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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

NDSU is R1 with serious momentum on that front, just for the record ...

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NDSU just rolled a #285 from US News. At least it's not last in the Dakotas and better than the bottom of the MWC (Boise State).

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...tDirection=asc

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

NDSU just rolled a #285 from US News. At least it's not last in the Dakotas and better than the bottom of the MWC (Boise State).

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...tDirection=asc

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You mean the ranking that no one believes and is under the gun for being BS? Carnegie is all you need for the truth ...

But you don’t want to play this game here, lest I start pulling up public stats that you will find most unflattering. It’s not your board anyway, little brother ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...rankings-2023/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...lege-rankings/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...rankings-2023/

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Originally Posted by oldmantutters

With everything that's gone down over the past ~two years, it wouldn't surprise me if NDSU somehow ended up in the Big 12. Obviously I don't mean the current Big 12. I just wouldn't be surprised if there's still a massive shake up that happens and the Big 12 is the victim. The footprint stays similar but the schools are totally different. Pipe dream would be TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, SDSU, NDSU, Wichita State kind of staying along that I-29/I-35 corridor.

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I think this has a chance of happening too but they need to get to FBS first and foremost that's why I'd be willing to go Indy at this point if need be just to have a seat at the table. The Power 5 is trying to get to 16 teams per conference. The B1G and SEC are there. The ACC needs 1. The B12 is going to need at least 4 more schools at some point. The PAC 12 will need 6. Gotta get our foot in the door to make it happen!

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

So you don't see that perspective changing now with the expanded CFB playoff and the potential windfall of making it in as a G5? Details still TBD, but all that matters on that front is how good your FB program is

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I would also argue that the biggest reason to add UConn and UMass would be their basketball program not their football. That's likely why CUSA didn't want them for football only.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

You mean the ranking that no one believes and is under the gun for being BS? Carnegie is all you need for the truth ...

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Forbes?

Carnegie over-rates uncompetitive (no bidding) research dollars. AAU is the gold-standard club to shoot for as they look at competitive and non-competitive bid research dollars.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Forbes?

Carnegie over-rates uncompetitive (no bidding) research dollars. AAU is the gold-standard club to shoot for as they look at competitive and non-competitive bid research dollars.

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Nice smoke screen

Try these

https://cwur.org/2022-23.php

I see you climbed a little. Guessing you had to lobby hard for that ...

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Nice smoke screen

Try these

https://cwur.org/2022-23.php

I see you climbed a little. Guessing you had to lobby hard for that ...

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A UAE based survey, quite a stretch. How long you out with that pulled hammy?

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

A UAE based survey, quite a stretch. How long you out with that pulled hammy?

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I’m at full speed now. Thanks for asking. Just ran 3 miles this AM, along with 50 pull ups and 120 situps …

It’s not a .com, so it reflects the actual data you would find in journal citation reports etc. ... as opposed to lobbying

I find it amusing that you come on to our board to throw shit at the fact that NDSU is R1 and you are not. I would say that’s a reflection on you, not me

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Originally Posted by taper

Travel partners have been a mainstay of collegiate athletics since the start. If you say you don't understand that maybe you should consider you don't actually understand anything. Just look at the schools that went without partners and how they did. I absolutely do not want that level of failure to happen to NDSU. Maybe your ego thinks otherwise, but you do you.

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Some things never change with your kind

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

Some things never change with your kind

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Like common sense?

Or the crowd saying "let's take Hawaii's spot."

Jesus christ.

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Originally Posted by taper

Travel partners have been a mainstay of collegiate athletics since the start. If you say you don't understand that maybe you should consider you don't actually understand anything. Just look at the schools that went without partners and how they did. I absolutely do not want that level of failure to happen to NDSU. Maybe your ego thinks otherwise, but you do you.

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Like...you mean the entire history of the NCAAs? Yeah we're the dumb one's taper.

Even though we are for FBS...just the right fit.

But we are "hoople." Funny which side the derogatory bullshit comes from isn't it.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Like common sense?

Or the crowd saying "let's take Hawaii's spot."

Jesus christ.

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It's funny how you and your twin reply right on cue. Thanks for proving my point that some things never change.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

It's funny how you and your twin reply right on cue. Thanks for proving my point that some things never change.

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Yet you’re still here with zero takes that make sense. Makes everyone mad and sad to bring up geography.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

So you don't see that perspective changing now with the expanded CFB playoff and the potential windfall of making it in as a G5? Details still TBD, but all that matters on that front is how good your FB program is

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Nope, I really don't think the conferences will change that view on all sports membership, but would love to be proven wrong. Some of them (AAC and CUSA) like to brag about their basketball and care about that also. MAC to a lesser degree. And I think even the football centric SBC will be hesitant to add someone who only brings competition for that CFP bid. This might make a move anywhere harder, but especially if they aren't backfilling a vacancy.

The thing to remember here is you are also asking a conference like CUSA to split their CFP payout (all conferences get a slice) more ways, thus asking them to take a paycut on one of their few revenue sources. Probably less significant with a conference that has a good media deal.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Nope, I really don't think the conferences will change that view on all sports membership, but would love to be proven wrong. Some of them (AAC and CUSA) like to brag about their basketball and care about that also. MAC to a lesser degree. And I think even the football centric SBC will be hesitant to add someone who only brings competition for that CFP bid. This might make a move anywhere harder, but especially if they aren't backfilling a vacancy.

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It is interesting that while endorsing staying with the NCAA, they pointed to not breaking the other sports away from FB. But $$ talks. We'll see. They have a bit left to sort out yet ...

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Yet you’re still here with zero takes that make sense. Makes everyone mad and sad to bring up geography.

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To you anyone who wants to move up makes zero sense.

If the MWC or MAC offers, I don't give a single damn if we have travel partner but the FCS forever crew will be clinging to the ambitionless SDSU if that happens.

this is fucking ridiculous

in 2024 the CFP WILL TAKE A G5

NDSU NEEDS TO BE IN A G5 IN 2 YEARS.

OR FIRE MATT LARSON/DAVID COOK ON THE SPOT

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

If the MWC or MAC offers, I don't give a single damn if we have travel partner but the FCS forever crew will be clinging to the ambitionless SDSU if that happens.

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Actually clinging to the "if the MWC or MAC offers" because as of right now, they literally have zero reason too.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this is fucking ridiculous

in 2024 the CFP WILL TAKE A G5

NDSU NEEDS TO BE IN A G5 IN 2 YEARS.

OR FIRE MATT LARSON/DAVID COOK ON THE SPOT

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2024. That's CUSA then. And there's not a CUSA team that'll be near that playoff spot. Which - if that's what NDSU needs to do - so be it.

What's going down with all the other NDSU sports when that happens. I guess I don't care, just curious.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

To you anyone who wants to move up makes zero sense.

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Exactly. Move up to move up. Disregard the rest of the entire foundation of NCAA sports. lol

SunBelt? they did a times Square advertising takeover today haha

https://twitter.com/SunBelt/status/1...qtuk3Snx1NTETQ

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Like common sense?

Or the crowd saying "let's take Hawaii's spot."

Jesus christ.

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There’s not a “crowd” saying let’s take Hawaii’s spot. There is me pointing out that they are a shitty FB program and I don’t know what the hell they’re doing in the Mountain West.

I have stated that we’re not going to take hawaiis spot. Don’t put words in peoples mouths…

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Originally Posted by MWC

The MW commissioner has very little to no say about the direction or make up of the MW..The presidents decide everything. Thompson was on the committee that established the 12 team playoff. That is his most significant accomplishment. No new commissioner is going to look at you any differently than they do now..If the presidents want you, you will receive an invitation.

It is very unlikely that any member would get kicked out of the conference. Things get decided by academics. Football prowess is nice but they have lots of things to value besides sports.

Having Hawaii in the conference does not impact the other schools financially. Only 4 MW schools per season fly out there for football and they are subsidized to do so. Hawaii makes it work for them because they have their own tv network that pays them along with what they get from the MW.

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Conference commissioners don’t make executive decisions without approval of the presidents. But they do heavily influence the direction of the conference when it comes to media contracts, vision for the future, etc. Commissioners have important jobs and they get paid and blamed on the trajectory of the conference under their direction. Look at the P12, B12, B10 and SEC. Their commissioners are household names. Craig Thompson was another because of his tenure.

I’ll caveat what I say because certain folks love twisting words and reading things that aren’t there: I don’t expect a major change. But the conference has a new leader for the first time in almost 30 years. There will be some change, albeit likely subtle and nuanced.

I would guess that a major bullet point for the next commissioner will be trying to position the mountain west to make the CFP. There is one school sitting out there that can help with that immediately.

Thompson can advise and does..However, they executive committee, which changes every year, makes recommendations that they bring to a vote to all the presidents. Thompson acts as the conference spokesperson with tv negotiations, NCAA matters etc but he only takes positions voted on by the presidents. A new commissioner might seek more powers but it seems unlikely that would be granted.

Thompson has been the commissioner for 23 years but before that he was the Sun Belt commissioner for 8 years. I don't know how attractive this job will be but I would guess we will likely hire someone who has not been a commissioner before. Just a hunch..I think the new hire could well be a woman.

Anyhoo, in regards to NDSU, nothing really changes. If the presidents want you, they will invite you.

Under a scenario where the conference loses a couple of members and wishes to back fill, they would likely look to all sports applicants first because they would be losing all sports members.

I have exactly no idea how that affects your chances one way or the other..

this NDSU / ARIZONA matchup was an opportunity for our AD and PRESIDENT to ACT like a FBS program and put some feelers out there, make some calls.

SHIT I would of invited some mountain west presidents to come witness a NDSU fan takeover and show that NDSU could bring 10,000 fans to a Boise St, Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State game on a random saturday.


with the NEW CFP G5 PLAYOFF SPOT OPENING UP IN 2 YEARS NDSU HAS TO BE IN THAT PERIOD!

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Originally Posted by MWC

I don't know how attractive this job will be but I would guess we will likely hire someone who has not been a commissioner before. Just a hunch..I think the new hire could well be a woman.

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I would not bet against that.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

I would not bet against that.

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Patty Vivarito bringing NDSU to the MWC, confirmed.

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Originally Posted by oldmantutters

Patty Vivarito bringing NDSU to the MWC, confirmed.

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Nah, Judy MacLeod might be looking for a job soon and she has a proven track record of rebuilding a conference after losing teams.

NDSU FBS VIDEO. LETS GOO

https://fb.watch/fAzD7G52I0/

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

There’s not a “crowd” saying let’s take Hawaii’s spot. There is me pointing out that they are a shitty FB program and I don’t know what the hell they’re doing in the Mountain West.

I have stated that we’re not going to take hawaiis spot. Don’t put words in peoples mouths…

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Like calling people the "FCS forever crowd"? Same thing. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this NDSU / ARIZONA matchup was an opportunity for our AD and PRESIDENT to ACT like a FBS program and put some feelers out there, make some calls.

SHIT I would of invited some mountain west presidents to come witness a NDSU fan takeover and show that NDSU could bring 10,000 fans to a Boise St, Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State game on a random saturday.


with the NEW CFP G5 PLAYOFF SPOT OPENING UP IN 2 YEARS NDSU HAS TO BE IN THAT PERIOD!

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I don't know how to break this news to you but they know fully god damn well who NDSU is and what they bring to the table. Saturday will be nothing new to anyone.

In the 2021-22 realignment, 16 out of 25 football conferences had changes. Just 3 of those ended up with an odd number of teams.
ASUN with 5 who thought they had 6 but is actively looking for another after JSU left and is currently in a scheduling alliance with the WAC.
CAA which who knows what they're doing with 15.
CUSA with 9 and anybody who could fog a mirror.
EVERYONE else took an even number. If we want to go MWC or MAC, who will be the other team to keep an even number for scheduling purposes?
Sure, CUSA needs just 1, but holy hell no. The current CUSA is awful and most definitely a step down.

After this season, the MW will no longer have divisions or a need for an even number.

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Originally Posted by taper

In the 2021-22 realignment, 16 out of 25 football conferences had changes. Just 3 of those ended up with an odd number of teams.
ASUN with 5 who thought they had 6 but is actively looking for another after JSU left and is currently in a scheduling alliance with the WAC.
CAA which who knows what they're doing with 15.
CUSA with 9 and anybody who could fog a mirror.
EVERYONE else took an even number. If we want to go MWC or MAC, who will be the other team to keep an even number for scheduling purposes?
Sure, CUSA needs just 1, but holy hell no. The current CUSA is awful and most definitely a step down.

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Is it though? I hear ya that CUSA isn’t as attractive as the MWC or MAC but to talk in absolutes like our current situation in the MVFC/Summit is far and away superior seems a bit naive to me. The MVFC/Summit is a low major situation. CUSA is as well but it may provide an easier path to a true mid major conference vs. the current MVFC/Summit. I’ll give you that the MVFC is more stable, the Summit is not really. It’s more stable than it’s been because of the Dakota 4 but outside of that it’s not.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Like calling people the "FCS forever crowd"? Same thing. Deal with it.

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I don’t call people the FCS forever crowd

Don’t put words in my mouth

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

Is it though? I hear ya that CUSA isn’t as attractive as the MWC or MAC but to talk in absolutes like our current situation in the MVFC/Summit is far and away superior seems a bit naive to me. The MVFC/Summit is a low major situation. CUSA is as well but it may provide an easier path to a true mid major conference vs. the current MVFC/Summit. I’ll give you that the MVFC is more stable, the Summit is not really. It’s more stable than it’s been because of the Dakota 4 but outside of that it’s not.

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They just keep running the same old excuses.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

They just keep running the same old excuses.

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And yet you can never seem to offer an argument otherwise. Aside from your sig of FBS or Bust, where Bust means the destruction of NDSU athletics no matter the cost.

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Originally Posted by taper

And yet you can never seem to offer an argument otherwise. Aside from your sig of FBS or Bust, where Bust means the destruction of NDSU athletics no matter the cost.

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That’s a bit over dramatic don’t you think? The risk of staying FCS is on par with going FBS. To act like one is demonstrably more risky than the other is ridiculous.

Could just as easily argue staying FCS could destroy NDSU athletics. It is a completely uncompelling product that is on a massive decline that our school is charging its fanbase P5 prices to see. I can tell you right now that isn't sustainable, casual fans have basically lost interest in the program because FCS offers absolutely nothing to get excited for.