Alright y'all, I have a plan. NDSU either adds hockey or moves to FBS...
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Alright y'all, I have a plan. NDSU either adds hockey or moves to FBS...
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Blasphemy!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
If Lakes were AD we'd already be FBS indie and scheduling games with Notre Dame, BYU and New Mexico State every year.
Sign the petition. ADLB 2021.
Sure, add hockey.......why not.......but don't think they'd start a men's program without a women's program; ask the undies how that turned out......athletic income down the proverbial shitter. Imagine the howling from the Title IX faction if they added men's hockey and not women's hockey. Or, do they eliminate a couple of men's programs to satisfy the IX Nazis?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
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Originally Posted by southcliffbison
co-ed all transgender team, perhaps?
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Originally Posted by yellowstreak
THATS WHY YOU GO FBS!! You drown those teams and get all their top recruits and media attention. what do you NOT understand about drinking their MILKSHAKES?????
Humor aside, mutters makes a valid point, i.e. you’ll have to choose one or the other, and in reality those choices were made long ago. At this point, it’s about acknowledging what you chose and accepting the reality of that choice, for the betterment of the state of ND …
What’s the closest G5 team to Fargo? You’d pretty much have the region to yourself (note the singular here)
Poly-Ed much you cis?Quote:
Originally Posted by IzzyFlexion
If my dink gets much smaller, I may no longer be able to girl-pee.Quote:
Originally Posted by I miss Chubs
Does that make be a bitter old man? Yeah....a little, I guess.
Do you really think Jackrabbit, Coyote, Bobcat and Griz fans are going to convert to Bison fans because NDSU is FBS???Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Or, let me put it another way - Do you really think Billings, Bozeman, Missoula, Great Falls, Sioux Falls, Rapid City media all switch primary coverage over to NDSU???
Of course a few prospects can be recruited who otherwise would have been FCS, especially the SDSU, USD and UNI prospects. That is an obvious......nothing new there
It's already happened to some extent. Far more Grand Forks people are pro NDSU than I would have ever expected. Plus we'd get way more relevant in The Cities. The FBS label would separate NDSU from previous associations and people will be a fan of NDSU as an FBS team and, say, UNI/USD,etc as their FCS team.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
One other quick thing to note on NDSU leadership on this.....the current fiscal climate would make it the wrong time for Bresciani to push on this. However, he can't wait forever, either. At some point, he will need to go full Joe Chapman on the this....but he can't at the moment as he was neutered after his push for 20k students.....
. I've been all over the place on this... but now I agree. I understand the argument to stay in the FCS... but now I don't think it holds water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonator98
In Billings, Bozeman, Missoula, Great Falls, Sioux Falls, Rapid City???Quote:
Originally Posted by tenbobnote
No it hasn’t.
That is what my post was about.
Lakes overreached on his post, per the usual.
Shocked face :eeek:
People who aren't alumni or don't live in North Dakota/western minnesota will never care about ndsu. Ndsu could be the big ten champion for 20 years straight and they will still never care. Know your audience and work with it. Don't imagine some audience that will never exist.
You know how I know this? If montana state became fbs I wouldn't give a shit. I don't watch georgia southern or app state or even smu/baylor. It's really really really hard to invest time into watching a team that you don't have a significant attachment too.
Absolutely!! they will follow us. guaranteed. pure spite and jealousy alone. Plus we will stealing their best players as they become juniors/seniors with the transfer portal! hell yea!Quote:
Originally Posted by tenbobnote
I bet Boise State people said the same thing back in the day, but winning cures all. Consistent winners always get eyeballsQuote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
You're spot on. That's also the reason why the small FM specific media market argument only holds so much weight. You can't measure this shit with a population within 100 miles metric anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by HandoEX
I always tell my clients that it is better to make a good decision than a fast one... that they should wait until they KNOW FOR SURE. I've never known for sure before personally (which doesn't matter anyway) but with what's happened in the last 12 months, it sure seems clear that we're not playing with the right folks anymore. To me, it is now more obvious than it has ever been.
We are WAY more of a national story right now than Boise was when they moved up. You guys only refer to their success after moving up and what that's meant for their financial and scoreboard success. We're miles ahead of them when they were in our current position. A move now will put us ahead of them in 5 years. Mark that shit down.
(This is weird to me. I've always been on the fence.)
North Dakota is different though. When i go on a trip people are always very curious about this place they have never been and will never be to. NDSU does see decent ratings comparatively as an FCS even when playing FCS on the bigger channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
College football fans are already aware of the football program and people from all over are genuinely curious what it could do in FBS and would be rooting for success. There is a strange connection- and people want to see this clean program that runs the ball doing it old school. With a bunch of ND MN SD kids.
They want to bandwagon and be the guys telling their kids and grandkids how they were watching the Bison beat big boys when they were still small timey. People would continue to push for growth to a P5 with success.
Plus Gopher fans/UN_ think its foolish and would really hate it. Tells me all i need to know. If app state/georgia southern were getting games with florida/florida state/georgia in non-con and winning consistently people would care. The non-con scheduling would need to be and stay aggressive.
If covid/virus style mandates ever do go away it is going to be an easy excuse to drop tickets for EVERY program. People just needed an excuse to save some time and bucks to watch more in their mancave. Attendance will drop everywhere. NDSU could a jump to maintain 19k and have competitive attendance along with the old cameron indoor cool to be small thing going.
Have there been any FOIA requests to figure out if conferences have contacted? ECHCH8O? Loaf is running most of this behind closed doors anyway. VERY confident there is a conference home available for NDSU and there has been for a while.
Not sure if your “20 years B10 Champ” comment was meant to be hyperbole, but you can bet that if any team did that, they would be in National Championship contention and drawing their own fucking grid lines on that College Football map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
That will never happen, but as others have pointed out, that doesn’t need to happen for NDSU to be relevant. They already are to some extent. MOST fans of P5 schools know who NDSU is. If we are G5, with more opportunities to play those schools, you can bet your ass they will know our name.
Get the IPF fully built out to P5 specs, launch a campaign to get a new mid major worthy basketball arena built, call up Montana and let's do this. Gotta get the deck cleared for FBS and let's be honest, the SHAC isn't a G5 facility.
I like the end of this post. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Well done!Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Not sure what Montana has to do with anything. They are broke and we blew by them 15 years ago. If we are going to pair up with anyone it will be SDSU but I don't see that happening soon enough for my liking. I'm all for going indy at this point. The SHAC is fine for now, gotta get that filled consistently before thinking about a new BB arena.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Perfect, but does NDSU have to wait for a G5 invite first?Quote:
Originally Posted by IzzyFlexion
Montana is broke? With all the Californication going on in and around Bozangeles? Maybe they need to learn a little bit about taxation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonator98
Is that political?
Oh, wait.........NDSU can go trans-gender co-ed independent ....... trend setter.
I think lakes still has a year of eligibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by southcliffbison
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Originally Posted by JMB
Finally, I've found the perfect way to describe my experience on this site! :hide:
The eligibility clock in DI runs in consecutive years, so lakes’ clock ran out 25+ years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
You're confused. He has a year left of parole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Agreed. And just cuz someone doesn’t follow or watch consistently doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have viewership. I’ve watched plenty of games on tv that I have zero ties to the teams for the sake of just wanting to watch games, as well as have tuned into games to root against certain teams, and if games are hyped as going to be good games or in the moment you flip over to catch games cuz it’s close.Quote:
Originally Posted by HandoEX
amennn. LETS GO!! boise state was a regional fanbase. NDSU could as well.. even Minnesota & Wisconsin fans would watch NDSU at the FBS LEVELQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdThat!
The SHAC is damn near brand new. We can't be pissing money away on new basketball arenas when the current one barely gets filled for rivalry games.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Fact check= 12,000,000% trueQuote:
Originally Posted by WeAreThePride
I agree- but I will also say, that I tune in occasionally for CCU, Liberty, App State and GSU, and I DONT tune in for the other G5 teams not named Boise or UCF.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
I think we'd pull a handful of fans from those good FCS towns, the same way that I'm a casual fan of the programs that I stated above.
Is it a TON of people? no, which is why I agree w/your comment way more than disagree
Boise and more recently, App State, have shown that although the risks and costs are significant to jump, its WINNING that can mitigate the risks of going FBS.
Its pretty simple- if you think we'd bein the bottom 70% of G5 programs in terms of wins, then I dont think its worth moving. You wouldnt be successful enough to reap the rewards of jumping, outside of alot more payday games.
If you think we'd lose only 0-3 games/yr., youre successful enough to recieve the benefits of FBS.
If you think we're good enough to succeed, Then its time to jump. If you think we'd suck, then of course, lets stay #FCSForever. There are ALOT of benefits to staying, I'm not denying that in the slightest.
With 1700 plus posts, CyPanth, you must really enjoy self-inflicted pain. Mind you, I don't care one way or another you lurking in the shadows, but, gee whiz, that Panthernation board must have an extended case of Covid-19 (didn't get its shots, huh) or has it died already? The few times I've visited Panthernation I find very little conversation about football. Disclaimer: I just read the football threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyPanth
Agree with the aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by MankatoBison
Here is Chapo’s post (again)
He was referring to this postQuote:
THATS WHY YOU GO FBS!! You drown those teams and get all their top recruits and media attention. what do you NOT understand about drinking their MILKSHAKES?????
I’m pushing back on his comment NDSU would get all the “media attention” in those markets - Billings, Bozeman, Missoula, Great Falls, Sioux Falls, Rapid City - NoQuote:
The market today is just too small and over saturated with UND, SDSU, USD, Minnesota, Montana and Montana State all taking part of that market.
I watch APP and GSUQuote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
I also think people underestimate the hatred that certain FCS markets and fans have developed for NDSU during the run. I wonder if that would change after we move up, but I’m not sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison