High School post-season: ND, SD, MN, WI

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Originally Posted by EndZoneQB

Is it a "miss" or did UND just "score"? Speed doesn't make you a great football player, maybe he just developed nicely. For example, look at Colt McCoy, a lot of people didn't think he'd even make it at Texas...

I'm surprised we haven't done any screen passes or anything to Shamen this year(that I remember off the top of my head?). If he really has 4.3x speed, and what seems like absurd cutting ability, we need to get him the ball, and let him do something with it...

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I think we truly did "miss". I think we looked at Shamen and Weston and evaluated Shamen as the better talent and didn't offer Weston a full scholarship. I would say that is a "miss" based on how each of thier careers played out. Also, Weston wasn't a "project" he was a refined, skilled player at a very young age. Very football savvy and tenacious. If anything, I think your point speaks more to us looking at Shamen's speed and thinking that made him a great football player not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Bison06

I think we truly did "miss". I think we looked at Shamen and Weston and evaluated Shamen as the better talent and didn't offer Weston a full scholarship. I would say that is a "miss" based on how each of thier careers played out.

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I think we took a chance on a legitimately better athlete. Shamen hasn't been "terrible", just has been injury prone...which sometimes is hard to predict. I don't believe he was ever meant to be a receiving threat, but as a role player/return man. Shamen showed promise right away, but injuries can change a player...especially his specific injuries. Shamen also has spent the majority of his time against FCS/FBS competition whereas Dressler played in DII, which I think HAS to be mentioned.

when Shamen was healthy he was a tad bit more explosive than Dressler

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Originally Posted by EndZoneQB

I think we took a chance on a legitimately better athlete. Shamen hasn't been "terrible", just has been injury prone...which sometimes is hard to predict. I don't believe he was ever meant to be a receiving threat, but as a role player/return man. Shamen showed promise right away, but injuries can change a player...especially his specific injuries. Shamen also has spent the majority of his time against FCS/FBS competition whereas Dressler played in DII, which I think HAS to be mentioned.

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I think those are all valid points and it is easy to look back once careers have played out and say we should have done things differently, but when ND has an in-state guy that runs 10.4 and the football ability that Weston had, you have to offer him a full ride, have to. A school like NDSU has got to get the best talent in ND or at least offer them a chance to play football at NDSU. I agree with you Ming about the explosiveness that Shamen had when he came in, but he was never a good running back or reciever. I don't think at the FCS level you can afford to waste a scholarship on a return/role player guy, they have to contribute in other areas of the game and Shamen IMO has been a disappointment. Granted injuries have played a role in that.

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I think those are all valid points and it is easy to look back once careers have played out and say we should have done things differently, but when ND has an in-state guy that runs 10.4 and the football ability that Weston had, you have to offer him a full ride, have to. A school like NDSU has got to get the best talent in ND or at least offer them a chance to play football at NDSU. I agree with you Ming about the explosiveness that Shamen had when he came in, but he was never a good running back or reciever. I don't think at the FCS level you can afford to waste a scholarship on a return/role player guy, they have to contribute in other areas of the game and Shamen IMO has been a disappointment. Granted injuries have played a role in that.

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Think about this tho...yeah I agree we should try to get the best players from ND, but do you think getting Dressler was worth maybe not being able to offer Heckendorf? Heckendorf was responsible for a lot of our offense and always made the clutch plays. We almost owe as much thanks to him as Walker.

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I think those are all valid points and it is easy to look back once careers have played out and say we should have done things differently, but when ND has an in-state guy that runs 10.4 and the football ability that Weston had, you have to offer him a full ride, have to. A school like NDSU has got to get the best talent in ND or at least offer them a chance to play football at NDSU. I agree with you Ming about the explosiveness that Shamen had when he came in, but he was never a good running back or reciever. I don't think at the FCS level you can afford to waste a scholarship on a return/role player guy, they have to contribute in other areas of the game and Shamen IMO has been a disappointment. Granted injuries have played a role in that.

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And his off the field behavior didn't help him either.:smh:

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I think those are all valid points and it is easy to look back once careers have played out and say we should have done things differently, but when ND has an in-state guy that runs 10.4 and the football ability that Weston had, you have to offer him a full ride, have to. A school like NDSU has got to get the best talent in ND or at least offer them a chance to play football at NDSU. I agree with you Ming about the explosiveness that Shamen had when he came in, but he was never a good running back or reciever. I don't think at the FCS level you can afford to waste a scholarship on a return/role player guy, they have to contribute in other areas of the game and Shamen IMO has been a disappointment. Granted injuries have played a role in that.

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Did we offer Dressler a full scholly? I think either way he would've chosen UND. i dont think it's because we werent as interested in Dressler as much as UND was, I think it's more of he was more interested in UND. The Dressler family is a big UND family.

I think Shamen was worth the scholly offer. Big explosive playmaker. Earlier in his career he was huge for us. He had the potential to score at any time. We ran him on reverses, screens, dump passes and even gave him some carries and I remember him turning some of those into huge runs... it's just too bad the injuries have set him back.

No if I had the choice between those two, I would probably take Heck. But I don't think that was the choice. I think in the minds of NDSU coaches they thought, Weston or Shamen and just chose wrong IMO. To be frank, I think the coaches at the time didn't think ND could produce great position players and that played a role in this decision. Again hindsite is 20/20, but to be THE place to be in the upper midwest, I think getting the best in ND is essential.

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Did we offer Dressler a full scholly? I think either way he would've chosen UND. i dont think it's because we werent as interested in Dressler as much as UND was, I think it's more of he was more interested in UND. The Dressler family is a big UND family.

I think Shamen was worth the scholly offer. Big explosive playmaker. Earlier in his career he was huge for us. He had the potential to score at any time. We ran him on reverses, screens, dump passes and even gave him some carries and I remember him turning some of those into huge runs... it's just too bad the injuries have set him back.

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You may be right, he may well have chosen UND anyway. But I have been told by people who would know that he was not offered the same money from NDSU that he was from UND. Whether or not his mind would have changed is a different conversation, I think.

way to sidetrack another thread with this nonsense, sigh.

AAA:
South beats Century 38-21.
Bismarck beast West Fargo 42-14
AA:
Shanley beats Trinity 27-23
A:
9-Man:

Does this mean that they have the games on pay per view?
See the 9-man, Class A, 2A, & 3 A 11-man championship games in their entirety. The videos are not available for sale on this website; they are just meant for viewing. The videos can be ordered through the Valley News Live website at valleynewslive.com.

Whap loses to DL in semifinal 28-21. Smith runs for two TD and passes for another, but they come up short.

Listened to the end on the radio in the ER, and the DL announcers were pretty fired up. So, AA final is Shanely versus DL

Shanley is all of that this year, I think. I thought Trinity was, so that's my reasoning.
BHS is for real too, should be a good title game.

9-man was Hankinson over Hillsboro 29-20 and Parshall over TGU 30-26.

Bah, nothing against Langdon but I'm related to all the Bonn's up in Rolette-Rolla area... don't hold that against them though - great people.

Langdon coached by former Bison Andy Dellabare.

BHS scored 42. I'll have to look for Esley's stats and post them.

EDEN PRAIRE DUMPS MINNETONKA 38-7. Now play defending State Champ Wayzata in the 5a quarters. In the Metrodome. This is a great time of year.

here is an article from 11/1/09 about Colten Heagle--- apparently the opposing team's coach is Bryce Paup.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...part-Southwest

and stats from their 11/7/09 win

http://www.wissports.net/sports/foot...&gameID=144319

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/...0501/911080590

Heagle's team (Kimberly, WI) won their quarterfinal game. He had two INTs and 3 rushing TDs.

In South Dakota, Washington won (Trevor Gebhart) and O'Gorman lost (Michael Hardie). Almost no details on the web about either game.

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9-man was Hankinson over Hillsboro 29-20 and Parshall over TGU 30-26.

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Parshall?! You mean to tell me that Parshall has a team, much less a good team!?

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Originally Posted by BadlandsBison

Parshall?! You mean to tell me that Parshall has a team, much less a good team!?

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Apparently so. I don't know much about Parshall, but you can be sure I'll be at the dome on Friday wearing my old Pirates jersey.

As far as I know, the two schools have never played each other in football. It is, oddly enough, a rematch of the opening round game of the boys 2007 Class B basketball tournament though.

Some good athletes dressed in the blue and white, but no offers from NDSU. Two of them have had visits up at UND, though.

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In South Dakota, Washington won (Trevor Gebhart) and O'Gorman lost (Michael Hardie). Almost no details on the web about either game.

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Washington beat Brandon Valley, the team with Austin Sumner who has set all kinds of passing records. Score of 55-10. Gebhart had an interception and 3 passes broken up. He also caught 3 passes. Washington is in the finals against Aberdeen Central.

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Originally Posted by sambini

Langdon coached by former Bison Andy Dellabare.

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Andy has these guys playing good football. Make no mistake about it, there is one heck of a lot of coaching that has went into this 10-1 record. There are a couple special skill players. There are two or three linemen who have some size but they are far from huge and HAD poor footwork and some other basic skills. He has coached this team up and they are now getting it done by being sound on assignments. There are kids out there every week who are making plays that I don't think they would have made a year ago.

Dinius is a special back. 5-8 155lbs. Had 40 carries on Saturday for 219 yards which is about 40 yards below his season average. Currently right around 2,800 yards. Key on him too much and Beck will make you pay.

I'm really happy for these kids. They were 2-7 last season and nobody saw this coming.

Northern. maybe like NDSU next year? 2-7 to 8-1 ?

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Northern. maybe like NDSU next year? 2-7 to 8-1 ?

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I hope so. I really do.

With Billy Turner's verbal, that means that we've got another team to follow in the playoffs.

Turner's Mound View team beat #2 Stillwater to advance to the next round of playoffs despite having lost their starting QB and RB.

Rosemount (Max Busher and Zach Vraa) lost to Eastview in the Section 3 championship.

Wayzata (Grant Olson and AJ Troup) beat Champlin Park for the Section 5 championship.

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Andy has these guys playing good football. Make no mistake about it, there is one heck of a lot of coaching that has went into this 10-1 record. There are a couple special skill players. There are two or three linemen who have some size but they are far from huge and HAD poor footwork and some other basic skills. He has coached this team up and they are now getting it done by being sound on assignments. There are kids out there every week who are making plays that I don't think they would have made a year ago.

Dinius is a special back. 5-8 155lbs. Had 40 carries on Saturday for 219 yards which is about 40 yards below his season average. Currently right around 2,800 yards. Key on him too much and Beck will make you pay.

I'm really happy for these kids. They were 2-7 last season and nobody saw this coming.

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It's good to see that Langdon finally has hired a coach with college experience. There has been alot of talent up in Langdon for years. They just didn't have the coaching experience to help them get to the next level. It always seemed like they were getting out coached year in and year out in the past. I was part of the program when they hired the principal from Munich as an assistant in 1998 who came from Griggs Co. Central and everyone on the team thought he should have been the head coach. Langdon always had Basketball as the #1 sport up there. I hope that changes and the success continues.

Don Carter-- did some digging for info on Don Carter- Lake Forest Academy- Lake Forest, IL --- didnt see them in the playoffs-- checked all 8 divisions
Maybe I missed something?

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/footb...ackets.article

Jesse Hinz- Beatrice, NE-- looks like a 4-5 season and no playoofs
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools...l/schedule.htm

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Originally Posted by BadlandsBison

Parshall?! You mean to tell me that Parshall has a team, much less a good team!?

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Parshall has had a team for many years! They won the 9 man championship in 1983 with Rick Hedberg (who was an assistant up at the unnamed school for awhile and then coached at St. Cloud too, not sure if he's still there). But Parshall had many good teams in the late 80s and through the 90s, I played on the 95-97 teams (as you can maybe guess from my bisonville handle 1998 is year I graduated braves is mascot and 64 was my number), 96 we were ever so close to making it to the dome that year, went undefeated in regular season only close game was Divide County, who beat us by 2 in the quarterfinals and that because of a 60yd fumble recovery for a TD with about 2 mins remaining in the game (eerily similar to Hillsboro this year??). Granted that is pretty much the last good team Parshall has had until this year and this year came as a suprise to many people as they were not expected to do well, they were picked to be 5th in the region by the coaches.

I was pretty excited when they won because I thought Hillsboro would win against Hankinson (although they always play hillsboro good and I have watched the pirates qb play against hillsboro last year and was impressed) since I now live in Hillsboro, would have loved to watch a Hillsboro-Parshall (which would be a rematch of one of the 70s championship bball game and another year they played in the first rounds) matchup as they both play running games... unless the Parshall coach has dramatically changed in the last few years, from what I heard of the game on saturday though it was pretty similar to what he use to run.

Sorry for the long post had to defend Parshall's honor! Go Braves win it all!

I'll be darned. I really had no idea that Parshall has some tradition in their football program.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but the reservations don't have the reputation of great football. Out at Fort Berthold, seems like the big sports are basketball (which Parshall has some good teams) and cross country which is during the FB season.

Did those Pack-in-ah brothers play football?

Yeah I'm pretty sure both of them did, know one did for sure because he broke his ankle the football season before they won the state bball championship, so he didn't play half of the basketball season assuming your attempt at name is the Packineau twins is who you're refering to. :)

See Parshall is approximately half non native (which is the group I fall into) and half native so that might attribute to their ability to have good teams while still being on the reservation, they use to get players from Plaza-North Shore too, but now that P-NS district is aligned with Berthold they go there. Parshall gets some players from White Shield now.

I wasn't offended... just wanted people to know that Parshall has a good football tradition and we had some good teams in the 90s but for some reason bad luck or bad execution would hit at the wrong time and we'd get beat in the playoffs.

Heck of a story for Shanley, losing one of their players earlier this year and they came together as a group well and have been playing some good football!

1st State title game for them in quite awhile.

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Heck of a story for Shanley, losing one of their players earlier this year and they came together as a group well and have been playing some good football!

1st State title game for them in quite awhile.

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Does their success come from the fact that they went down a division or are they better than they have been in the recent past?

How would they do in the EDC this year?

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Originally Posted by Castor Troy

Does their success come from the fact that they went down a division or are they better than they have been in the recent past?

How would they do in the EDC this year?

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EDC seems down...WF and South just aren't dominate this year..

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Originally Posted by Castor Troy

Does their success come from the fact that they went down a division or are they better than they have been in the recent past?

How would they do in the EDC this year?

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I was thinking the same thing, strange they go from AAA to AA and make the State title game!! but still SAV is right they could have easliy played a bad year after the tragedy early on hope they win it all for the Lost teammate!!

I just saw a sports program on Esley Thorton of Bismarck, it was on KFYR in Bismarck, the evening news. I am excited to see him in a Bison uniform next year, he seems like a real down to earth guy. He looks like he has great athletic ability, maybe someone can download or link the program to Bisonville from KFYR.