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One thing that will help his development is getting the kid in the game and playing other than running the ball on an obvious run position. If we are close to being up big, get him in there and throw the ball a bit against some D and get him up to speed. Get Cam out for sake of injury and lets get these young guys some meaningful reps.
I dont want to argue with you----but Bison play calling hides his weaknesses---Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
Cole hasn't had any shot in a game thats on coaches---(HC doesn't want a controversy) and remember our HC THOUGHT Zeb Noland was better than Trey Lance until last week of FALL CAMP too
Doesn't matter who the QB is with the plays we saw called yesterday. Outside of one drive (which felt scripted) no one is going to be successful in that shitshow.
No argument here. I think the Bison play calling is a weakness in itself. Cam isn't Easton and definitely isn't Trey but he has the tools to get better. At the moment he's the best option and a good one at that. I hope Payton comes out swinging this spring and summer to push his way in.
That 7 min drive in the 3rd/4th quarters was a thing of beauty. Where was that all game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
I don't even remember that drive bro I was probably already drunk. Or raging that it took 7 minutes when we were down by 30. Or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by EndZoneQB
And, at same time I hope a big explosive WR forces his way into major snaps....Carson Hegerle, maybe othersQuote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
If our WR corps is so thin, they couldn't play this year in the playoffs? Are we actually going to be able to keep them with this shitty offense?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbark
So a team loses two games during the season that were winnable, then a third with a remote chance and there isn't a hurry up no huddle offense. WTF!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Did you dingbats not see Cam carving up defenses on the ground?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kujava23
Cole > Cam. we've seen Cams peak. show us Coles Peak!Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Eh, most of that was against UN_… and Samford… but I agree he is a good runner.Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
How would he compare to our QBs since Jensen?… I’d put him ahead of Jensen as a passer, behind as a runner, and I think I’d put him behind the rest of them in both categories (not counting Zeb or Quincy).
Brock had a lot more yards thru his first 3 seasons (~5800), cam has almost 3800. About the same completion percentage. They both played about the same number of games.
But I can get on board that cam is a better passer or at worst he's at least equal to what Brock was. We must have run a ton more plays in Brock's years because he had more rushing attempts and yards than Cam.
One thing Brock had that Cam doesn't is the ability to put the team on his shoulders in those big moments and elevate everyone's play around him. The it factor.
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That seems to be what cam is missing so far. Felt like walker, Brock, wentz, stick and lance. Would make the big play when needed, answer with a drive in key moments and especially game winning drives. So far this has eluded cam. He drives them for game winning drives against uofa and SDSU In the first game I think there is a completely different perception of him by the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
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You think Cam can be an all American. Missouri Valley offensive player of the year?Because I don’t. Also agree. Cam has had chances to win games in the final drive and failed. Brock always came through. in those spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
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He had some moments on broken plays and QB draws. He's a better runner than I thought. Good in the open field but he's not a guy who will break tackles or need multiple tacklers. I would say he's fast enough but not a threat to score from anywhere like Easton or Trey. He is especially ineffective running off tackle and has poor vision and running instincts. He slows down to a crawl to follow a block and then gets tackled instead of hitting the holeQuote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Brock had a DLine that could lasso the fucking devil and throw him back 10 yards. Leevon Perry, Kyle Emanuel, Travis Beck, Brian Schaetz, Colten Heagle, Christian Dudzik, list goes on. So the opponents had no chance to score more than 10 points. The only opponents who scored more than 10 points were Georgia Southern and Sam Huston TigerCats. Brock had many chances thanks to a Hall of fame D Line.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbison
Completely agree. Cam is taking way too much blame for these losses. But he still didn't come through in either of his chances this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 123Gobison
The championship had nothing to do with the offense or cam, that def performance is all that should be talked about. Haven't seen anything like it since the season of the 3-4 defense.
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The offense has everything to with the defense struggling. We got the ball first and SDSU had an 8 minute TOP advantage at half. You need long drives to keep the defense fresh and give them time to look at film. 3 and outs kill a defense. Being on the field makes them tiredQuote:
Originally Posted by SiouxHockeyBisonFo
Obviously a great SDSU defense coupled with Roehl and bad execution had something to do with that. And the defense and special teams was a shit show. So Cam doesnt deserve all the blame. He is part of a collective dog shit marathon
I’m not blaming Cam for anything here. He’s absolutely putting all out there. The D is absolutely the main issue this year, no argument… but the Offense is absolutely underachieving and it’s 100% playcalling…Quote:
Originally Posted by SiouxHockeyBisonFo
And I’ll say the word “absolutely” one more time just to make my point more clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Nothing to do with loss of two future NFL players and two very good starting oline.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
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Ok, it’s 95% playcalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiouxHockeyBisonFo
I’ll add the reminder that Cam Miller played as a true freshman in the spring season with Trey Lance going on to the NFL. Plus Miller has now played the 2021 and 2022 seasons also.
https://gobison.com/sports/football/...m-miller/17973
So while listed as a Junior for the season just completed, he is actually a Sophomore eligibility wise.
Trey Lance, Easton Stick, Carson Wentz, Brock Jensen redshirted, Miller did not.
If Miller and the Coaches were to decide on a Super Senior season, that would be his 5th year, not his sixth.
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Originally Posted by bruinbison
This is a good perspective. Next year would have been Cams first. Instead Trey left and he has 2.5 years of experience and a ring as a starter
Cam requires a lot of help around him to be successful. He needs absolute studs at the WR position and a dominate OL to be successful. OL faded this year as the season wore on. I agree, Defense was the Bison's biggest issue this year and more specifically the interior DL . We got gashed up the middle all year. I hope we don't ignore this position group ever again. We can't lose one player there and go from being solid there to a glaring weakness. LB's also seemed to have their issues with mis-alignments and fits in the running game most of the year as well.
Don’t forget, and maybe add as #1 the scores of whiffs/missed tackles that we saw from game 1 through the Natty. I can recall at least 2 complete whiffs (airball-like) in the Natty, and I’m guessing there were several more I missed because of angles/people/players in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by slips
Too right. Just like Mark Gronowski and Stetson Bennett eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by slips
Great point CAS. I bitched about this all year. My question is whether this was a result of poor coaching or poor performance. In some cases, I thought it was a lack of fundamentals, which would suggest poor coaching, but in many other situations, I thought the player just wasn't good enough to execute what the coaches wanted. In addition to the bad tackling all year, I thought we were out of position a lot, especially at LB; I assumed this was poor performance by the LB, but maybe it was poor coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
Does anyone really believe Cam would be the 4th Bison QB to be drafted into the NFL? It could be decades before we have another. We have been very fortunate and our fans are spoiled! Our offense has become way too predictable and stagnant. That’s on the coaching staff.
Defensively, in the first game of the year when Drake ran the ball down the field for a TD on their first possession, we should have been worried. Worst Bison defense in well over a decade!
Pre game coach Stig said they planned to "bounce the a gap power and control qb run"Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
Basically a disguised way of saying....bison gonna have to win it on Cams arm...
Will be the recipie in MVC from here on out until proven I'm afraid
Not all teams have the personnel jacks do.....bison need to at minimum keep wr & te positions stacked
....and teach Kobe to protect the ball
That fumble took what moxie we had out....
Imagine if we used screen passes to both TEs and RBs. Or maybe some quick slants or some hitch routes. We used to do these plays all the time. Cam can make these throws. We never see them being called. We shouldn’t need to run the ball every time for 4-7 yds. Short passing also opens up long passing. Audible out of a running play if there are 8 in the box rather than running it to run it.
I'm not of the belief they possess the ability to actually make the right call. I love Zeb Noland, but in what universe was that competition even close that you had to wait until almost the start of the season? Based on things I have seen, this staff values experience over skill/upside.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
With that said, they refuse to let Cole throw. So either that is because he is awful or they are awful. Or both. Based on what I saw Sunday, I'm learning towards it being the staff's fault.
Cole made some nice throws as a high schooler. His college sample size is really small but I can’t see any reason he has regressed. Agree it would be nice to see him throw at this level in a real game sometime.
Well they have let him throw a few times and something bad usually happens so......Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of a Bison
I didn't get this either. Especially when Cam was struggling. Give him an easy throw that can open things up and build some confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
But have we seen Jose’s peak?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by semobison
Yep we have watched it all year only hope was Frisco mystic
pls stop bumping thread heart can only take so much
Nope. I dont think anyone thought that. But he could be a good QB. Thats all I was hoping for.Quote:
Originally Posted by semobison