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why do the 2 standing rock fans have so much to say on this thread?

NDSU should of been in the FBS in 2015

hurry up

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Yeah, all it needs is for the tiny FCS schools to get together and agree to cut scholarship maximums at least twice and the resurrection ritual will be complete.

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the same teams that were ready to cut the season short in spring 2021..

NDSU could negotiate a way to keep their current media rights and work with MWC or whoever. win win for both

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Originally Posted by abc123

First off, none of it is going to be apples to apples due to the shell game that is college athletics. That being said, NDSU signed their Learfield deal in 2020. I have no clue why they are reporting it differently but it doesn't change what they are making off of it, regardless of how they report it. So again, where is that $5 million coming from?

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Okay thanks, I’ll trust you over the professionals who’ve been paid millions to compile the data.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

the fact that CFP ANNOUNCED 12 TEAM PLAYOFF WITH 1 G5 GUARANTEED TEAM A MONTH AGO & MATT LARSON/COOK DIDNT RELEASE A STATEMENT SAYING NDSU WANTS IN IS THE SADDEST THING IVE EVER SEEN

bring on the competition...yea right... its a joke

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Do they have a restraining order against you or why haven’t you approached them face to
Face to see why they haven’t gotten us into a FBS conference yet? Get us some answers!

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Do they have a restraining order against you or why haven’t you approached them face to
Face to see why they haven’t gotten us into a FBS conference yet? Get us some answers!

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I don't want to talk to Stony Brook. our reporters have asked & they just give the same ol cliche answers

"we are monitoring blah blah blah"

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

why do the 2 standing rock fans have so much to say on this thread?

NDSU should of been in the FBS in 2015

hurry up

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Why do you?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I don't want to talk to Stony Brook. our reporters have asked & they just give the same ol cliche answers

"we are monitoring blah blah blah"

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:rofl::rofl: Who are you kidding? You'd cum all over yourself if any NDSU admin actually asked your opinion!

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Originally Posted by BISONBRI53

Why do you?

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Because I've been driving the NDSU to FBS bus since 2013 for fuks sake.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Because I've been driving the NDSU to FBS bus since 2013 for fuks sake.

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You been elogging your hrs eh

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Okay thanks, I’ll trust you over the professionals who’ve been paid millions to compile the data.

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Not surprising consider you apparently trust yourself to know what DB is actually thinking over what he's actually on record stating.
And who exactly is getting paid millions to compile the data? All the Knight Commission is doing is aggregating the NCAA Membership Financial Reports, which are put together individually by each school, and making it user friendly. Not all that different than what USA Today or the Office of Postsecondary Education did, they have just taken the extra step to make it more customizable and do more things with it. But that doesn't change that the form they are getting the information from allows for a ton of grey areas on how things are categorized and accounted for by the school when it is being put together.

NDSU's media deal isn't some secret. They sold the rights to Learfield and got $1.85 million for 2020. Someone already gave a likely explanation to why its listed differently (licensing vs. media rights). The numbers of what I stated are correct pretty accurate regardless of how they are reported. So again, where's all this extra revenue coming from if its not fundraising?

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Originally Posted by abc123

Not surprising consider you apparently trust yourself to know what DB is actually thinking over what he's actually on record stating.
And who exactly is getting paid millions to compile the data? All the Knight Commission is doing is aggregating the NCAA Membership Financial Reports, which are put together individually by each school, and making it user friendly. Not all that different than what USA Today or the Office of Postsecondary Education did, they have just taken the extra step to make it more customizable and do more things with it. But that doesn't change that the form they are getting the information from allows for a ton of grey areas on how things are categorized and accounted for by the school when it is being put together.

NDSU's media deal isn't some secret. They sold the rights to Learfield and got $1.85 million for 2020. Someone already gave a likely explanation to why its listed differently (licensing vs. media rights). The numbers of what I stated are correct pretty accurate regardless of how they are reported. So again, where's all this extra revenue coming from if its not fundraising?

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Separate the conference payouts from fundraising in that head of yours. It's two different buckets and we're not talking about the same thing. I don't know how many times I have to tell you.

The comments from Matt Larsen and Dean Bresciani have been that the increase in revenue helps offset the increase in costs (travel, salaries, scholarships, etc.) Is it some big great cash cow? No. Is it a full 1 to 1 replacement? Probably not. Is it more than half? Yes.

It has to be the right conference (hence his point about getting into a situation where there are no additional resources available to us but NDSU is needing to provide the additional resources). Which is why I read his comments to mean CUSA. If I remember correctly this was right after McFeely was probing about if we've been approached by a certain conference that was obviously CUSA. It's the only conference that even fits the description he gave.

I'll make it easy for you then: what's $5.25M minus $1.8M?

A hell of a lot closer to $5M than $0...

We're doing a little better than $1.8M now. It's probably at least $1.8M + 600k conference payout that is shown.
The learfield deal escalates each year, and averages $2.19M (21.9 M over 10 years). Plus there are potential bonuses that could make it more.

The $5.25M is likely the full MWC payout, the media deal portion is closer to $4M

Put that all together and MWC should be a net increase of somewhere between $2 - $2.8M
The other side of the coin is what are the increased costs. The difference would be what we need to make up for with fundraising.

I selected the MWC non-Cali schools, then dollars from donors, conference payouts, institutional dollars, and student fees.
Wow are some of those departments getting school (institution/gov't) dollars.

https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/41355203

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

We're doing a little better than $1.8M now. It's probably at least $1.8M + 600k conference payout that is shown.
The learfield deal escalates each year, and averages $2.19M (21.9 M over 10 years). Plus there are potential bonuses that could make it more.

The $5.25M is likely the full MWC payout, the media deal portion is closer to $4M

Put that all together and MWC should be a net increase of somewhere between $2 - $2.8M
The other side of the coin is what are the increased costs. The difference would be what we need to make up for with fundraising.

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So, apples to apples then is $5.25M - ($1.8M + $0.6M) = $2.85M. Full conference and media payout where we currently are vs. what it is for Mountain West schools.

We're looking at present-day, which is the only way to look at it unless you want to get a finance team involved. You can't project out future Learfield payments without accounting for future increases in the MW deal that will get revised in 2026. For instance, when the MW just re-upped two years ago their school payout went up 4x.

Now you're getting it.

You said NDSU needs to add $5M day 1 and they don't need to increase giving if there is revenue to offset it.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

We're talking something of the order of $5M increase on Day 1. No glaring need to increase the level of giving that is already taking place.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Adding costs isn't a problem if you're adding revenue to offset them..

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The math shows that only a little over $2-3 million (at this point in time) would be coming from the conference and media payouts.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

So, apples to apples then is $5.25M - ($1.8M + $0.6M) = $2.85M. Full conference and media payout where we currently are vs. what it is for Mountain West schools.

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So where does the $2M+ difference in the increase in annual baseline revenues come from if not from increased donations (which the outgoing president is on record saying he feels is almost tapped out)?
Do you really think it is realistic that if NDSU was invited to the MWC (which would likely assume that some of its bigger schools are gone) that somehow a new media contract is going to increase that much to cover that?

watching these 2 worry about ndsu leaving again is too cute
you're not only behind ndsu.. but sdsu uni usd ysu I'll state aSIU & Montana schools

go compare yourself to NSIC schools who 90% of your recruiting classes get offers from.


If NDSU is announcing a MWC move tomorrow, the cash would flow .....

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Originally Posted by abc123

Now you're getting it.

You said NDSU needs to add $5M day 1 and they don't need to increase giving if there is revenue to offset it.




The math shows that only a little over $2-3 million (at this point in time) would be coming from the conference and media payouts.


So where does the $2M+ difference in the increase in annual baseline revenues come from if not from increased donations (which the outgoing president is on record saying he feels is almost tapped out)?
Do you really think it is realistic that if NDSU was invited to the MWC (which would likely assume that some of its bigger schools are gone) that somehow a new media contract is going to increase that much to cover that?

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I’ll go on record saying that “donations” are not tapped out. They’re not going to have to fundraise for a 50 million dollar practice facility all of the time. If they reallocate those dollars, that’s probably 15 years worth of minimum funding even with inflation. If they can make a push to get all athletic scholarships endowed then then the annual donations can go toward operations more. There is more. There needs to be excitement in order to tap into it.

I'm ready to pay my share.

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Originally Posted by No_Skill

I'm ready to pay my share.

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Me too. And we’re not alone.

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Originally Posted by No_Skill

I'm ready to pay my share.

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Originally Posted by abc123

Now you're getting it.

You said NDSU needs to add $5M day 1 and they don't need to increase giving if there is revenue to offset it.




The math shows that only a little over $2-3 million (at this point in time) would be coming from the conference and media payouts.


So where does the $2M+ difference in the increase in annual baseline revenues come from if not from increased donations (which the outgoing president is on record saying he feels is almost tapped out)?
Do you really think it is realistic that if NDSU was invited to the MWC (which would likely assume that some of its bigger schools are gone) that somehow a new media contract is going to increase that much to cover that?

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Lol I’m going to stop responding because you’re either just trolling or you’re trying to have a conversation but are unable to read. I didn’t say we needed $5M day one. What I said was that we’d be looking at that on day one. NDSU’s first year in the MW our revenue would be up $5M compared to where it is today. The majority of it coming from conference revenue which you so helpfully calculated for us.

Hell we’d probably get close to the rest of the way there just from getting yearly (hopefully multiple) P5 games.

But like I said I’m probably done with this debate. I’m going to be optimistic and you’re going to continue praying NDSU doesn’t leave UND in the dust. Not like we’re going to convince the other to change their mind.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

Me too. And we’re not alone.

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There certainly are a lot of us with that thinking

It isn’t a question if NDSU can afford FBS, it a question which conference let’s us in. MAC, MWC and a FBS MCFC are our only feasible possibilities. None are imminent unfortunately but it will happen eventually….. just got to be patient and not burn out our fan base with high hopes of FBS now or never talk! FCS will just have to do until it all works out

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

It isn’t a question if NDSU can afford FBS, it a question which conference let’s us in. MAC, MWC and a FBS MCFC are our only feasible possibilities. None are imminent unfortunately but it will happen eventually….. just got to be patient and not burn out our fan base with high hopes of FBS now or never talk! FCS will just have to do until it all works out

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See, I feel differently. FCS isn’t enough. I just hope we don’t lose too much before we’re able to reach FBS.

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Originally Posted by abc123

Now you're getting it.

You said NDSU needs to add $5M day 1 and they don't need to increase giving if there is revenue to offset it.




The math shows that only a little over $2-3 million (at this point in time) would be coming from the conference and media payouts.


So where does the $2M+ difference in the increase in annual baseline revenues come from if not from increased donations (which the outgoing president is on record saying he feels is almost tapped out)?
Do you really think it is realistic that if NDSU was invited to the MWC (which would likely assume that some of its bigger schools are gone) that somehow a new media contract is going to increase that much to cover that?

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The fact that you are so against NDSU going FBS is reason number one to do it.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

See, I feel differently. FCS isn’t enough. I just hope we don’t lose too much before we’re able to reach FBS.

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No just be patient and don’t burn people out with FBS talk

Lol

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

There certainly are a lot of us with that thinking

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I can name 50-100 fans that would be back & donating in a heartbeat IF NDSU was FBS. they won't donate at fcs level and I agree with them

and the ndsu admin should be fired if they can't recognize & realize that NDSU has plateaud... we can't do ANY better in fcs than 152 -13 9 titles for fu<KS sake.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I can name 50-100 fans that would be back & donating in a heartbeat IF NDSU was FBS. they won't donate at fcs level and I agree with them

and the ndsu admin should be fired if they can't recognize & realize that NDSU has plateaud... we can't do ANY better in fcs than 152 -13 9 titles for fu<KS sake.

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You’re not wrong.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

No just be patient and don’t burn people out with FBS talk

Lol

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If I don’t tell my wife there’s anything better than she’ll believe me that Applebees is great��

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I can name 50-100 fans that would be back & donating in a heartbeat IF NDSU was FBS. they won't donate at fcs level and I agree with them

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So you, your uncle, your kids ... awesome way to support the program.
That will propel us to FBS for sure!

If everyone just stopped donating, we'd be fbs tomorrow :facepalm:
Glad the Blattner's don't feel this way.

JMU could very likely run the table in their first season in fbs. How cool would that be.

sitting at that game & watching the fans in the stands.... we totally need FBS. there was 0 buzz today. so lame

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

No just be patient and don’t burn people out with FBS talk

Lol

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I sure doesn’t help to be blabbering about FBS when it is really out of our hands. NDSU isn’t FCS by choice…..

Do do do do do do do do do do you know the way to beat San Jose eh

Shut up Scottie the pudding ain't done.

Anybody just lip read bohl there eh

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

I sure doesn’t help to be blabbering about FBS when it is really out of our hands. NDSU isn’t FCS by choice…..

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Victim mentality! NDSU hasn’t been forced to be FCS either.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

Victim mentality! NDSU hasn’t been forced to be FCS either.

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Where was the fbs opportunity that isn't program suicide?

There's only 2 conferences that present a reasonable opportunity. With travel and finances considered, maybe only 1

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

I sure doesn’t help to be blabbering about FBS when it is really out of our hands. NDSU isn’t FCS by choice…..

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Lol speaking of blabbering