A new and better FBS thread

I'll say it again. The new playoff format HAS to leave G5 conferences thinking about how to get stronger and less about media markets.

Adding a shitty team in CA or TX does nothing for your conferences chances of getting the one elusive auto bid.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigHorns

That's the death of bison football as we know it.

No media coverage/deal, crap opponents, and no CFP access will come out of that.
Unless we just buy the damn conference and boot them all out.

---

This just might work. But keep Liberty. They were ranked #17 in 2020.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think they'd take UTEP for one. Possibly Texas State to pair with them. Or maybe try to pull Tulsa over. Even NMSU gets the nod before us. I know NMSU sucks in football, but they would help the conf in BB and be an easy partner for UTEP. I just don't think they will look to FCS unless they have no FBS options.

If they do dip into FCS, they'll pull MSU and U of M before us. Or maybe Idaho. Idaho is a state with a growing population. If they lose Boise, maybe Idaho (as a recent FBS school who begrudgingly dropped down to FCS) becomes more attractive if they promise to make some investments.

If the MWC was interested in the many positive things that NDSU could bring (winning tradition, positive revenue, national interest, strong fan support, solidly run athletics dept with fundraising ability, R1 university status), we'd already have been invited. But they are not. They are interested in mountains, and/or Texas, and/or Calif. That's it. That's what is important to them.

---

I’d argue the opposite. If they wanted UTEP and NMSU, they would’ve already offered THEM. Lord knows they’ve had a million chances to do so. They are the schools who have been sitting there with their hands in their pockets waiting for an invite that has never come after what like 15 years? They average like 5k fans at a football game.

This is the first time in our history that we’ve had high FBS facilities. I could argue that we’ve never actually had a shot until now. All we need is an opening.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'll say it again. The new playoff format HAS to leave G5 conferences thinking about how to get stronger and less about media markets.

Adding a shitty team in CA or TX does nothing for your conferences chances of getting the one elusive auto bid.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

---

I agree. But no one in my lifetime has ever accused the MWC of having any imagination whatsoever. They never, ever imagine what could be.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think they'd take UTEP for one. Possibly Texas State to pair with them. Or maybe try to pull Tulsa over. Even NMSU gets the nod before us. I know NMSU sucks in football, but they would help the conf in BB and be an easy partner for UTEP. I just don't think they will look to FCS unless they have no FBS options.

If they do dip into FCS, they'll pull MSU and U of M before us. Or maybe Idaho. Idaho is a state with a growing population. If they lose Boise, maybe Idaho (as a recent FBS school who begrudgingly dropped down to FCS) becomes more attractive if they promise to make some investments.

If the MWC was interested in the many positive things that NDSU could bring (winning tradition, positive revenue, national interest, strong fan support, solidly run athletics dept with fundraising ability, R1 university status), we'd already have been invited. But they are not. They are interested in mountains, and/or Texas, and/or Calif. That's it. That's what is important to them.

---

None of us know what the MW is or isn't interested in. Thompson has no power or a vote. The decisions are made by the executive board and voted on by the full membership. League presidents decide everything and that is fluid with presidents coming and going.

We do know the tv providers told the MW they would not increase the payout to cover new members. We do know the deal runs for 4 more years.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'll say it again. The new playoff format HAS to leave G5 conferences thinking about how to get stronger and less about media markets.

Adding a shitty team in CA or TX does nothing for your conferences chances of getting the one elusive auto bid.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

---

Yes, I think you are correct, and FB only could become more viable in the 12-team model. With 4 teams in the "playoff", all the talent gravitates to 4 teams. We'll see if going to 12 breaks that up

Speaking of the MWC, Boise didn't look so great against the Beavers last night, and the Aztecs didn't look so great either ... first game of the season. We'll see

I also thought the MVFC didn't look so great. Bison and Jacks looked the best, and even they had warts. Maybe Air Force is legit this year, who knows. Yotes got shut out I believe, and Nebraska's sideline oozes major disfunction ... why I'm not a fan of bringing the home-town hero back to coach. Need to coach with your brain, not your emotions. Frost seems to have a hard time with that at Nebraska

There are only 2-3 teams in the MVFC that should even be in the conversation, so all this talk of the MVFC jumping up makes no sense. Why would the state of ND invest in taking the Bison to the next level, and then shoot themselves in the foot by investing even more to bring along an anchor? Sorry, it's just logic. Too many of you are D2 Midco homers, and I mean that in a nice friendly way, not the assholian way it comes off ...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Professorbum

I agree. But no one in my lifetime has ever accused the MWC of having any imagination whatsoever. They never, ever imagine what could be.

---

I think the only way the MW would add is to get bigger media markets..There is not a lot of those available.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MWC

None of us know what the MW is or isn't interested in. Thompson has no power or a vote. The decisions are made by the executive board and voted on by the full membership. League presidents decide everything and that is fluid with presidents coming and going.

We do know the tv providers told the MW they would not increase the payout to cover new members. We do know the deal runs for 4 more years.

---

That's rather surprising given other conferences are getting more when they add members.
(Well, outside cusa who basically doesn't have anything)

Would have to think that payout statement was conditional on who they wanted to add.
If MWC adds Washington and Oregon, no way they wouldn't ante up for that. It would pay for itself with viewers.
NMSU and UTEP would be different of course.

NDSU is probably somewhere between those two extremes in media value.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NDSU1980

So you're back to the same tired argument. The good conferences don't want us and you don't want a weak conference. That leaves FCS Forever for you, since according to you there's no other path.

You can always know with you, it will the same point of view every time.

---

I said CUSA. Because RIGHT NOW, NDSU adds nothing to MWC. Say it out loud to yourself.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think they'd take UTEP for one. Possibly Texas State to pair with them. Or maybe try to pull Tulsa over. Even NMSU gets the nod before us. I know NMSU sucks in football, but they would help the conf in BB and be an easy partner for UTEP. I just don't think they will look to FCS unless they have no FBS options.

If they do dip into FCS, they'll pull MSU and U of M before us. Or maybe Idaho. Idaho is a state with a growing population. If they lose Boise, maybe Idaho (as a recent FBS school who begrudgingly dropped down to FCS) becomes more attractive if they promise to make some investments.

If the MWC was interested in the many positive things that NDSU could bring (winning tradition, positive revenue, national interest, strong fan support, solidly run athletics dept with fundraising ability, R1 university status), we'd already have been invited. But they are not. They are interested in mountains, and/or Texas, and/or Calif. That's it. That's what is important to them.

---

Herder has said on his podcast that UC-Davis has to be in the top of the FCS discussions. Geography, enrollment, money....etc

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MWC

I think the only way the MW would add is to get bigger media markets..There is not a lot of those available.

---

you give them an OFFER THEY CANT REFUSE.

NDSU takes 0 tv revenue in exchange for keeping local TV/ESPN +

WIN WIN for everyone

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigHorns

That's rather surprising given other conferences are getting more when they add members.
(Well, outside cusa who basically doesn't have anything)

Would have to think that payout statement was conditional on who they wanted to add.
If MWC adds Washington and Oregon, no way they wouldn't ante up for that. It would pay for itself with viewers.
NMSU and UTEP would be different of course.

NDSU is probably somewhere between those two extremes in media value.

---

It looks like the Pac 10 is going to stick together for awhile but if any of them became available to the MW, the conference would add them even if it meant less dough in the short run.

I do think the MW was looking to possibly add SMU, UTSA and Rice but the providers didn't want to play ball.

The AAC jumped in and grabbed a lot of schools so that is that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El_Chapo

you give them an OFFER THEY CANT REFUSE.

NDSU takes 0 tv revenue in exchange for keeping local TV/ESPN +

WIN WIN for everyone

---

Stop making shit up and come up with a real plan. Fantasy land doesn't work in real world sports.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Stop making shit up and come up with a real plan. Fantasy land doesn't work in real world sports.

---

Remember who you are talking to.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Remember who you are talking to.

---

Yeah....all the fantasy land talk is getting old. Still haven't seen a real reason why MWC would want NDSU right now. There's nothing in it for them at this point.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NDSU92

A 13-0 MW champion with a win over a legit P5 program is in this 12 team playoff. Absolutely.

---

Legit win over a P5 team is not the same as a ranked win, just saying, we may need two ranked wins

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MWC

It looks like the Pac 10 is going to stick together for awhile but if any of them became available to the MW, the conference would add them even if it meant less dough in the short run.

I do think the MW was looking to possibly add SMU, UTSA and Rice but the providers didn't want to play ball.

The AAC jumped in and grabbed a lot of schools so that is that.

---

Ok, that makes sense. Those new schools get a reduced payout in the AAC also, $2m each instead of $7m
What the media will pay normally depends on how they assess the value.

I can understand MWC schools not wanting to take a paycut.
AAC went with two tiers instead and the legacy teams didn't take a hit.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Stop making shit up and come up with a real plan. Fantasy land doesn't work in real world sports.

---

Doesn't Boise have a deal where they get to keep their own media revenue for home games?
Pretty sure that's a point of contention in the MWC, and not something they would want again.

Edit: meant to respond to Chapo's proposal. The MWC history makes it unlikely they would go for that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Yeah....all the fantasy land talk is getting old. Still haven't seen a real reason why MWC would want NDSU right now. There's nothing in it for them at this point.

---

Most are operating off the assumption that Boise and SDSU leave the MW and the MW is then looking to backfill. Neither are obviously set in stone by any means. No one here thinks we’ll wake up tomorrow with an offer from the MW without something else happening first.

Except one guy who keeps screaming at the clouds for Larsen to send hookers to Craig Thompson’s office as if that would help lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigHorns

Doesn't Boise have a deal where they get to keep their own media revenue for home games?
Pretty sure that's a point of contention in the MWC, and not something they would want again.

---

Boise receives extra pay out of the conference..The tv providers don't pay it..The members do. It works out around 1.5 million per year. It was their demand to return to the MW from the Big East. It was a stupid deal then and it is a stupid deal now..While I don't think Boise is leaving, I don't think many in the conference would mind all that much if they did. They are not collegial partners. They whine, they make ridiculous demands and the they threaten to sue over and over.

If they were the program they were 8 or 9 years ago that would be okay..They aren't that any more..

Hawaii, as football only, gets a partial share of the tv deal and gets to keep the revenue from their Hawaii providers.

I do think San Diego State could leave. I would be sad to see them go but they would also get a hat tip from me if they got a P5 slot.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NDSU92

Most are operating off the assumption that Boise and SDSU leave the MW and the MW is then looking to backfill. Neither are obviously set in stone by any means. No one here thinks we’ll wake up tomorrow with an offer from the MW without something else happening first.

Except one guy who keeps screaming at the clouds for Larsen to send hookers to Craig Thompson’s office as if that would help lol

---

Could it hurt?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MWC

I think the only way the MW would add is to get bigger media markets..There is not a lot of those available.

---

What do bigger media markets give a conference in today's FBS landscape? Any conference thinking that way is on its way to the grave imo.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TAILG8R

What do bigger media markets give a conference in today's FBS landscape? Any conference thinking that way is on its way to the grave imo.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

---

AAC took that gamble the last round of realignment.
They took some not great schools like Rice and Charlotte on the hope they might become the next Cincinnati.

Will be interesting to watch and see if that works.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigHorns

AAC took that gamble the last round of realignment.
They took some not great schools like Rice and Charlotte on the hope they might become the next Cincinnati.

Will be interesting to watch and see if that works.

---

Yeah, it won't. There are literally more people in ND that care about NDSU than there are in Houston that care about Rice. My mom's in Houston. Everything is UT and A&M, with some UH left over. Rice is highly regarded locally for its academics. But no one cares at all about the Owls. No one watches. I'm guessing the same is true in North Carolina. UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, and Duke. Does anyone in Charlotte follow UNCC football? Prob not. Duke played them last year in Charlotte. 14,000 fans showed up. Against a P5.

Tv deals are based upon potential viewers in home cities..The MW has never made it a secret that they need more big cities to get a better tv deal. They talk about it all the time.
The problem is there isn't a whole lot of big city schools available. Adding a football program in a sparsely populated part of the country is not the key to a bigger tv deal for the MW. You have a nice brand but it is not enough to move the needle for the providers.

The MW plays the vast majority of their football games at night. They sometimes start as late as 8 PM PST. Nobody back east is watching. It is a regional package of interest primarily to MW fans.. Same goes for Basketball. The time slots are the main selling point..

The MW is not arrogant or afraid to play you..It does not lack imagination. The league operates on a small margin but continues to thrive by sticking together as best they can. Will it last? Who knows?

But right now, they aren't looking to add. If something unexpected happens like the Pac imploding it is a different situation. The conference has had major defections before and likely will again but they aren't desperate..

They all voted for really significant exit fees and that will have to be a consideration for teams looking to leave.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by taper

Get 4-7 midwest teams to jump as a group and form CUSA North division. I'd support that.

---

This is the way. Come on, SDSU, Montana and UNI. We can do this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MWC

Tv deals are based upon potential viewers in home cities..The MW has never made it a secret that they need more big cities to get a better tv deal. They talk about it all the time.
The problem is there isn't a whole lot of big city schools available. Adding a football program in a sparsely populated part of the country is not the key to a bigger tv deal for the MW. You have a nice brand but it is not enough to move the needle for the providers.

The MW plays the vast majority of their football games at night. They sometimes start as late as 8 PM PST. Nobody back east is watching. It is a regional package of interest primarily to MW fans.. Same goes for Basketball. The time slots are the main selling point..

The MW is not arrogant or afraid to play you..It does not lack imagination. The league operates on a small margin but continues to thrive by sticking together as best they can. Will it last? Who knows?

But right now, they aren't looking to add. If something unexpected happens like the Pac imploding it is a different situation. The conference has had major defections before and likely will again but they aren't desperate..

They all voted for really significant exit fees and that will have to be a consideration for teams looking to leave.

---

It is wild to me that Hawaii hasn’t been kicked out of the league. Yes, I know they pay $1M per year to be football only. I only just realized they play in a bad high school stadium because their regular stadium is condemned and deemed unfit for human occupation. People want to talk about geography, facilities, time zone or fan base, Hawaii is about as bad as it gets in every category.

Literally everyone here is saying the same thing. The MW doesn’t want us now, but that might change someday. My fingers are crossed. Y’all have a great conference and we’d be honored to be a part of it. We’re optimistic and confident so we think we’d do alright in it.

Hawaii is building a cool new stadium. Nobody is getting kicked out of the MW.

Like a few other possible schools, NDSU is in a more coveted central zone. That at the very least should help some for possible consideration imo

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NDSU92

It is wild to me that Hawaii hasn’t been kicked out of the league. Yes, I know they pay $1M per year to be football only. I only just realized they play in a bad high school stadium because their regular stadium is condemned and deemed unfit for human occupation. People want to talk about geography, facilities, time zone or fan base, Hawaii is about as bad as it gets in every category.

Literally everyone here is saying the same thing. The MW doesn’t want us now, but that might change someday. My fingers are crossed. Y’all have a great conference and we’d be honored to be a part of it. We’re optimistic and confident so we think we’d do alright in it.

---

I respect your school and were you to be added to the MW, I would be supportive. I don't know that the MW doesn't want you. I don't know that they do. I just try to address what I see as some misconceptions about the MW. Nothing about this mid major business is easy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MWC

Hawaii is building a cool new stadium. Nobody is getting kicked out of the MW.

---

Hawaii has been in the process of building a new stadium/renovating their old stadium for 20 years according to Wikipedia. It’s just wild to me

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MWC

I respect your school and were you to be added to the MW, I would be supportive. I don't know that the MW doesn't want you. I don't know that they do. I just try to address what I see as some misconceptions about the MW. Nothing about this mid major business is easy.

---

Sure thing, and your input is valued here. Although I know sometimes you’re just giving us shit and I try to respond in kind :).

You’ve made a Nevada fan out of me, cheers on the 2-0 start. Keep it up!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'll say it again. The new playoff format HAS to leave G5 conferences thinking about how to get stronger and less about media markets.

Adding a shitty team in CA or TX does nothing for your conferences chances of getting the one elusive auto bid.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

---

Dude…. Why make one shitty conference better by beating all their shitty teams every year….

When we can be INDEPENDENT and make ALL the SHITTY CONFERENCES and NOTRE LADY better by beating whoever tf we want to schedule and UN_.

Calvin pissing on Mercedes back window static sticker. Tm

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

ND doesn't just put their games online. So no, it doesn't "work okay" for them.

---

Yeah. They get sweetheart media deals to sell chip and rex Mercedes they compare with each other at the course…

Maybe after the round they will check the score on NBC at the 19th hole! Chuckle chortle!

Or they will hang out with each other in the locker room…?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Yes, it is now for sure. I had let myself get a little hope that the P2 would leave but I don’t see them doing that now. NCAA is showing signs of life. This is how it will be for the foreseeable future, but if you’re NDSU at this point I would say you’re better off being at the table than not, assuming you can get an invite that meets minimum standards

---

You do realize the CFP is not an NCAA organization and the winner is not an NCAA champion? At the end of the day the NCAA is a membership, compliance, and championship organization. The membership decides what rules they want to apply and follow. There is a lot of value in sharing that responsibility among all the NCAA universities.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IndyBison

You do realize the CFP is not an NCAA organization and the winner is not an NCAA champion? At the end of the day the NCAA is a membership, compliance, and championship organization. The membership decides what rules they want to apply and follow. There is a lot of value in sharing that responsibility among all the NCAA universities.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

---

Indy. I dislike most of your posts. But you honestly seem like you attempt to be really non-biased. Which I think is senseless so I instead embrace fanaticism. -we square here?

Anyway. Really appreciate your opinion on this. Non-biased as possible and also with you being “Indyana”…. Lol. Hope you are having fun there. [emoji6]

How much do you want NDSU to consistently molest those “Catholics”?

A. Dream about nightly
B. Some dreams and while on the toilet some.
C. Whenever I see a CL55 douche in shades and a suit.
D. Complete obsession

Thanks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IndyBison

You do realize the CFP is not an NCAA organization and the winner is not an NCAA champion? At the end of the day the NCAA is a membership, compliance, and championship organization. The membership decides what rules they want to apply and follow. There is a lot of value in sharing that responsibility among all the NCAA universities.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

---

Right. NDSU is the official NCAA champion.

CFB needs structure and guidance. I think the TP might actually be a good thing for parity, but there has to be structure. Seems the NCAA just provided some. Probably do the same with NIL?

I thought they would break away entirely not too long ago. Now I'm not so sure

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Right. NDSU is the official NCAA champion.

CFB needs structure and guidance. I think the TP might actually be a good thing for parity, but there has to be structure. Seems the NCAA just provided some. Probably do the same with NIL?

I thought they would break away entirely not too long ago. Now I'm not so sure

---

Lol!

When is the last time Notre Dame even SMELLED a NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP?

Manti Tao? Smells more like CATFISH!

FargoDome>Golden Dome

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Stop making shit up and come up with a real plan. Fantasy land doesn't work in real world sports.

---

this is our best chance, to get creative & not take revenue from MWC