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Ya, the risk to the athletic department is just as great staying FCS as it is going FBS. However, to me staying FCS feels like giving up. I guess I’d rather fail striving for higher aspirations than failing to even try.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Let's hope this isn't Larson and Cook's thinking these days. Here's from Q and A with SB Nation's Jared Miller about the Bison game this week. This is why, if we intend to go FBS, we need be public about it and put this underachieving, short-sighted thinking to rest.
"The Bison haven’t lost more than two games in a season in more than a decade, have beaten six straight FBS opponents and have sent their last two head coaches to FBS jobs. Why hasn’t this program moved up from FCS?"
“There’s a lot that goes into that question and believe me, it’s an age-old one as far as the FCS is concerned. Fans cry for it every year but the truth is, there’s more to it than just the wins and losses. First and foremost, NDSU would need to receive an official invite to an FBS conference for a move up to even be a possibility. As of now they have not received one. Even if they did, it would have to make sense for the program to accept one. The first hurdle is geography and right now the only two conferences that seem viable for them would be the MAC or the Mountain West. The Pac-12 will probably not be sending out any FCS invites soon, even to a program like North Dakota State. Let’s say they did get a call from the Mountain West, though, for example; NDSU would be a physical outlier and travel isn’t cheap. The financials say annual trips coming/going to Hawaii, Fresno State, San Diego State, etc. aren’t worth it. Finally, at the end of the day, the Bison likely aren’t going to want to give up the good thing they have going in the FCS where playoff trips are all but guaranteed and national titles are right there for the taking. Why give that up when the best option in the FBS is likely a mid-tier bowl game at best? They’re the cream of the crop right now and they know not to bite the hand that feeds them.”
Actually, I think the risk of staying FCS is much greater and I don't think its even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Agreed, at this point it is giving up. That said, I guess some want to sit around and hold SDSU's hand forever because our athletic department would crumble without our precious regional rivals. I could give two shits if we ever played UND or USD again...I want SDSU to go up with us but I am not going to let them decide what is best for our program if it has to come down to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
I too believe the risk is greater staying FCS. But neither is going to kill the athletic department or school. That’s complete hyperbole. A big part College sports is to provide marketing and keep alumni connected with the school. That is most effective when there is excitement around the athletic programs. The excitement around football is waning staying FCS. Just seems like a complete waste to me to not try to capitalize on all of the success and all the other factors that make NDSU unique. There are obviously obstacles. None of them are insurmountable. What’s the worst that could happen if we move up? Umass? Idaho? That doesn’t seem any scarier than staying FCS and becoming Youngstown or Delaware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Staying FCS won’t kill the athletic department but I do see NDSU’s reputation locally and nationally withering away slowly due to the big fish in a small pond narrative.
We need to be invasive eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
Yep. The more we win in FCS, the less remarkable it is perceived to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
And what makes fbs compelling is a shot at the Roady's Humanitarian Bowl?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
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Getting a playoff spot, not sure it gets any more compelling than that possibility. With expansion in the works, the opportunity is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cx500d
I will add the Roady's bowl or porta potty bowl or whatever is just as compelling to me as playing for another FCS title that is becoming more and more watered down with every year.
No you’re only allowed to believe that 7-5 is our ceiling if we go FBSQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
More chances for games against P5 and upper echelon G5 competition. And yes a chance at bowl games that have as much interest or more than Frisco. Let’s face it without NDSU, all of those Frisco games would have had less than 10k attendance. That’s comparable to the bowls everyone likes to make fun of here. What makes FCS compelling?Quote:
Originally Posted by cx500d
It is sad how little they think of our program's potential considering how much we already have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I agree when it comes to football. Our other teams will suffer if they are not in a regional conference. Maybe that’s why NDSU hasn’t move me up? A MWC football only invite would be the best scenario for the entire athletic department. I just don’t see think any G5 conference is going to be offering up a football only invite.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I would argue the best case scenario would be joining the MWC with SDSU and the Montana schools for all sports. Could also argue for NDSU and SDSU to the MAC as well. Putting the majority of our sports in one conference I think would have a positive impact and that would give us plenty of rivals. After that a football only spot would ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
At the end of the day, the other sports should be suffering before football has to bite the bullet for basketball and volleyball. A change in conference really only affects those sports, the others either travel all the time(baseball and softball) or don't rely on a conference schedule(track, golf, and cross country).
Or maybe they’ll continue to grow and progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
This should be taken as fact by anyone familiar with NDSU footballQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
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That is true, MWC is a more pretigious brand to sell which presents an opportunity to set ourselves apart from other regional schools. This wouldn't be the same as UND in the Big Sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Other than the covid year, the last 5 FCS championship games without NDSU had 13k to 23k attendees. Multiple in the past had higher attendance than any of ours. But hey, don't let facts get in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
I just don’t think any G5 conference wants all of our athletic teams to join their conference because it is not just a travel burden for us but for all schools. I just think a football only invite is more likely than a full invite. These issues do not exist for football.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Who knew there was a thing to win too much! Such a thing as too much success! Crazy to think about really! I really do think the CUSA will bore our fan base the same as the MVFC. Our non conference games could make up for that bore fest but will those games be enough if we can actually schedule decent opponents?Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
I think that really depends on the conference, the MWC and MAC for instance are two very different conference one is a bus league the other is very much not. CUSA is kind of a mess but it is such a mess they may just give us a football only spot in hopes that maybe we can lure other regional schools to join and eventually create a pod.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
The other sports suffering will be a burden to the football team.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Funny you bring up creating a pod in the CUSA. In my opinion the best chance to move up to the FBS is to bring a pod of teams with us to the CUSA. Creating a north division is more appealing and stable than the rest of the CUSA. Honestly wouldn’t be superior this is how we move up. No other G5 needs to add teams so CUSA is the most likely scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Facts? If you take out the COVID year, there has been one game, 2016, that didn’t involve NDSU. Prior to that you’re talking about 2010. Look at the list of fanbases that made up those games. Most of them are now FBS. It seems to me that FACT is missing from your story. Is Marshall, App St, Georgia Southern, JMU going to return to help produce those attendance figures? What exactly are you scared of? I’ll ask it again, is it really any scarier to be UMass or Idaho than to be Youngstown or Delaware?Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
No they won’t. The football program suffering declining attendance is far likelier to be a burden to the other sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
NDSU already subsidizes the MVFC the FCS and our regional foes for tickets & fundraising.
NDSU is being whored out, it's time to pimp baby!!
go PUBLIC NOW and say "NDSU IS A FBS PROGRAM & WE WI HELP YOUR CONFERENCE RANKING TO WIN THAG ELUSIVE G5 CFP SPOT"
BOOM. THATS IT
staying fcs and platueing is already happening folks.
Hi, my name is manipulate information to support my point. What’s yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Was there a difference to championship games prior to 2010 that would make your claim invalid? Gee I wonder…
This! So much This!Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Since when is presenting historical facts manipulating info? One guy said nobody but us would bring more than 10k, which is just plain wrong. Once again you guys attack the messenger instead of admitting you're pulling stuff out your ass to convince others to support your view. It’s scary to think what this thread would look like if a few of us weren't here to challenge your BS. You'd probably have convinced each other our AD sent all the FBS commissioners a box of his own waste with a note on what to do with it, and that's why we don't have an invite.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
no our AD is from Stony Brook a tiny lame ass school and wakes up everyday thanking his lucky stats he somehow got this cushy job handed to him after Gene Taylor had it running smoothly for years
he has no ambition or desire to go FBS because he would probably be exposed.
he just wants to ride this out for 8-10 more years & retire
we need brass balls of steel & a salesman, not a east coast chumbalone
Oh sorry, I just thought that the FCS championship game was held in a different stadium before 2010. I thought it was held in some team’s home stadium, and I thought it had a higher capacity than Toyota Stadium. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
As the keeper of facts and history, could you please show us a historical example of a current FCS team who has brought more than 10k to a championship game?
We really appreciate your service taper. What would we ever do without you
Is this really the hill you want to die on? Attendance is really easy to find and the claim they wouldn't get 10k without us is flat out wrong. I don't know what you're trying to do here but I'm not playing your game.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
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Originally Posted by NDSU92
Teams and sites since ‘78…no attendance numbers:
https://www.collegefootballpoll.com/...tory--updated/
https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-955494.html
Pretty crazy idea but not that far-fetched. All they (FBS/NCAA) would have to do is lay down standards and enforce them. Quite honestly, it sounds like they are planning exactly this right now. I think it would be good for the FBS division of CFB to set a decent bar for admission and hold it, and it certainly keeps the payouts higher.
Something like a combination of attendance, recent FCS titles, and budget/facilities. Narrows down the field right fast …
As for a northern tier of CUSA, hard to see who beyond the Bison would interested/worthy. The only others that are really at all conceivable are SDSU, Montana, and Montana State, and it isn't clear to me that these programs want it right now. They need to win a few titles ...
What a day for Bison Football. Go Bison!!! Gonna be a late night
Yeah no mention of Craig Bohl or Matt Entz on GameDay for potential Nebraska candidates eh.
Too big of a job for Entz, Bohl is practically retirement age at this point. Klieman is more likely in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
Yeah bro eh. Think I read here somewhere they should be candidates eh. Espn don't seem to agree. Just reporting back some facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
There's not an AD in the universe who would've got NDSU into FBS by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I actually can't wait for Mr. Larson to make the announcement for FBS and just toss his crank down your throat.
There seems to be a false belief here that CUSA "needs" more than 9 teams. They don't and seem content to hold with what they have. Ten would not be better. Right now, more members for CUSA means even less money per member, and they are already short on cash/revenue. They don't seem at all motivated to expand, and if they do the shortlist seems to be schools like Tarleton, SFA, Kennesaw and maybe Missouri St (who seems more interested in SBC). Even CUSA is looking at the geographical fit and looking to reduce travel to the extent they can. It's a significant expense for low revenue conferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
For football, 9 teams lets every team play every other team once and have 8 conference games.
In FBS realignment circles, 9 and 14 are actually seen as ideal for scheduling purposes.
16+ is seen as a risk of causing conference splits as has happened in the past. Conferences like AAC have made odd numbers like 11 work, though it isn't seen as ideal for football scheduling.