs Utah State

vs Long Island University
vs Massachusetts
at Ohio State
at San Diego State
vs Central Michigan
at Northern Illinois
vs Kent State
at Buffalo
at Eastern Michigan
vs Ball State
vs Bowling Green
at Western Michigan

at Arkansas
vs Kennesaw State
vs Miami-Ohio
vs Indiana
at Tulsa
vs USF
at SMU
vs Navy
vs ECU
at Temple
vs Tulane

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No one is arguing what would be a better schedule, question is if we get into a conference or could even get that schedule as an independent.

We CAN afford it

We would have better opponents

We just need an invite

It’s all about the invite and that is not going to be easy to get

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

No one is arguing what would be a better schedule, question is if we get into a conference or could even get that schedule as an independent.

We CAN afford it

We would have better opponents

We just need an invite

It’s all about the invite and that is not going to be easy to get

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The problem is that people have been arguing about what would be a better schedule and whether we can afford it. That’s why there’s been 850 pages of posts.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

As opposed to Indiana State and Western Illinois? And I hate to break it to you, but those JMU playoff games ain't coming back...

Let's play a game, pick your least favorite schedule:

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The MAC schedule is mostly a wash (Indiana St vs Kent St, etc) outside OSU, who might or might not agree to play us at their house. The P5 tend to schedule easy G5 home games, it's their "FCS tuneup" game before conference play. MAC would be fine though.

MWC and AAC are both clearly superior. AAC would take a miracle to happen for a number of reasons.

Also, agree Chapo's notion of playing JMU again is ludicrous, it won't happen in FBS either.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

The problem is that people have been arguing about what would be a better schedule and whether we can afford it. That’s why there’s been 850 pages of posts.

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I don’t think there are many people left that think that. We can afford it and would be more interesting (except maybe CUSA). It’s not even worth arguing it anymore.

Assuming NDSU moves up to FBS in a G5 conference..Who are the top 5 G5 schools you most want to play?

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

My opinion is that overall the NDSU fan base is pretty knowledgeable about college football and the Bison place in it. They understand that we are and have consistently been a top 50ish program in the nation. The reality is FCS doesn’t give us a chance to prove that and never will. In my conversations with others, the biggest excitement centers around the possibility to prove that. Is there a risk that we won’t be able to and the fan engagement drops because of it? Yes. Currently there is no way for us to prove our status in the college football world and that it demoralizing to fan enthusiasm. Simple as that. I get wanting to aim for the best conference affiliation/situation possible. I just tend to believe that every passing season only makes it more urgent and likely requires NDSU to take more risks to get there.

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Sounds about right. And probably realistically probably finish around your stated rank anyway.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Assuming NDSU moves up to FBS in a G5 conference..Who are the top 5 G5 schools you most want to play?

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It’s gonna be Boise and Wyoming. Maybe JMU and GSU due to history.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

It’s gonna be Boise and Wyoming. Maybe JMU and GSU due to history.

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That's 2...Any others?

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Originally Posted by MWC

Assuming NDSU moves up to FBS in a G5 conference..Who are the top 5 G5 schools you most want to play?

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UNLV - Destination Game
Boise - Best odds of being the best team can we play.
Northern Ill - So we can say we are the best team in the MAC without being in the MAC
Memphis - Destination game and Liberty Bowl
Coastal | Liberty - Best teams we might have a chance for a home and home.

I would be interested to see who we can get for the non-conference home games after making the jump. The current upper class of G5 no shot. MAC schools all need their pay days. That said I assumed we were MWC so you have the new AAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA. Can we pull some decent home and home contracts?

Lots of MVFC type teams in those conferences after you take out the top. Western Kentucky, Marshall, UTSA… I don’t know but after getting into a conference the non conference home games might be tough.

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Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan

UNLV - Destination Game
Boise - Best odds of being the best team can we play.
Northern Ill - So we can say we are the best team in the MAC without being in the MAC
Memphis - Destination game and Liberty Bowl
Coastal | Liberty - Best teams we might have a chance for a home and home.

I would be interested to see who we can get for the non-conference home games after making the jump. The current upper class of G5 no shot. MAC schools all need their pay days. That said I assumed we were MWC so you have the new AAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA. Can we pull some decent home and home contracts?

Lots of MVFC type teams in those conferences after you take out the top. Western Kentucky, Marshall, UTSA… I don’t know but after getting into a conference the non conference home games might be tough.

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That is a good list..

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Originally Posted by MWC

That's 2...Any others?

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I can't totally place why, but I've always wanted the Bison to play Appy and Marshall. I also like the potential of the MWC teams since I could travel much easier to those from here, especially BSU. Also, going to a game in Fresno or San Jose would get me kinda close to visiting my son at college in SLO.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

I can't totally place why, but I've always wanted the Bison to play Appy and Marshall. I also like the potential of the MWC teams since I could travel much easier to those from here, especially BSU. Also, going to a game in Fresno or San Jose would get me kinda close to visiting my son at college in SLO.

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San Diego is close to SLO too..

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Originally Posted by MWC

San Diego is close to SLO too..

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Yeah. We're considering buying a vacation rental in SLO or nearby and possibly retiring there eventually. Such a great area. Several beaches, a ton of wine, a slower pace, etc. It would also be amazing to have the Bison regularly traveling to several places within 5 hours of us.

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Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan

UNLV - Destination Game
Boise - Best odds of being the best team can we play.
Northern Ill - So we can say we are the best team in the MAC without being in the MAC
Memphis - Destination game and Liberty Bowl
Coastal | Liberty - Best teams we might have a chance for a home and home.

I would be interested to see who we can get for the non-conference home games after making the jump. The current upper class of G5 no shot. MAC schools all need their pay days. That said I assumed we were MWC so you have the new AAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA. Can we pull some decent home and home contracts?

Lots of MVFC type teams in those conferences after you take out the top. Western Kentucky, Marshall, UTSA… I don’t know but after getting into a conference the non conference home games might be tough.

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For the eastern teams, a Bowl game would likely be the best opportunity to play them.
A lot of the G5 schools try to stay somewhat regional for OOC games.

Liberty has stated this is their goal going forward and dropped a lot of their other OOC games.

MWC bowl tie-ins look pretty decent: they have Bowls against PAC, ACC, AAC, SBC, MAC and CUSA.

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Originally Posted by MWC

That is a good list..

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These non conference schedules on FBS Schedules are kind of depressing. AAC looks like the best of the bunch for getting decent home games.

It might be easier to find a better quality home and home with a Target Field | US Bank | Allianz revenue split, neutral site game. Do it with a large market AAC school so flights would be decent for the away game.
Charlotte, Memphis, Rice, UTSA. It would be a lot easier to get good non conference from the MWC if that wasn’t our best landing spot.

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Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan

These non conference schedules on FBS Schedules are kind of depressing. AAC looks like the best of the bunch for getting decent home games.

It might be easier to find a better quality home and home with a Target Field | US Bank | Allianz revenue split, neutral site game. Do it with a large market AAC school so flights would be decent for the away game.
Charlotte, Memphis, Rice, UTSA. It would be a lot easier to get good non conference from the MWC if that wasn’t our best landing spot.

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Rice and Charlotte don't excite me much.

If we join MWC, would expect a couple G5 home and home from MAC, UTEP, NMSU, UMass, UConn type schools.
Maybe Army, but they stay pretty booked up.

Try to get a PAC away P5 game, and a home FCS game against Big Sky or MVFC.
That's sort of the normal formula starting out.

With some luck maybe 5-10 years in we could get a 2-1 or 1-1 with a PAC school.
The AAC schools in part get some better draws because a few have 50k stadiums and are in ACC/SEC land.

ECU, Memphis, SMU, Cincinnati, BYU, UCF are already basically like quasi P5

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Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan

These non conference schedules on FBS Schedules are kind of depressing. AAC looks like the best of the bunch for getting decent home games.

It might be easier to find a better quality home and home with a Target Field | US Bank | Allianz revenue split, neutral site game. Do it with a large market AAC school so flights would be decent for the away game.
Charlotte, Memphis, Rice, UTSA. It would be a lot easier to get good non conference from the MWC if that wasn’t our best landing spot.

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No, what’s depressing has been our non-con for the last 5 years.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

No, what’s depressing has been our non-con for the last 5 years.

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I don’t get this sentiment either. For some it seems like they can only perceive the B1G as an improvement and everything else is a lateral move at best. It just seems so irrational and illogical to me.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Sounds about right. And probably realistically probably finish around your stated rank anyway.

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If we are a consistent top 50ish program with the occasional push for top 25 status there will be renewed excitement around the program.

the GOAL is that G5 CFP spot!!.. that should be NDSUs prime focus!!..

Going 12-0 in Mountain West/CUSA/AAC with 2 Power 5 wins WILL get you into the CFP even if your G5 conference isn't #1

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Originally Posted by MWC

Assuming NDSU moves up to FBS in a G5 conference..Who are the top 5 G5 schools you most want to play?

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I love this question!

I would go with...

Colorado State, Wyoming, Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, Southern Methodist, Air Force, Hawaii, New Mexico, App State, Army (if that counts), Navy...I realize that's twelve. Any of those five would be awesome.

I guess as I look at conference standings, I really like the state flagship schools represented in the Mountain West. They have a great niche product. If we could start a "Plains" conference and have the schools from Montana, Idaho, South Dakota and North Dakota we could be an eastern counterpart to that. A decent conference schedule and lots of good options for OOC games.

When you get to FBS you will get a lot of interesting games over the years. I don't have a top 5 for G5 but are are still a lot of P5 schools I would like to see Nevada play.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

the GOAL is that G5 CFP spot!!.. that should be NDSUs prime focus!!..

Going 12-0 in Mountain West/CUSA/AAC with 2 Power 5 wins WILL get you into the CFP even if your G5 conference isn't #1

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How about just get into a conference and stop with the nonsense. The odds of that happening are slim to fucking none. Get in a conference, be happy it took a decade to get your way, go tailgate, and then go back to message board to rip the living shit out of everything.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I don’t get this sentiment either. For some it seems like they can only perceive the B1G as an improvement and everything else is a lateral move at best. It just seems so irrational and illogical to me.

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I believe that because a large chunk of the G5 is no better than the MVFC. I used the term "bad" or "dogshit" football loosely. The MVFC is full of great athletes and football programs. So are the G5 conferences. There is a lot of bad football teams in each as well.

Y'all might think I'm lying but I'm 100% fine when the FBS move comes. I just don't think it'll push the buttons with a big portion of the fan base (older generation of which NDSU carries a shit load of passionate fans). And then when you get a season where there's 3-4 losses on the schedule by the end of October, the Fargodome will be full of blue seats.

Let it rip to FBS at this rate, fuck it.

I cant wait to see the melt down that happens here when we do FINALLY move up but it's not the conference we wanted that week

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Originally Posted by BISONBRI53

I cant wait to see the melt down that happens here when we do FINALLY move up but it's not the conference we wanted that week

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I say we go FBS indy and then only schedule FCS teams.

That way both camps are happy.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

I believe that because a large chunk of the G5 is no better than the MVFC. I used the term "bad" or "dogshit" football loosely. The MVFC is full of great athletes and football programs. So are the G5 conferences. There is a lot of bad football teams in each as well.

Y'all might think I'm lying but I'm 100% fine when the FBS move comes. I just don't think it'll push the buttons with a big portion of the fan base (older generation of which NDSU carries a shit load of passionate fans). And then when you get a season where there's 3-4 losses on the schedule by the end of October, the Fargodome will be full of blue seats.

Let it rip to FBS at this rate, fuck it.

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I think that is where I get frustrated with your take. I do think that the MVFC is a great FCS conference but in no way is the MVFC top to bottom better than any G5 conference. CUSA included. Not on the field, on the court, in the stands, budget wise. MVFC is more stable than CUSA, I'll acknowledge that. I believe our knowledgeable fanbase knows that. They know that we are going to take some lumps along the way if/when we move to FBS and they also know that we aren't going to be a B1G school but they relish the idea of being the underdog again against those P5 schools. If we move to FBS and go 8-4 consistently and occasionally have the chance at a undefeated or one loss season, the fans will be happy with that. Happier than they currently are being the "bully" in a subdivision that we clearly don't belong in.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I think that is where I get frustrated with your take. I do think that the MVFC is a great FCS conference but in no way is the MVFC top to bottom better than any G5 conference. CUSA included. Not on the field, on the court, in the stands, budget wise. MVFC is more stable than CUSA, I'll acknowledge that. I believe our knowledgeable fanbase knows that. They know that we are going to take some lumps along the way if/when we move to FBS and they also know that we aren't going to be a B1G school but they relish the idea of being the underdog again against those P5 schools. If we move to FBS and go 8-4 consistently and occasionally have the chance at a undefeated or one loss season, the fans will be happy with that. Happier than they currently are being the "bully" in a subdivision that we clearly don't belong in.

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MVFC would be just fine against the CUSA in 2023.

All good. You can be frustrated with my take but that's a big portion of the fans. Do you think a 75 year old 30 year old season ticket holder gives a rats ass about FBS? I quite honestly, do not. They grew up in the NCC days, survived a small stint of the Great West (where seats where readily available), and have had the last decade with a chunk of teams from the old NCC, some good new regional rivals (UNI was great for a minute), and some awesome playoff atmospheres.

A lot of that is going bye bye soon. And yes...people do care about all that, and for whatever reason they get called small minded. I disagree with that take.

It's only a matter of time at this point. All that needs to be answered is the when and where.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

MVFC would be just fine against the CUSA in 2023.

All good. You can be frustrated with my take but that's a big portion of the fans. Do you think a 75 year old 30 year old season ticket holder gives a rats ass about FBS? I quite honestly, do not. They grew up in the NCC days, survived a small stint of the Great West (where seats where readily available), and have had the last decade with a chunk of teams from the old NCC, some good new regional rivals (UNI was great for a minute), and some awesome playoff atmospheres.

A lot of that is going bye bye soon. And yes...people do care about all that, and for whatever reason they get called small minded. I disagree with that take.

It's only a matter of time at this point. All that needs to be answered is the when and where.

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I think a knowledgeable college football fan of any age who sees a team win 9 of 11 championships knows that it likely means that we are playing at the wrong level of football. That sentiment is driving the current attendance and fan engagement erosion. I don't think that sentiment is tied to age or length of season ticket holder status. If someone is intent to hold on to the past knowing that it is limiting the present and future, in my opinion that is small minded. You label it what you want.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I think a knowledgeable college football fan of any age who sees a team win 9 of 11 championships knows that it likely means that we are playing at the wrong level of football. That sentiment is driving the current attendance and fan engagement erosion. I don't think that sentiment is tied to age or length of season ticket holder status. If someone is intent to hold on to the past knowing that it is limiting the present and future, in my opinion that is small minded. You label it what you want.

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I will. The second level of football excites some more than others, that's for sure.

Not directed at any one person, but I think this thread is running in circles. Nobody, and I mean nobody has said NDSU couldn't be competitive in the FBS or that FCS is the best place for us. The fact is we haven't received an invite, and without that nothing happens. We can talk about why we haven't gotten an invite, but it most definitely isn't because people on the internet are arguing. I highly doubt it's because our AD and Pres aren't interested. It's also clear that not all FBS options are equal, and some are arguably worse for NDSU as a whole than what we have now.

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Originally Posted by taper

Not directed at any one person, but I think this thread is running in circles. Nobody, and I mean nobody has said NDSU couldn't be competitive in the FBS or that FCS is the best place for us. The fact is we haven't received an invite, and without that nothing happens. We can talk about why we haven't gotten an invite, but it most definitely isn't because people on the internet are arguing. I highly doubt it's because our AD and Pres aren't interested. It's also clear that not all FBS options are equal, and some are arguably worse for NDSU as a whole than what we have now.

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Bingo

But for some reason some need to keep beating a dead horse.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

the GOAL is that G5 CFP spot!!.. that should be NDSUs prime focus!!..

Going 12-0 in Mountain West/CUSA/AAC with 2 Power 5 wins WILL get you into the CFP even if your G5 conference isn't #1

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Yes, beating Sagarin #124, #141, #184, #189 (out of 131 FBS teams) will surely get us in.
Either you don't understand how this works, or just don't care. :bong:

CUSA has zero chance of getting a CFP bid ... the teams are just that bad. MVFC is better.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Bingo

But for some reason some need to keep beating a dead horse.

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Well that’s just because they don’t know how to fish.