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I'm not sure why a bigger stadium is linked so tightly in some minds with going to an FBS conference. Big, half-empty stadiums are not nearly as impressive as a jam-packed FargoDome.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Keep winning and the case for a new stadium builds itself... but it'll have to build for a long time before a tipping point is reached. Just going FBS doesn't guarantee bigger crowds - you gotta go FBS and win 8-12 games a year against interesting home opponents.
Why is 4 titles the litmus? Isn't 3 enough?
Stadium folks:
Revamp the ticket prices and funding/donations tied to those 20,000 seats. Make students bleacher seating & add the band seats to public (1000 seats. Add corner seats (2000) & at 23,000 with proper advertising monies the fargodome could be viable.
One word: fire code.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I'm just going keep posting after him....corner seats, really??Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Nobody said it was a litmus test did they? Just a point that I have made to really be on the fbs side, but you must fail to read all the other facts people put out....like funding
Now I notice you want to sell the band's seat...where do they go then? When was the last college FB game you attended that the school band was not in attendance
A new stadium is only required if we were to get an invite to a P5 conference. I have laid out in the past how the Big 12 could make sense but it is hardly realistic unless ESPN wants it that bad. If we are talking about a G5 revamp and bringing in the top half of FCS, I can't see where a new stadium is a #1 priority. I would think there would have to be some time allowed to settle in with new TV money and how that works into the budgeting. There also has to be a realistic projection of what that will mean for attendance. If the new D1 doesn't look that much different than what is going on now, then a stadium becomes about priority number 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
Td57. Bravo. Yes we'd need a new stadium for P5 but as I laid out, we can squeeze more money out of the dome. Band goes in the bleachers with students. They all stand and squeeze into front 20 rows so all 4000 can make it into the bleachers.
Fire Code still work if you get creative..ndsu is a top engineering/architect school so let's see it!!
Why don't you just jump on the Gophers, donate money, push to get them competitive? You are a huge Minnesota homer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I guess my reasoning would be that if we jump now, we're stuck with whatever conference we're tied to. If we wait, who knows what doors will open up. Now granted I understand all of the conference re-alignment that's going on, but with a wait and see approach, I feel NDSU controls its destiny a little more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
Bingo. First of all, I don't think the MWC is much of a step up. More importantly, I have 100% confidence that Boise State will NOT be a member of the MWC when the eventual shakeup happens (they might not be the only one to bolt too). Geography is not our friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNation11
I thought that this was supposed to be a thread that was meant for good discussion surrounding the move to FBS, not bringing up off topic comments to complain about certain users. Fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by loudsilverado
Because as a ND tax payer, this thread will never happen without the state legislature full support, and it will never happen. End of thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
this is all based on the idea that somehow the G5 doesn't lock us out. The assumption is that there will absolutely be a way to move up IF there is a shakeup in FBS college football. What if the G5 works their own deals with the media, creates their own playoffs and chooses NOT to allow NDSU to join due to geography or something else. In that scenario, NDSU is 3rd tier football with no hope. That scenario might not be all that likely but it COULD happen. If we were to make the jump now, at least we'd be at the table instead of relying on other conferences to elevate us to the G5 conferences later down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Who needs the taxpayers? No new stadium needed (at least to compete with G5 teams), additional funding would be needed for sports programs but that number is debatable. There is NO way to identify if/when the taxpayers would be required.Quote:
Originally Posted by loudsilverado
I think you are correct. It would have been better to just say that from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by loudsilverado
without asking for money from the state, what could the legislature actually do to prevent this from happening? the quick answer: Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
We're locked out already. No one can move up without having a conference affiliation locked down first.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Do you remember the city of Fargo tax payers turning down the FFD a few times?????Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
agreed.... I do believe however that we could make the jump to the Sunbelt if so desired (not that i think that i think that we should strive for that conference).Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Also, you can't put up a new building without approval from Bismarck even if you raise all the money yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by loudsilverado
yes, i do but the FFD wasn't built for NDSU athletics. We are just a tenant. Again, what does that "example" have to do with our state Legislature?Quote:
Originally Posted by loudsilverado
agreed. When exactly did the legislature stand in the way? didn't they set up the parameters for approval and once we met those the building was approved?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
i don't recall the legislature getting in the way when we decided to move to D1 from D2.
Really? You should write novels. The G5 is NOTHING by itself. Even if they could work out a media deal, wouldn't that same media want to ensure the largest and most attractive pool of contestants? You know who the G5 Conferences are and what schools are included don't you? Hopefully, you also understand that, while the NCAA doesn't directly have control over the BCS Conferences (including the G5) with regard to football, they do carry a pretty big stick when it comes to all of the other sports (think Basketball). In short, the G5 doesn't hold any cards when it comes to influence. Right now, they are just riding along hoping for a few crumbs to drop like a lapdog sitting by my recliner.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
With the state of higher ed in this state, building a new stadium has everything to do with the state legislature and city of fargo.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
The G5 is basically nothing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Based on the assumption that the P5 will break away and the G5 will be left in the dust, it is completely possible that they could stick with the teams/conferences that they have. The NCAA could force the move of the top parts of the FCS up to the G5 level however there is NO guarantee of that.
I can see how the state board of higher ed could have some influence IF the money came from the state's coffers however if the stadium was built without any state money they can complain but would not be able to do anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by loudsilverado
That was before two Presidential residences went way over budget and only one of them got much media attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
I can just imagine the hypocritical Sturm und Drang if NDSU announced plans to build a 25,000 seat indoor football stadium for $500 million with it's own pipe organ imported from Austria, mahogany arm rests, the largest HD video board between Minneapolis and Seattle, and 100 snorty bison logos inlayed on tri-color marble concourses imported from Italy.
i guess it depends on who if footing the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
That was definitely the case last time. But 70 miles makes a difference. Also, they were wrong to let that guy walk all over them just because he had a lot of money. His people made public statements about the nickname that the University was trying to retire in 2000 that were in direct contravention to his initial agreement with UND and he was so brazen in his hostage taking of the State Board of Higher Education that it's precipitated the current crisis with Carlson and his legislative power grab. Finally, it didn't seem to matter with the residence that none of the money was theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
I think the MWC is a big step up but I don't see them adding us. It is an upper level G5 conference and a very good basketball conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Also not sure where Boise is going to go. Like us they have geography and market issues when you talk about the P5 but on top of that they also have academic issues. The Pac 12 will never touch them, that leaves just the Big 12 and that would make them a big outlier.
Not true. The State would be responsible for maintenance.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
1) They broadcast in PortlandQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
2) They have a larger alumni base which is spread all through Pac 12 media markets
3) extra bonus they are now a national brand with the Knight/Nike stuff
I don't see the state getting in the way if NDSU had the money to build its own stadium all up front, that said I don't think NDSU could built its own stadium without some kind of bonding.
Just wanted to point out that the number listed in the neilson ratings doesn't much matter. it's the other variables that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
Why would the state pay for maintenance? do they pay for the maintenance of the fargodome? I thought that the authority took care of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Well they pay for maintenance on the BBF and BSA, buildings the state owns.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Totally true that other variables matter, but it's worth painting the whole picture and not just the fraction of the picture that we prefer. Most big 5 schools are not in major cities, but almost to a school they have a large metropolis not to far away where they are the college sports property of value. We don't have that. The truth is that 2nd division football will always be a tough media property to market. Are there any major metros where FCS draws well on TV?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
It's also a little different when you've been a member institution for 100 years, instead of putting you hand in the air and begging "pick-me".Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
The bolded may have been true ~5 years ago, but the MW isn't what it used to be. Hell, Wyoming has a decent chance to finish in the top half of the conference this year. No Utah, no BYU, no TCU, and it appears Boise St. may be losing some of its luster.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent