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When UND was in the Big Sky, one complaint I heard was about how late all of the away games were. If NDSU were to go to the MWC, won't that be the same issue? In the short term people will be fired up and not care, but it seems like a long term issue. I'm not staying up until 1:00 am to watch NDSU kick the crap out of another garbage Mountain West team. Although their basketball is good enough to justify the lack of sleep.
More unrealistic Chapo hyper math at work. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I don’t think 5-10k of our fans could afford to travel to every road game but we would probably have more fans than most of the teams. Every week in the MWC won’t be a super bowl like it was yesterday. We may see 5-10k for P5 non conference games though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
That's a good point. Once or twice a year like Arizona and Frisco is very different than every other week.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
We'd probably get a couple good turnouts for destinations like Vegas though.
Half the games are at home. Load up non-con with regional games. Same for all sports
The FCS doesn't make moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
True but they lose less money thanks to the Bison and a couple other teams who have loaded up Frisco and had decent crowds at the games they hosted the last 11 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Chapo is way off. NDSU can send 10-20 thousand fans to one or two games per year (FBS opponent and FCS championship) but many fans won't travel to every away game.
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Originally Posted by MWC
8 years. some are still waiting for that imaginary splitQuote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
After all is said and done that game last night was pretty exciting. I’m still pissed we lost but if we got to play teams like that on the regular I’d be ok with a few losses…. (Spread over a couple of years) But in all seriousness, watching our buys compete and having more than a chance to beat P5 teams is pretty great. Please get us up to the FBS and at least have 1-2 P5 teams every year in OOC. Can’t win em all but sure as hell can try.
Go Bison
Attended A MAC game last night at Western Michigan. They were hosting #23 Pitt. They've hosted a few P5 schools but it didn't seem like it was a big deal to them. There wasn't much of a tailgate scene but they did have shuttle busses from the tailgate lots since there isn't much parking next to the stadium.
They had a Chase Bryant concert before the game and a lot of fun activities for kids. The marching band performed before the game and was very good. The home team is opposite the press box but entire bleacher section behind them from end zone to end zone is GA with mostly students. It was pretty full. Our son was able to get us tickets there for $15 each. We sat away from the student on about the 15 yard line with a pretty good view. Most seats are bleachers but they had seat backs to rent for $8.
They announced a legitimate crowd of 22k in a 30k seat stadium. There was no track and the stands were very close to the field. Seemed similar to the Fargodome.
The students were into it the first half but like most fans many left at halftime. It was a night game and the second half started about 9:45. Peak party starting time! They were only down 13-6 so it was still a game. It was 20-13 early in the 4th before Pitt pulled away to win 34-13.
It was a fun atmosphere and one I think most Bison fans would enjoy. Not every MAC game is a Tuesday night in November.
The first photo is before the game. The crowd filled in more before kickoff. The good on either side were filled with kids playing and some sitting. The next photo is the view from our $15 seats. The third photo is their IPF which was just beyond the end zone. They had bleachers between the field and IPF with suites at the top that I assume overlooked the practice facility as well. The last photo shows the entire student section behind the home team.
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Love the bleachers built into the side hill. Thanks for sharing, Indy.
That WMU / MAC attendance is FAR better than you see at many cusa stadiums like Charlotte, FIU, etc.
I really think MAC could work, though would prefer they have less weekday games, some of those are pretty dead. It does help generate media money and exposure though.
I think the most midweek home games any team has is 2. I checked this year and 6 of the 12 teams have 2 the rest have 1 or none (Buffalo). And yes most of the MAC games are poorly attended. Probably depends on the opponent, timing (i.e. home opener, homecoming), and success of the team that year. There is no consistent good team year to year to build up that consistent fan base.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
And people do love MAC-tion. I believe they get decent numbers watching and other than the empty stadiums they get good exposure.
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UND's Big Sky experience, although not FBS, is a useful model for comparison to MWC aspirations:
- all air travel for all teams to all conference games
- 10 pm start times
- unfamiliar opponents for home contests
None of those were a benefit.
I still say the better approach for FBS would be to "build it yourself" (the Great West model): Find a group of northern schools that want to step away from the Murray States and Utah Techs. The right group would be better than the MAC (academically and athletically) at the start.
Which northern schools are you thinking of Sic?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
The usual suspects in this conversation: Dakota 4, Montanas, Idaho. Basically peal the top publics from between the Mississippi River and Rockies from the MVFC and BSC. That group is as good or better than the MAC, academics or athletics.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
The wild fantasy would be to bring Wyoming into the mix.
None of that can happen however: Montanas and Idaho want to recruit in CA; Wyoming will never choose to leave the MWC.
As much as a I hate to agree with you (ha!), this is what makes the most sense to me, too...good blend academically, good footprint...you're right too on the chances of it happening, sadly...Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Good Lord! Peal? That's the ringing of bells.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
PEEL.
It must've been the TV on in the other room with the Queen's funeral and that incessant clanging. Surprised tony didn't get me on that one before I found it.
For many reasons, but most notably $$. Best for a state like ND to just put one school forward to move upQuote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
What sport is that group better than the MAC in? Maybe football, all others not even close. Much better to take the XDSU's and Montanas and package them as a division to either the MW or the MAC. THOSE four schools would be an upgrade to either conference, and it would make the conference stable as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
USD as an FBS program lol
UND as an FBS program lol
But yeah, in any case very very unlikely any of that is happening. UND has a lot, and I mean A LOT, of stuff to figure out before they're in any position to be going anywhere. UND and USD fit in very well in a MVFC sans NDSU and SDSU
Isn't that the only sport that matters?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
NDSU and SDSU would be solid adds to MAC wrestling. Our T/F and softball should be competitive. The others all have a few sports that certainly wouldn't embarrass themselves. We'd all have some general program building to do in either the MWC or MAC.
Football and M bball are the money makers. All the rest are brand-builders.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Oh and hockey
Certainly not "better than the MAC athletically" though
In retail I believe the phrase is "loss leaders".Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Football and Basketball are the two most FBS conferences care about most.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Some of the southern oriented conferences also make good money on baseball attendance.
Schools like ECU, USM and Texas St have P5 level baseball programs and draw thousands of fans.
They care about conference SOS for baseball more than north/western conferences.
But, I really doubt any of those southern oriented conferences (AAC, SBC, CUSA) are where we are headed.
In summary, our goal for the non-revenue sports is to be in a place where if we get invited to the Mountain West we don't have to worry about getting last place in the conference in 6 of the 9 sports we play in a single year.
Like UND did. Last year. In the Summit. A mediocre conference. In almost every sport.
Incarnate Word maybe then.
This man strikes me as pretty smart. UMary/NotreDame grad. Hoops guy
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SMCHS and Umary grad therefore big Notre Dame fan. Yes...I think we can all acknowledge that. Also the comments within the thread seem to be similar to concerns brought up here. It'll come in due time.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Good post, it would be nice. Wyoming is going to be in the MWC for a long time. The Northern tier conference concept would pose more risk for the Pokes than remaining where they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Wyoming is collaborating with some of the Dakota schools now. I'd like to see that alliance become the basis for something like the BTAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by WYOBISONMAN
Correct, NDSU was just awarded the lead for a regional NSF I-Corps Hub in the upper great plainsQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
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But back to FB, here’s my question – who is going to pay for all 4 Dakota schools to go FBS?
The problem with your vision is that it has emotional appeal to the local homies but zero chance of ever happening, so it sets a false standard that holds us back
Yeah, the only times UND and USD probably need to get mentioned in this thread is regarding whether or not their alumni in the state govts have the ability to kill NDSU/SDSU moving away from MVFC/Summit.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
NDSU alone, that's the only wayQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Some think we can't go without SDSU, some think we can't go with SDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I truly don't care either way. Let's just make it happen
well yea at this point. but SDSU Pres AD & Stig have all said NO. (because they are smart enough to know they are a basketball school & they could never compete at FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
NDSU alone, then you treat the other 3 Dakota schools and UNI as your minor leagues... pull up 1-2 studs a year from each & voila
Only if they have enough stars and aren't from Moorhead... ya know cuz soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
If MAC schools can be FBS I don’t see why the top MVFC can’t also become FBS….Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Remember when UN_ thought we couldn't go without them either.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92