A new and better FBS thread

Jesus LOVES US ALL.

But he likes NDSU better than UN_.

Come on Lakes huh?

You gotta admit- this good.

Crickets in here bro.

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Mistaken identity.

Not for me to share.

If the MWC still thinks it's about media markets in 2022 maybe they aren't the conference we should be in. ;)

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

If the MWC still thinks it's about media markets in 2022 maybe they aren't the conference we should be in. ;)

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Are media markets still a thing with the internet and like Amazon prime and stuff?

Like for real. How do we define these magical “markets”.

If people like NDSU football, I don’t even care if they live in a shit hole somewhere or nothing if they have money? Is that how a market works?

I don’t even care about the money if they just like bison football. Like me. They are cool.

Let’s wait for patty viverito’s thoughts on the subject. Ongoing media plan to protect the conference Sure to come soon.

Notre dame still not as on board with the whole internet thing as me. Sticking with NBC over the air I think.

But honestly. I think it could be an advantage for us to be the first to really embrace this internet technology.

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Originally Posted by I miss Chubs

Notre dame still not as on board with the whole internet thing as me. Sticking with NBC over the air I think.

But honestly. I think it could be an advantage for us to be the first to really embrace this internet technology.

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Mr. Beast is reportedly the highest paid Youtuber. Forbes says he made $54M in 2021 across several channels, merchandising, his burger chain, etc.
Notre Dame is reportedly about to sign a ~$70M annual deal for a relatively tiny amount of content.
National broadcasting is still king for premium content. Don't know how long that'll last, but until some streaming service outbids NBC Notre Dame will stick with its bread and butter.

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Originally Posted by taper

Mr. Beast is reportedly the highest paid Youtuber. Forbes says he made $54M in 2021 across several channels, merchandising, his burger chain, etc.
Notre Dame is reportedly about to sign a ~$70M annual deal for a relatively tiny amount of content.
National broadcasting is still king for premium content. Don't know how long that'll last, but until some streaming service outbids NBC Notre Dame will stick with its bread and butter.

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To be Frank, I don’t think NDSU could pull that kind of deal that Notre Lady is getting.

BUT- we also wouldn’t need to take NBC’s

BULLSHIT!

Internet…. Trust me Bros.

Free the Bison from tv contracts.

I think NBC set up the whole manti catfish thing bros.

Think about it.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

If the MWC still thinks it's about media markets in 2022 maybe they aren't the conference we should be in. ;)

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You do know the MW is essentially an all sorts conference that plays football. Our tv deals don't come for football only. Those tv providers sell advertising for all those football and basketball games they show. That includes the streamers as well as the cable and broadcast tv. They sell based upon viewership. The MW tv deals are minor as is. Getting an occasional playoff slot doesn't overcome that. The conference simply can not look at things through a football prism alone. But, I agree, this may not be a conference NDSU should be pursuing.

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Originally Posted by MWC

You do know the MW is essentially an all sorts conference that plays football. Our tv deals don't come for football only. Those tv providers sell advertising for all those football and basketball games they show. That includes the streamers as well as the cable and broadcast tv. They sell based upon viewership. The MW tv deals are minor as is. Getting an occasional playoff slot doesn't overcome that. The conference simply can not look at things through a football prism alone. But, I agree, this may not be a conference NDSU should be pursuing.

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What I know:

1. Way too much about the intricacies of conference rules and media deal minutia. I mean years of this shit for EVERY conceivable conference and situation and why it is absolutely impossible to be a fit for a conference: and de facto the whole “highest competition opportunity thing”.

2. NDSU is decent at football and would robotic dominate Notre dame if those chickens would have the stones to schedule.

**And that covid took the Oregon game.**

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Originally Posted by MWC

You do know the MW is essentially an all sorts conference that plays football. Our tv deals don't come for football only. Those tv providers sell advertising for all those football and basketball games they show. That includes the streamers as well as the cable and broadcast tv. They sell based upon viewership. The MW tv deals are minor as is. Getting an occasional playoff slot doesn't overcome that. The conference simply can not look at things through a football prism alone. But, I agree, this may not be a conference NDSU should be pursuing.

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I do know there are other sports than football. And I still stand by my statement. Any conference that thinks grabbing crappy teams in a big market is the way to go in this day and age is blind to the future.

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Again, basketball is the focus. However the very best solution for the MW is to not add anybody. You have a fine football team but you aren't a difference maker. You also come from a small market so no add there.

I am agreeing with you..With what you are looking for, the MW is not right for NDSU at all..And more important, not much help to the MW..Just not a good fit all around..

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Originally Posted by MWC

Again, basketball is the focus. However the very best solution for the MW is to not add anybody. You have a fine football team but you aren't a difference maker. You also come from a small market so no add there.

I am agreeing with you..With what you are looking for, the MW is not right for NDSU at all..And more important, not much help to the MW..Just not a good fit all around..

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You sure seem pretty intent on keeping us out.
I see Nevada has Texas St and Incarnate Word on the schedule this year.

Would love to play Nevada a relegation football game.

I have no say either way. Mister Tailgater said that NDSU was not a good fit because the MW would like to be in larger markets. He believes that means the conference will die. He is correct as far as that plays for NDSU. If your calling card is football football football, moving to a basketball centric conference that has football is not at all in your best interests..The reason the MW would like to have some more big markets is primarily for basketball. That is where the conference can make hay. G5 football is not exactly the cash cow we would all like to see.

Like I said..If NDSU comes to the MW I will be supportive. Whether I think it is a good idea or not is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I have no say either way. Mister Tailgater said that NDSU was not a good fit because the MW would like to be in larger markets. He believes that means the conference will die. He is correct as far as that plays for NDSU. If your calling card is football football football, moving to a basketball centric conference that has football is not at all in your best interests..The reason the MW would like to have some more big markets is primarily for basketball. That is where the conference can make hay. G5 football is not exactly the cash cow we would all like to see.

Like I said..If NDSU comes to the MW I will be supportive. Whether I think it is a good idea or not is irrelevant.

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I think you are a great poster and you are always welcome here.

Personally, I've never been as enamored with the MWC as others on the board. I'd take an invite in a heartbeat, but it isn't a slam-dunk that we belong there. I think there is a significant CA mentality dominant in the MWC that I don't really care for. I personally wouldn't want to have to navigate playing teams from that state with all the travel boycotts BS and other stuff that comes out of there. Not to mention they are a bazillion miles away.

I actually think we are long-term better off going to something like the CUSA or the MAC and building a dynasty there. I do think if we ever do make it into FBS (and that looks less likely with each passing day given that this school's leadership has sat on its thumbs for years), it will probably be in the CUSA. If that happens, I think the MWC will come to regret that they could have had us at hello, but chose not to. And at that point, NDSU won't be looking at the MWC to improve our lot because we will either be doing fine where we are or are setting our sights higher than the MWC.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think you are a great poster and you are always welcome here.

Personally, I've never been as enamored with the MWC as others on the board. I'd take an invite in a heartbeat, but it isn't a slam-dunk that we belong there. I think there is a significant CA mentality dominant in the MWC that I don't really care for. I personally wouldn't want to have to navigate playing teams from that state with all the travel boycotts BS and other stuff that comes out of there. Not to mention they are a bazillion miles away.

I actually think we are long-term better off going to something like the CUSA or the MAC and building a dynasty there. I do think if we ever do make it into FBS (and that looks less likely with each passing day given that this school's leadership has sat on its thumbs for years), it will probably be in the CUSA. If that happens, I think the MWC will come to regret that they could have had us at hello, but chose not to. And at that point, NDSU won't be looking at the MWC to improve our lot because we will either be doing fine where we are or are setting our sights higher than the MWC.

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How do you know the MW is "choosing" not to add you? Things change everyday but in 4 years there will be a new contract to negotiate..It is hard to just assume anything one way or the other these days..

As for the CA influence, every school has a vote but it should be noted that there is a school in Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming who have just as much influence..The Air force Academy is a massively respected member by every MW school. It is a good bunch..

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Originally Posted by MWC

How do you know the MW is "choosing" not to add you? Things change everyday but in 4 years there will be a new contract to negotiate..It is hard to just assume anything one way or the other these days..

As for the CA influence, every school has a vote but it should be noted that there is a school in Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming who have just as much influence..The Air force Academy is a massively respected member by every MW school. It is a good bunch..

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How do I know? Um, well...because we have not been added. The MWC could have invited us before the current media deal. They could have reasonably justified an invite to us at anytime over the past decade. I have no doubt that if we had been invited, we would have taken it. So, the choice has been the MWC's. If it isn't because of the MWC's choosing that we have not been invited, then who's choosing might it be?

It's fine that this has been the MWC's choice. You belong to a very conservative conference with regard to expansion. CT and the presidents are always holding tight. That's fine. I just think the MWC might regret that some day. I think a conference should have some imagination going into this new era of football. The MWC is like the investor who said "no" to Apple stock in the early 2000s and instead put all their money in govt bonds. You arent losing money, but you're not a mover and shaker either. I'm convinced that NDSU could be someone's Apple stock when it was $14 a share in 2002. Apple stock has since split multiple times and the stock has grown 130 times its original value. NDSU is a good investment. The casual investor sees a state with 760,000 people and thinks ho-hum. A visionary investor sees NDSU sitting on the border with Minnesota (a state of almost 6 million). The visionary investor realizes that NDSU is all over the Twin Cities (I counted 3 NDSU billboards this weekend down there) and is aware that half of NDSU's student body are Minnesotans. A visionary investor is aware that there is some national interest in NDSU's move up to the FBS among college football fans and that, at least for a time, that would pull in some eyeballs. MWC sees an FCS program from a small school in a small state and is playing it safe. I'm okay with that, because we probably belong in a different conference anyway. But I think it kind of reflects a lack of vision.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we want an FBS invite the first thing we need to do is improve MBB. FB is already as good as it can be and that clearly isn't good enough to get an invite. Increasing enrollment would help a lot too.

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Originally Posted by taper

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we want an FBS invite the first thing we need to do is improve MBB. FB is already as good as it can be and that clearly isn't good enough to get an invite. Increasing enrollment would help a lot too.

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You work on men’s basketball for a couple more years. How much better you think? Talent? Facilities? Both? Womens bball too I suppose?

How are the academics doing per conference standards? Did an athlete get a dui along the way? Uh oh…

I’m all in on this independent robotic FBS bison thing.

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Originally Posted by taper

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we want an FBS invite the first thing we need to do is improve MBB. FB is already as good as it can be and that clearly isn't good enough to get an invite. Increasing enrollment would help a lot too.

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I agree that we need to improve MBB. And I definitely agree that we need to turn around enrollment. The problem on that last point is that the university rarely rewards high enrollment programs with investments in faculty and resources to boost those enrollments further. Rather, high enrollment programs tend to subsidize under-enrolled programs with the hopes that those under-enrolled programs will see increases. It is bass-ackwards.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

You sure seem pretty intent on keeping us out.
I see Nevada has Texas St and Incarnate Word on the schedule this year.

Would love to play Nevada a relegation football game.

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MWC is a troll. Just ignore him. It's not about keeping us out, it's about trying to get under our skin.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

MWC is a troll. Just ignore him. It's not about keeping us out, it's about trying to get under our skin.

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If you think MWC is a troll then I don't even know what to say about you. MWC gives a great outside voice.

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Originally Posted by taper

If you think MWC is a troll then I don't even know what to say about you. MWC gives a great outside voice.

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Linux recognize Linux bro.

That was cold.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

How do I know? Um, well...because we have not been added. The MWC could have invited us before the current media deal. They could have reasonably justified an invite to us at anytime over the past decade. I have no doubt that if we had been invited, we would have taken it. So, the choice has been the MWC's. If it isn't because of the MWC's choosing that we have not been invited, then who's choosing might it be?

It's fine that this has been the MWC's choice. You belong to a very conservative conference with regard to expansion. CT and the presidents are always holding tight. That's fine. I just think the MWC might regret that some day. I think a conference should have some imagination going into this new era of football. The MWC is like the investor who said "no" to Apple stock in the early 2000s and instead put all their money in govt bonds. You arent losing money, but you're not a mover and shaker either. I'm convinced that NDSU could be someone's Apple stock when it was $14 a share in 2002. Apple stock has since split multiple times and the stock has grown 130 times its original value. NDSU is a good investment. The casual investor sees a state with 760,000 people and thinks ho-hum. A visionary investor sees NDSU sitting on the border with Minnesota (a state of almost 6 million). The visionary investor realizes that NDSU is all over the Twin Cities (I counted 3 NDSU billboards this weekend down there) and is aware that half of NDSU's student body are Minnesotans. A visionary investor is aware that there is some national interest in NDSU's move up to the FBS among college football fans and that, at least for a time, that would pull in some eyeballs. MWC sees an FCS program from a small school in a small state and is playing it safe. I'm okay with that, because we probably belong in a different conference anyway. But I think it kind of reflects a lack of vision.

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The MW expanded twice before teams started leaving..First TCU then Boise. TCU, Utah and BYU left they expanded by adding NV, FSU and Hawaii then USU and SJSU. The Conference started with 8 and now sits at 12. I don't think they are particularly conservative about any of the moves. They have extended invitations to AAC schools who, to this point, have turned them down. Some of those discussions are ongoing and still active.

They publicly said that they aren't looking at UTEP or NMSU..Idaho too..

They wanted to get into Texas for various reasons. Had Fox and CBS been willing to play ball, I think SMU, Rice, UTSA and Tulsa would all be members..I think they may still..

However, that doesn't mean they haven't vetted you guys and the Montanas. I am certain they have. It also takes two to tango. Those FCS schools may not wish to move up and may not have interest in the MW.

In 2011 when the WAC lost NV, FSU and Hawaii, The Montanas were invited to join along with Texas State and UTSA. and they said no. That conference was still viable. There was USU, NMSU, SJSU, Idaho and La Tech still in place.

I am certainly not trying to troll anybody or get under anybody's skin. On this board the MW is called arrogant, cowardly and unimaginative. One fellow said the conference would die because they are looking to add bigger markets.

All I try to do is address some of the misconceptions about the MW that I see.

We may end up conference mates..We may not. However, the MW is not the bad guys. Things just have to make sense on some level. That is not arrogant or unimaginative..

To everyone's point, we need our MBB to greatly improve if we want to be seen as a strong candidate. Right now we'd be consistently about 25th percentile just looking at year end sagarin rankings. Not so bad that we can't get an invite, but definitely not good enough to be seen as improving the conference.

Meet everyone over in the basketball forum in 5 minutes

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Originally Posted by taper

If you think MWC is a troll then I don't even know what to say about you. MWC gives a great outside voice.

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At least I support Bison athletics. And you like the guy because he's against us moving to FBS, just like you.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

To everyone's point, we need our MBB to greatly improve if we want to be seen as a strong candidate. Right now we'd be consistently about 25th percentile just looking at year end sagarin rankings. Not so bad that we can't get an invite, but definitely not good enough to be seen as improving the conference.

Meet everyone over in the basketball forum in 5 minutes

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Just another example of how geography hurts our FBS chances. Some G5 conferences put a higher emphasis on basketball than others. It just so happens that the closest G5 conferences to us are both ones that feel that way(MWC & MAC). The G5 conferences that put the highest priority on football over basketball all happen to be the furthest from us. This is not our fault and it's not their fault. It's okay for them to have priorities different from ours. But it does put us in a rougher situation than we would have if we happened to be located in Texas, for instance. Personally, I'm all for finding a way to reallocate another million or so a year to MBB(and a decent amount to WBB) in order to beef up the program. A big chunk of that to coaching salaries to bring in better and/or more experienced coaches(including head), as well as a larger recruiting budget and spending more on guarantee games to improve the schedule. But it's not my money or my decision.


BTW, do any of you get dizzy in this thread? As a mostly outside observer on this thread, it just feels like a high-speed merry-go-round with the same dozen people saying the same dozen things over and over and over. Not saying you have to stop or anything, just wondering out loud why some of you bother? Nobodies' minds are being changed, so it feels like Einstein's definition of insanity playing out.

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Originally Posted by Hammersmith

Just another example of how geography hurts our FBS chances. Some G5 conferences put a higher emphasis on basketball than others. It just so happens that the closest G5 conferences to us are both ones that feel that way(MWC & MAC). The G5 conferences that put the highest priority on football over basketball all happen to be the furthest from us. This is not our fault and it's not their fault. It's okay for them to have priorities different from ours. But it does put us in a rougher situation than we would have if we happened to be located in Texas, for instance. Personally, I'm all for finding a way to reallocate another million or so a year to MBB(and a decent amount to WBB) in order to beef up the program. A big chunk of that to coaching salaries to bring in better and/or more experienced coaches(including head), as well as a larger recruiting budget and spending more on guarantee games to improve the schedule. But it's not my money or my decision.


BTW, do any of you get dizzy in this thread? As a mostly outside observer on this thread, it just feels like a high-speed merry-go-round with the same dozen people saying the same dozen things over and over and over. Not saying you have to stop or anything, just wondering out loud why some of you bother? Nobodies' minds are being changed, so it feels like Einstein's definition of insanity playing out.

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A) it’s the off-season (or at least has been)
B) there are major realignments, governmental and post season structural changes that have all taken place in the last couple of months
C) the ramifications of moving to FBS have about 1,000x the impact to the future of our university than one of our kids running a route correctly or some play getting called
D) conference realignment is fun to me in the “game of thrones” political sense

Yes, the mountain west has an increased attention towards basketball, but football still drives the bus. There are plenty of great basketball programs on the west coast and all have a 0% chance of getting into the Mountain West unless they got their football program to the level ours is at. Yes, basketball is not helping us but it’s not the most important thing to the conference. And our basketball program is not bad, it just wouldn’t be top half of the league in year one. I would think that’s okay…

Lol- dudes. MWC dude. Did they invite TCU AND BOISE STATE back in the day because of impressive basketball and geography?

It’s always a different hoop. If you try to do it their way- say fuck it now dudes.

We gotta go our way. Get a deal like liberty and go independant.

It’s the only way. Wake up sheeple!

Lol. J/k Wolfie. [emoji6]

Fucking Hawaii gets a geography pass and North Dakota doesn’t somehow???

Yeah… fuck you MWC dude…

Valley city is beautiful in the morning.

Come see THAT sunrise you MWC bitches…

Prefer Honolulu or some shit I suppose…

Is that trolling?

Is that what that is?

Robotic Bison. Driven by AI. Programmed to DOMINATE.

Mother fucker tested.

Mother approved.

FBS BISON.

TM

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

At least I support Bison athletics. And you like the guy because he's against us moving to FBS, just like you.

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No, just no. I'm not in any way against going FBS, just against killing NDSU athletics.

You guys remember when Teddy at chubs just ripped on a fucking guy brutal?. That stupid fucking drunk guy?

That was me dudes. [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by taper

No, just no. I'm not in any way against going FBS, just against killing NDSU athletics.

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Lol! Logic function still works!

We should have a thread in memory of Teddy and I’m sorry if I missed it.

But damn. I actually really miss that fucker.