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It could be argued that CUSA is ripe for a takeover but our region lacks football programs with FBS ambition sadly.
Wait no posts about FBS Bearkats throwing up a 3 spot against Northern Arizona? ��
You’re a bigger idiot than Chapo.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Oh……….Kay….Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
No Carolina beat writer marvels at NDSU this weekend
says NDSU is a P5 program and is really impressed
https://twitter.com/amosfaucette2/st...zha_eUdxC5pX6A
We skipping G5 now. We commmmmmminQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Create a better CUSA add NDSU, SDSU, Missouri State, UMASS, UCONN, DelawareQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
Pods for football and lots of football only members, MVFC idea at the FBS level.
NDSU, SDSU, Missouri State
UMASS, UCONN, Delaware
NMSU, SHSU, UTEP
Liberty, WKU, MTSU
LA Tech, Jax St, FIU
Regionalize the pods enough to have some meaning rivalry games but get the conference big enough to have a shot at a playoff birth. Likely undefeated season but a shot.
Its maybe a slight improvement outside the Bison.Quote:
Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan
UMass and UConn are on ESPN's bottom 10 list and have horrible support.
They supposedly asked to be FBS only members, and CUSA said no.
Don"t understand why people want to add them to an already bottom end conference.
Delaware shows some promise, Missouri St might, though not sure they are there yet.
If you could add 6 strong members, maybe it sort of works depending on pods and scheduling.
I'd rather take 2 to 4 members and approach the MAC.
Pick 2-4 of NDSU, SDSU, WKU, MTSU, Delaware and go MAC and I think you have something.
Big 12 looking to expand west, likely targets would be PAC and/or MWC
If we are patient, I think MWC opportunities will be there.
https://twitter.com/Williams_Justin/...x9g8bnbRd9G3bw
You must be new to this topic. Geography is the ONLY reason NDSU is still FCS. Geography doesn’t matter if we could find a football only FBS conference except none of the FBS conferences want a football only member. We are not going toQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Move all sports to the CUSA or Sunbelt because those conferences don’t want the extra travel. We need regional partners to make the move with us.
Fun thread to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Indy laying down the fact bombs. (And I couldn't stop myself from checking: He's accurate.)Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
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The one that surprised me recently: STL to Louisville is the same as Fargo to Minot.
That's crazy talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Signed,
The Great West
As was noted here from the start, UND was massively out of footprint of the BSC. Everything, every sport, was a flight at least to Denver (NoColo). That adds up fast and it drove UND to look to the Summit/MVFC. You can survive long flights somewhat, if half or so of your conference is still bus trips for Olympic/minor sports.
Craig Thompson stepping down as Mountain West commissioner. Probably not going to change much immediately on its own, but it's still not insignificant...
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...on-step-dec-31
BEST NEWS OF THE DAY MONTH AND THE YEAR>... ILL BE THERE FOR YOU!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
CYA CRAIG!! you were worthless. the NEW COMMISH will invite NDSU!!!
Even UND could go toe-to-toe with Nebraska for three quarters. Nobody will remember GSU in 5 weeks except Nebraska fans recalling the final nail in the coffin for their coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Probably true. W&M took down Charlotte. CUSA is basically a mid tier fcs conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
At least GSU and the SBC teams don't lose their FCS games, and they beat some good P5s also.
NDSU could take down Nebraska along with a large portion of the MWC.
There's a few teams in the MWC and SBC that would be a real challenge though.
https://www.ksl.com/article/50476339...ncaa-breakaway
FBS break from NCAA appearing less likely now. The more things change the more they stay the same …
"The Transformation Committee has already handed down proposals related to transfer rules and how NCAA enforcement operates as part of phase one of its work. A set of those proposals were approved last month.
Phase two is in progress, with membership requirements for schools, student-athlete benefits, access to championship events and revenue distribution at the core of the discussions."
Yeah, a split is not happening without Sankey/SEC on board, and it sounds like he is opposed to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
This looks like posturing so the B1G and SEC can get what they want from the NCAA.
Mostly, thats freedom to spend more so they can dominate more sports.
They want to lift some of the limits on scholarships and coaches for football and other sports also.
It's what I've been saying for a decade now. There's not going to be a split unless something really changes. The P2 need the rest of the college sports world to at least believe they're playing in the same competition. Imagine the LIV golf tour without the Saudi money.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
If you think the UCLA/California Board of Regents fight is going to be difficult, try imagining a P2 splitting the major universities across like 30 different states. Why not just keep the current gravy train rolling? Everyone sitting at the table already has a seat...
Lol now I'm thinking back to all the "We need to stay FCS so that when the split happens we can be sure to move up to the second level" brilliant logic over the years. You know, instead of just moving up to second level ahead of the split lol
I've listed that as one of the possibilities that could happen but I don't remember anybody saying they wanted it to work out that way. Just another FCS Forever strawman in disguise.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
The split crowd has mostly moved onto to needing a regional partner, it is the new FCS forever road block. But yes their logic was crazy on pretty much all points, especially the thought that after doing nothing we would suddenly call the shots and tell the left over FBS schools that we would be joining them or that they would have to join the dregs that make up the FCS.
From about 2013 until about a year ago it was the #1 "we should go FBS" block that would get mentioned here. Everyone was saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
"We don't need to be trying to move up, we should just wait for the P5 to break off. Then the G5 will roll out the welcome mat to the top of the FCS." Because because lol. It never made any sense.
"I hope I don't get promoted this year, so that I can get promoted next year" :o
BUT BUT Geography!!!! Planes are hard to fly that extra 1 or 2 hours more ya know!! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
small town hoople admin and small town hoople fans are what's holding us back from FBS. same fans running the ndsu ticket exchange page on facebook that allow und and sdsu fans to buy on there and say "oh we just want seats to be filled, please dont sell your tickets for more than face" blah blah.
I don't think it's a problem with MWC because there is enough revenue there to offset the costs. For other conferences, that could be a real issue. You aren't just talking Football, there's also basketball, cross country, track & field, softball, soccer, volleyball. All of them would have to travel now.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
And the "football only" invite is a fantasy, most FBS conferences want all sports members. MAC and SBC kicked out members who didn't sponsor all sports. CUSA said no to "football only" for UMass and UConn.
MWC with Hawaii is the only "football only" scenario I can think of where both sides are happy for now. And Hawaii pays a premium for that with MWC.
What benefit does the MWC get from Hawaii being in the conference? Besides the fact that they pay to be football only?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
They have no stadium, they are a stain on the rest of the conference, they take twice as long to get to from San Diego than Fargo(!) and they’re about to contribute to the MW champ not getting a spot in the playoff. Hopefully who’s ever in charge January 1 makes some good business moves.
I'd be onboard with taking Hawaii's spot. But I think it's equally likely we see B12 poach PAC, and PAC poaching MWC, opening up a few spots. That looking increasingly likely, though it might take a little more time. These things often take months of behinds the scenes discussions. What we know is B12 wants to add a western time zone presence.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I mean I’m just taking out my frustration on Hawaii’s joke of a fb program being in one of the best G5 conferences. It would make entirely way too much sense for us to take their place, especially after the condemnation of their stadium. But that’s why it will never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Still our best bet is what you’re talking about. Cascade of teams moving around.
Hawaii is building a beautiful new stadium. It will be the nicest one in the the MW. UNLV rents from the Raiders..Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
With everything that's gone down over the past ~two years, it wouldn't surprise me if NDSU somehow ended up in the Big 12. Obviously I don't mean the current Big 12. I just wouldn't be surprised if there's still a massive shake up that happens and the Big 12 is the victim. The footprint stays similar but the schools are totally different. Pipe dream would be TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, SDSU, NDSU, Wichita State kind of staying along that I-29/I-35 corridor.
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So you don't see that perspective changing now with the expanded CFB playoff and the potential windfall of making it in as a G5? Details still TBD, but all that matters on that front is how good your FB program isQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
The MW commissioner has very little to no say about the direction or make up of the MW..The presidents decide everything. Thompson was on the committee that established the 12 team playoff. That is his most significant accomplishment. No new commissioner is going to look at you any differently than they do now..If the presidents want you, you will receive an invitation.
It is very unlikely that any member would get kicked out of the conference. Things get decided by academics. Football prowess is nice but they have lots of things to value besides sports.
Having Hawaii in the conference does not impact the other schools financially. Only 4 MW schools per season fly out there for football and they are subsidized to do so. Hawaii makes it work for them because they have their own tv network that pays them along with what they get from the MW.
Ive never understood the regional partner BS. If they want you that shouldnt be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
NDSU is R1 with serious momentum on that front, just for the record ...Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
But hey, since you're here, how did it feel to get Worded? That must have sucked
I did another comparison for fun. Outside of Buffalo I checked the furthest travel distance in the MAC and compared it to the corners on ND.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Northern Illinois to Ohio U: 464 miles
Fairmount to Fortuna: 474 miles
Buffalo is outside that footprint but they are only about 200 miles to Kent and 457 to Ball State. So take out Buffalo and Northern Illinois and the footprint gets really tight. Imagine most of the entire conference within the state of North Dakota.
More mental math P5 programs and their distance from my house (all shorter than Minot to Fargo)
IU 56 miles
Purdue 72 miles
Louisville 127 miles
Illinois 129 miles
Notre Dame 142 miles
Ohio State 167 miles
Kentucky 187 miles
Northwestern 203 miles
Michigan State 237 miles
Michigan 248 miles
Go a little further
Vanderbilt 300 miles
Wisconsin 340 miles
Pittsburgh 352 miles
Tennessee 354 miles
West Virginia 370 miles
Iowa 372 miles
Missouri 376 miles
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Travel partners have been a mainstay of collegiate athletics since the start. If you say you don't understand that maybe you should consider you don't actually understand anything. Just look at the schools that went without partners and how they did. I absolutely do not want that level of failure to happen to NDSU. Maybe your ego thinks otherwise, but you do you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
I didn't feel bad at all..They had a better team and Nevada is in a massive rebuild. I am not at all snobby about FCS..Nevada used to be in that division.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I am also far more interested in basketball than I am in football.
I know you are R1. There are 5 R1 doctoral high research schools in the MW. Nevada, UNLV, Utah State, Colorado State and Your Board punching bag, Hawaii.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
When I say things are decided by "academics" I mean university presidents not AD's or the commissioner.
I think your academic standing is excellent.