Surf's up! Burgandy! SAN DIEGO QB!

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Originally Posted by Aces1180

I think Parsons is a decent backup, if needed. No matter who the starting quarterback is, an injury is always a problem.

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Still not even sure about Mertans. And seems like everyone is counting on him to rise up and be somewhere approaching the quality of Walker. Likely will not happen this year. And who is there to push Mertans to win the position? Parsons is not the type of QB for a West Coast offense. Can't even think of the other guys name. And now this latest recruit? To be honest I am worried about how good NDSU's starting QB will be next year. I guess we all have to wait and see..........as for now, QB experience and depth really sucks!

Agreed. Our punter is untested too. Maybe we should just call off the season.

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

You guys are funny. I don't know you personally OldBison, but I know SDBison is one tough cookie and should be able to handle some good-natured banter. As for Bohl, it is hard to argue with his success. As for the quarterback position, I have always been apprehensive about the void left after Walker's departure. I hope Mertens can lead us to the promised land, but I am not sold on him yet. I would love to see a few quarterbacks signed, but I am excited about this California qb. Bohl has been a good judge of talent thus far so I would expect good things from him, as long as he doesn't freeze to death by early October! The big, tall qb SDBison is looking for is going to be hard to find at our level. I would expect it will take a few playoff runs before we have a chance at a guy like that.

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SDSU seems to find some decent QB's that have some height. What is NDSU's problem? As for Bohl finding QB's I won't be a believer until I see another QB near as good, if not better than Walker.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Still not even sure about Mertans. And seems like everyone is counting on him to rise up and be somewhere approaching the quality of Walker. Likely will not happen this year. And who is there to push Mertans to win the position? Parsons is not the type of QB for a West Coast offense. Can't even think of the other guys name. And now this latest recruit? To be honest I am worried about how good NDSU's starting QB will be next year. I guess we all have to wait and see..........as for now, QB experience and depth really sucks!

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I agree, Mertens won't be a Steve Walker right away...However, I feel that he has enough weapons around him to help with the transition from backup to starter...Spring practice will really determine what the Bison have in terms of depth...But I agree that it might be thin right now...Signing day is next week, so maybe Bohl has a rabbit in the hat to pull out and surprise everyone.

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Originally Posted by met1990

Agreed. Our punter is untested too. Maybe we should just call off the season.

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Funny ha ha. Don't think that is what anybody is suggesting.......just wondering why NDSU's coaches don't put more emphasis on finding QUALITY QB Recruits for the future.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Funny ha ha. Don't think that is what anybody is suggesting.......just wondering why NDSU's coaches don't put more emphasis on finding QUALITY QB Recruits for the future.

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How do you know these recruits aren't quality? You nor I have never seen most these guys play, so I would think it is too early to judge what will happen on the field.

Did you think Steve Walker was going to be the man when he signed in 2002?

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Originally Posted by Aces1180

How do you know these recruits aren't quality? You nor I have never seen most these guys play, so I would think it is too early to judge what will happen on the field.

Did you think Steve Walker was going to be the man when he signed in 2002?

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Or Kevin Feeney, or Arden Beechie, or Chris Simdorn, or.................:D

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Originally Posted by bisonhusker

no worries Silk, Bo Pelini will have the Huskers back on track this year. They will play with passion or not play. Period. Or he will dress up and play. Love the energy.

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I totally agree.

If I remember right, watching their bowl game (against Michigan St?) before Callahan was hired and Bo ended up coaching it, I remember hoping he would get the Nebraska job back then, even though he didn't have the repertoire. He looks to have a way of getting his kids ready to play at a high level, showed it in that bowl game, and then backed it up at LSU, who's been on top only basically of their defense, despite their offensive talent.

I like the way he coaches. And you're spot on with the energy he brings.

I understand why people are curious on Bowl and the QB position. Every college program with expectations who lose a long standing starting QB, face questions on what's going to happen there. The only concern I have about Mertens, is will he be able to continue to progress even though it looks like he won't get much competition from someone pushing him? I think the expectations of filling Steve Walker's shoes will hopefully not make him to complacent as the starter.

I must say, I find the discussion the past two days a surprise. I have been questioning the recruiting for QB and the depth at this position for a couple of weeks, and I kept questioning what is going on despite being unceremoniously slam-danced by many who post here. The current dialog, obviously by those who at least recognize that I am not insane, is refreshing for me. It is okay to question people! This is, after all, America.

For all of you who have recently questioned the depth at QB after Mertens, I agree!! (I personally think Mertens will be great!) If he goes down, playoff hopes and dreams likely go with him IMHO. I do not believe we can run without some assemblance of a passing game. I also agree that there is a question how good Mertens can be because, as has been stated by others, (sorry, forgot your names, everyone knew mine when I was the lone soldier) I question how much he will be pushed by Parsons and Brekke.

While encouraged and pleased that we have a QB commit, I also wonder how it is the Bison were unable to find a 5'11" QB locally (ND, MN, WI, IL, SD) with similar physical tools over the past three years. I mean really, no one? As one poster said, SDSU finds them and I would add that UND does also. (BTW, the height of our verbal is my estimate after looking at the QB jpg of his HS compared to listed heights of the other QBs) But this recruit is hopefully only the beginning. We need more than one QB to make competition, it is, after all, the most important position on the team.

Once again, thanks to all the members of the rodentia family who finally woke up from your winter hibernation and took a peak out of your holes to see what is going on! Kudos!! Unfortunately you chose to do so on a bitterly cold day and I am not just talking about the outdoor temperature.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Still not even sure about Mertans. And seems like everyone is counting on him to rise up and be somewhere approaching the quality of Walker. Likely will not happen this year. And who is there to push Mertans to win the position? Parsons is not the type of QB for a West Coast offense. Can't even think of the other guys name. And now this latest recruit? To be honest I am worried about how good NDSU's starting QB will be next year. I guess we all have to wait and see..........as for now, QB experience and depth really sucks!

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http://www.survivinggrady.com/upload...ull-717123.jpg


What's it going to be?


the things we argue about after going 20-2 the last two years :rolleyes:

Last year it was Kyle Steffes and OMG we don't have an experienced starter our running game is going to suck.
This year it's Steve Walker and OMG we don't an experience starter our passing game is going to blow.

Not to nit pick but that glass is wider at the bottom. Therefore, it is over half full so I assume its safe to say that you are not too worried. We will be fine. Mertens has had 3 years to learn the system. It's not like we're losing Walker and having a true freshman without any experience with our system taking over.

There is always a possibility that Mertens will be BETTER than Walker! He may have a better arm and more mobility. Just a thought. Plus he gets the benefit of having 3 years in the system before having to take over!

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Originally Posted by imported_Bisongold

There is always a possibility that Mertens will be BETTER than Walker! He may have a better arm and more mobility. Just a thought. Plus he gets the benefit of having 3 years in the system before having to take over!

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You can't replace the magic of Walker but I think Merten's potential is unlimited. There's no question he's more mobile and has already proven to have a better arm than Walker. In two years from now people will be wondering how we will ever replace Nick Mertens.
In one post we have guys saying Bohl is irreplaceable as a coach and the next thread some of the same people say he and his staff can't recruit. This kid from San Diego was discovered at a Nebraska camp, I'm guessing he has some ability. He had the strongest arm at that camp from the sounds of it.

[..........as for now, QB experience and depth really sucks![/QUOTE]

When Stauss led the show, Walker had far less experience than Mertens has going into the 08' season. Walker was a stud, no question but he's gone. Lets rally around these guys and make some noise this season. Hopefully Mertens won't have to play comeback kid as often.

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Originally Posted by imported_Bisongold

There is always a possibility that Mertens will be BETTER than Walker! He may have a better arm and more mobility. Just a thought. Plus he gets the benefit of having 3 years in the system before having to take over!

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Exactly! I've been hearing this same crap about various positions for 25 years, obviously not on a blog site (when did Algore invent it anyway?). Quick name more than one average or worse QB the Bison have had in say the last 25 years that was originally the starter, not a backup with no experience? I do agree with some of the other guys though about depth at QB. Parsons is really going to have to step it up a notch now also, since he will be #2 instead of #3, very real possiblity he could be the starter at some point during the season for one reason or another.

The stats may not be eye popping but he is playing in the CIF Southern Section, AKA- USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc... recruiting hot bed. That level of high school play on a daily basis is a far cry i hate to say it from ND 9-man. Speed, speed, speed from all players.

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Originally Posted by 90BISON

Exactly! I've been hearing this same crap about various positions for 25 years, obviously not on a blog site (when did Algore invent it anyway?). Quick name more than one average or worse QB the Bison have had in say the last 25 years that was originally the starter, not a backup with no experience? I do agree with some of the other guys though about depth at QB. Parsons is really going to have to step it up a notch now also, since he will be #2 instead of #3, very real possiblity he could be the starter at some point during the season for one reason or another.

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I was thinking the same thing. I remember when Bentrim was finished in 1986-everyone said the same thing. Look at the playoff runs we had after that. Remember, there's a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, and a new Bison recruiting class at the start of the season. Things have a way of working out.

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Exactly! I've been hearing this same crap about various positions for 25 years, obviously not on a blog site (when did Algore invent it anyway?). Quick name more than one average or worse QB the Bison have had in say the last 25 years that was originally the starter, not a backup with no experience? I do agree with some of the other guys though about depth at QB. Parsons is really going to have to step it up a notch now also, since he will be #2 instead of #3, very real possiblity he could be the starter at some point during the season for one reason or another.

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90Bison
Well said. All teams lose good players every year. PL

I can barely lift my right arm cuz I did so many. (weights)

Baxter, you know I dont speak spanish.


Just thought I needed to lighten the mood. A lot of ppl seem pretty grumpy grouchy.

You can't judge the kid based on his stats. He is playing in one of the best football states in the nation. He looks pretty athletic. How about we wait till he plays in a Bison uniform to judge him...

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

90Bison
Well said. All teams lose good players every year. PL

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Absolutely, they do, your right. But most have recruited players to replace them and that is the basic flaw in your logic and everyone else's who think there hasn't been a problem brewing at a football teams most important position.

When Bentrim left there were a number of QBs, same when Simdorn left, same when Beachy left. There was continuity, and we had solid backups. No one is saying that Mertens can't do it. That is NOT the point. The point is that this staff, like me saying it or not, has only recruited one stud QB since they have been here. ONE! ONE!! Get it? We have no depth behind him, no Fr, no RFr who might be able to do it like Walker did, or Bentrim, etc. And we have no QB recruit for two years running because they couldn't identify anyone special enough, that's what Bohl basically said last year on signing day when asked why no QB two years in a row. Really? You buy that? ND, SD, WI, MN, IL, TX don't have any QBs special enough to play for the Bison?

How can any of you see every other position on the football team recruited every single year while the most important position isn't recruited for two years and most of you think that is an okay deal?? I don't get it, I just don't.

Most of you get knots in your stomach wondering if Sauer will come to NDSU and are bummed when he goes to UNI and will post about that, or wringed your hands about Vetter last year. These are all positions we are deep in and yet you sit with your thumb up your bum and don't give a damn when it is mentioned that there is a possibility we go yet a third year with a QB. No, iinstead you pound sand up my arse. Is meth really that popular among some of you?

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Originally Posted by BisonNeil

Absolutely, they do, your right. But most have recruited players to replace them and that is the basic flaw in your logic and everyone else's who think there hasn't been a problem brewing at a football teams most important position.

When Bentrim left there were a number of QBs, same when Simdorn left, same when Beachy left. There was continuity, and we had solid backups. No one is saying that Mertens can't do it. That is NOT the point. The point is that this staff, like me saying it or not, has only recruited one stud QB since they have been here. ONE! ONE!! Get it? We have no depth behind him, no Fr, no RFr who might be able to do it like Walker did, or Bentrim, etc. And we have no QB recruit for two years running because they couldn't identify anyone special enough, that's what Bohl basically said last year on signing day when asked why no QB two years in a row. Really? You buy that? ND, SD, WI, MN, IL, TX don't have any QBs special enough to play for the Bison?

How can any of you see every other position on the football team recruited every single year while the most important position isn't recruited for two years and most of you think that is an okay deal?? I don't get it, I just don't.

Most of you get knots in your stomach wondering if Sauer will come to NDSU and are bummed when he goes to UNI and will post about that, or wringed your hands about Vetter last year. These are all positions we are deep in and yet you sit with your thumb up your bum and don't give a damn when it is mentioned that there is a possibility we go yet a third year with a QB. No, iinstead you pound sand up my arse. Is meth really that popular among some of you?

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Ummmmmmmm there is no flaw in that logic as it was only a statement.
You seem to be wound a tad tight.:D PL

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Originally Posted by imported_Bisongold

There is always a possibility that Mertens will be BETTER than Walker! He may have a better arm and more mobility. Just a thought. Plus he gets the benefit of having 3 years in the system before having to take over!

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Not only that he has a better supporting cast than Walker had. I'm confident he's going to be a stud. When Bentrim left nobody thought he could replaced. Enter Chris Simdorn.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Ummmmmmmm there is no flaw in that logic as it was only a statement.
You seem to be wound a tad tight.:D PL

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Edit: I meant to reply to SDBison...

Bohl said last year he didn't find any QB's who were over the top special. Guys like Walker and Mertens had phenomenal high school careers and it's really tough to find QB's of that caliber. So I agree that Bohl hasn't done a good job recruiting QB's since he signed Mertens in 2005 Maybe he still plans on recruiting another QB?

We're set for the next 2 years and will have capable backups in Jr Mitch Brekke and Sr Ryan Parsons.

When Mertens is done, I don't know what the plan is. Jose Mohler COULD be ready to start as a Sophmore. Does he have the same high school credentials as Steve Walker or Nick Mertens? Absolutely not. Does that mean he's not as good? No but my gut says he's not in the same league and I'm a bit nervous... but that's why they don't pay me to make decisions. Does Bohl plan on signing another QB this year or next year? Remember Walker started as a freshman. Of course Walker had a ridiculously good resume.

All this QB talk made me curious enough to research the other QB's on the roster. Walker and Mertens were GOOOOOOD in high school! Before them we had Stauss who wasn't too shabby either. Check it out.

MITCH BREKE
HIGH SCHOOL: Graduated with honors from Maple Grove High School ... Two-time honorable mention all-state player, who passed for 4,479 yards and 44 TDs in prep career for coach Craig Hansen ... MVP of Minnesota prep all-star game ... Led Maple Grove to an 8-3 record and section runner-up finish as a senior ... In 2004, completed 82-of-164 passes for 1,377 yards and 15 TDs ... Also rushed 73 times for 253 yards and four TDs ... Two-time all-conference selection and honorable mention all-league pick as a sophomore ... Rated No. 1 junior (dual threat) QB in Minnesota by Minnesotapreps.com ... In 2003, completed 87-of-168 passes for 1,731 yards with 22 TDs and six interceptions ... Passed for 356 yards and five TDs vs. Blaine High School during junior year ... Also rushed 42 times for 188 yards and five TDs ... Two-year starter and letterwinner in baseball for Maple Grove

RYAN PARSONS
HIGH SCHOOL: All-conference, all-metro, all-KARE 11 and second team all-state for Blaine High School and coach Shannon Gerrety ... Team went 10-1 and reached the state quarterfinals ... Conference offensive MVP ... Ran for 760 yards and 14 TDs and passed for 1,033 yards and nine scores ... Recorded a 60 percent completion ratio ... Two-time all-state performer in the 300 hurdles ...Three-time conference champ in the 110 high hurdles, two-time in the 300 hurdles ... All-conference in the long jump twice ...

NICK MERTENS
2004 Associated Press Player of the Year and finalist for Minnesota’s "Mr. Football" after leading East Grand Forks High School to the Class AAA state championship and 14-0 record ... First team Associated Press all-state quarterback for head coach Bruce Nelson ... Completed 150-of-242 passes for 2,459 yards, 36 touchdowns and seven interceptions, and rushed for 824 yards and 20 TDs on 171 carries ... Also handled punting, PAT and kickoff duties, averaging 35.6 yards on 28 punts ... Converted 26 PATs, four two-pointers and one field goal ... Credited with 144 tackles including 44 solos at strong safety ... Had three interceptions and five pass breakups ... Forced four fumbles and recovered three including one for a TD ... Two-time Northern Lakes Conference MVP (2003-04) ... Three-year all-conference pick ... Wendy’s Heisman finalist ... 2004 Grand Forks Herald and East Grand Forks Exponet Fall Athlete of the Year ... Three-time all-Grand Forks Herald team pick ... East Grand Forks went 31-4 during career ... During three-year career, completed 291-of-528 passes for 5,243 yards, 59 TDs and 21 interceptions ... Rushed for 1,846 yards and 45 TDs on 413 carries (4.47 ypc) ... Averaged 34.6 yards on 87 career punts and 44.7 yards on 147 kickoffs ... On defense, credited with 242 tackles including 96 solos and 2.5 sacks ... Finished with six interceptions, seven pass breakups, seven forced fumbles and six fumble recoveries ... On the basketball court, four-year starter and East Grand Forks’ all-time leading scorer ... Earned all-state second team honors last season ... Three-time all-city pick ... In track & field, competed in the triple jump (40’), 110 high hurdles (:16.5) and 300 hurdles (:43.5) ... PERSONAL: Born Sept. 13, 1986 ... Major field of study is business ... Lists


STEVE WALKER
... Illinois Offensive Player of the Year and Powerbar National Player of the Week ... WGN Radio Player of the Month ... All-time area Passing leader and third all-time on the Illinois prep passing charts ... Completed 268 of 462 passes (58 percent) for 3,986 yards and 34 TDs as a senior, guiding Lockport to a state championship ... Combined for 5,986 yards passing and 53 TDs over his final two seasons ... Also competed in baseball

Gabe
Im a little confued here. What does my post have to do with yours????PL

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Gabe
Im a little confued here. What does my post have to do with yours????PL

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I clicked Edit... I mean to reply to SD Bison

Neil. .others . . . . I PROMISE YOU that BOHL knows that Mertens Will Be A Star For 2 Years . . . . Ok? relax, if my man jose works out in 2010 . great, if not . we.ll get a fbs transfer . . . . LOOK AT MERTENS STATS! D A M . ! stay classy

Its the pleats in the pants.

DONT ACT LIKE YOU ARENT IMPRESSED


nice discussion, but I will reserve judgement until the young man has actually put the uniform on. Give the kid a break. he may be the next coming or may flop, who knows. In three years, whoevers side was right can come back here and say... see I told ya.

I am worried about qb depth as well. Lack of depth is a concern, any year for any position. If you all want to give examples look at corner last year- we were shallow, but they stood up and did great. now it seems to be one of the deepest positions.

Cripes, everyone needs to take a pill sit back and relax. The coaches have gotten us to a potential national championship year coming up with the talent we have. Give them some credit. I think they have done a wonderful job and deserve a little slack.

microrant over

Yeah, what if this kid is reading all of our posts on here? I would feel very welcomed if I was him...

Some people just can't get over the measurables, if a player isn't a specific height or weight they don't want him. I'll tell you right now that Walker hardly measures up to what is an ideal QB in terms of measurables but anybody who has seen the guy play, walks away very impressed.

So let me ask those who are mad because this kid isn't 6'4, have you ever seen him play?

We will now have 4 QB's on the roster. Look around at other teams, that is the number you want on your roster. 1 sr, 2 jr, 1 fr. I would guess they will look for another one next year. There is not a lack of depth at qb. There is a lack of experience but not a lack of depth.

Saw this on ESPN. From the Forum but still nice to see....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...ncf&id=3222487

To those of you that think everyone is wound a little tight around here, it's because they all wish it was August and the herd was in Fall Camp.:nod:

Found this article....

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La Costa QB chooses North Dakota State
By: SCOTT BAIR - Staff Writer

Jose Mohler didn't want to commit right away. North Dakota State University had just offered a full scholarship to the La Costa Canyon High quarterback, but Mohler wanted to mull it over before making a final decision.

It was near freezing during his recruiting trip and the school was a long way from home, but the Bisons were also one of the best NCAA Division I Championship Subdivision schools in the nation. At some point during the flight back home, Mohler arrived at a decision.

"I just hit me all of a sudden," Mohler said. "I was sitting on the plane and I thought, 'I can totally see myself playing there.' "


Monday night, Mohler made it official with a verbal commitment to play for North Dakota State -- ranked No. 6 overall with a 10-1 record in 2007 -- next season.

"It was quite frigid when I went there," Mohler said. "But other than that, it was a great fit. The players were all really great, they play in a dome and the coaches said I'd have a chance to contribute pretty soon. I can't wait to get started."

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http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008..._351_29_08.txt

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Neil. .others . . . . I PROMISE YOU that BOHL knows that Mertens Will Be A Star For 2 Years . . . . Ok? relax, if my man jose works out in 2010 . great, if not . we.ll get a fbs transfer . . . . LOOK AT MERTENS STATS! D A M . ! stay classy

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Hopefully you can actually understand what you read. I wonder because evertime a discussion about the future of QB comes up, despite people saying things like "post-Mertens" or "for 2010 and beyond" you have to make it about Mertens and remind us how good he is. That is NOT the point.

I have never voiced questions about Mertens. I do question the depth behind him, wonder what will happen if he does get hurt, and am concerned that we waited three years for the recruit from CA. FBS transfer, okay, I'll give you that as a possibility, but why aren't the Bison developing their own talent. No other position has been ignored like QB and the coaching staff have done an unbelievable job upgrading every position, except QB.

So Lakes, one last miserable time, I for one am not questioning Mertens!

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Hopefully you can actually understand what you read. I wonder because evertime a discussion about the future of QB comes up, despite people saying things like "post-Mertens" or "for 2010 and beyond" you have to make it about Mertens and remind us how good he is. That is NOT the point.

I have never voiced questions about Mertens. I do question the depth behind him, wonder what will happen if he does get hurt, and am concerned that we waited three years for the recruit from CA. FBS transfer, okay, I'll give you that as a possibility, but why aren't the Bison developing their own talent. No other position has been ignored like QB and the coaching staff have done an unbelievable job upgrading every position, except QB.

So Lakes, one last miserable time, I for one am not questioning Mertens!

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We have a Senior and a Junior as the two backups. I don't know what you are expecting for more depth out of our backups. None of the QB's on the roster have seen significant time. Depth is not the problem, experience is. This happens when you lose a guy who started for 3 1/2 years. It would'nt matter if we recruited a stud QB last year, he'd have the same amount of experience as the others on the roster when the year starts next year.

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We have a Senior and a Junior as the two backups. I don't know what you are expecting for more depth out of our backups. None of the QB's on the roster have seen significant time. Depth is not the problem, experience is. This happens when you lose a guy who started for 3 1/2 years. It would'nt matter if we recruited a stud QB last year, he'd have the same amount of experience as the others on the roster when the year starts next year.

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Flintstone
You nailed it.
Now what other position will someone get their panties in a wad about?:D
PL

Welcome Jesse to NDSU++++++++

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Flintstone
You nailed it.
Now what other position will someone get their panties in a wad about?:D
PL

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Well, perhaps the Waterboy?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...boy_poster.jpg

;)

Welcome Jesse to NDSU++++++++ SAMBINI???? HUH?? you bump your head??? ha ha ha.


Neil. Ok... thats fair.. but MERTENS WILL ROCK! NO DOUBT!

STAY CLASSY!!!

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We have a Senior and a Junior as the two backups. I don't know what you are expecting for more depth out of our backups. None of the QB's on the roster have seen significant time. Depth is not the problem, experience is. This happens when you lose a guy who started for 3 1/2 years. It would'nt matter if we recruited a stud QB last year, he'd have the same amount of experience as the others on the roster when the year starts next year.

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Many here have seen Parsons, Mertens and Brecke demonstrate their skills in practice, at the Spring game, and for a small part on game day. To this point none of them look impressive at QB and there will be a huge drop off when the new guy steps in. OK, I will give the chosen for next year a chance to get up to speed and prove himself, but overall the stable of QB's does not contain anybody to get excited about (sorry Lakes). Depth doesn't mean crap unless you can put in the backup(s) and not miss a beat. Not sure for overall QB performance Brecke or Parsons would even be half as good as Walker. Mertens might be able to step it up, but I think if he got hurt the Bison would be in big trouble.