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Kelly green is for UN_ posers.
At least half of Grand Forks is in a cool state.
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i miss chubs corp
You might want to check how a 12 team bracket looks. There’s literally nothing they could do to schedule us against Bama or any top four seed… that’s the beauty of a 12 over a 16 team bracket.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Was Cincy not ranked #4 last year from a G5? Am I missing something?
Go undefeated, win your conference, beat at least one good p5 in non-con. You’ll be in the playoff
American sports are rarely fair and equitable. It is survival of the fittest and nobody is in the charity business. The reality is there are less than 10 programs capable of winning the national title most years. Sometimes a Cinderella will emerge but that school will likely come from a P5 conference. The view I see on this board frequently is this makes the other schools across the country an afterthought. That would include most of P5 too.
I understand your desire to move up to FBS and challenge yourself. If you really like the MW and you truly want to play those schools that is one thing. However, if you think the MW should just take you because you dominated FCS or that the conference is desperate you are wrong. The MW is about a lot of things. While they would be absolutely delighted to be in the top 6 they are also delighted to get multiple teams in the NCAA's.
You certainly could be invited to the MW but if you think it greases the wheel for you to be a big national story and not an "afterthought", your are delusional.
The conference a school is in doesn't make you a success. It is up to the individual schools to make their own hay.
ND doesn't just put their games online. So no, it doesn't "work okay" for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by I miss Chubs
I have no idea why MWC would want NDSU at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
What you are missing is Houston, UCF and Cincy are all P5 next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Find me another G5 in the top 25 right now.
If you can't climb into the top 12, you're not getting anything anything but the low seed.
It will be the "top G5" slotted against whoever is #5 ... and it still won't be pretty.
And there is no way 1 P5 win is going to get you in playing in CUSA, unless that P5 is Alabama and you smoke them.
They wouldn't. Can we talk about how to make CUSA work? I get the downsides, but like it or not, CUSA is the only FBS conference who might be remotely interested in us right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
You're looking at this as a one-off. Do this 2-3 years in a row, along with winning bowl games, and yes we would get in. Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Get 4-7 midwest teams to jump as a group and form CUSA North division. I'd support that. Going CUSA by ourselves is a death sentence. Anybody wanting that is completely insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Dump all the existing schools, and replace them with MVFC ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
The problem is that FIU, UTEP, NMSU, JSU, and likely even SHSU are boat anchors.
WKU/MTSU are the best teams left, and they aren't looking good either.
WKU : struggled with Austin Peay, beat a bad Hawaii team that Vanderbilt destroyed.
MTSU : blown out by JMU 44-7
I see no way to fix this level of suck without dumping those schools and starting over.
I’m onboard, honestly I think this is our best bet!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
We would need two ranked P5 wins in order to make the final playoffs like Cinci did last year. The team with the best ranked team wins is the teams making the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
And then again...why would a P5 team schedule NDSU? A loss to the Bison is a dagger.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Yep...CUSA is the only option in the near future. (I'm down with Bighorns idea).Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Who cares what they are next year? They made a 4 team playoff as a G5?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I mean Jesus. We shouldn’t move to FBS because if we were a top 12 team we might have to play a difficult team in the playoffs? Good lord…
They will schedule the bison once we are FBS. You telling me the P5 doesn’t schedule a good G5 school because they are scared?Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
A 13-0 MW champion with a win over a legit P5 program is in this 12 team playoff. Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Yeah. MN, Kansas State, Iowa, Iowa State...for example....already tough for them to crack the Top 12 once they run through their conference gauntlet. I don't think being FBS makes it any easier to schedule those schools with a potential loss. The big dogs such Ohio State and the like maybe a different story with an ass kicking.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
I know you see this as totally 'unfair' but the at large bids will go to P5 schools who have defeated a whole bunch of P5 schools over a G5 who beat one. That is fair..
The automatic 6th seed is a gift but the object is to get 12 great teams in there.
This I agree with. And in the MWC it might not even take a 13-0 run to do it. Just needs to be better than AAC and SBC champs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Almost every year one of MWC, AAC or SBC is going to get that G5 slot.
Who you face in conference absolutely matters as far as the CFP goes.
That's going to be a rarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
The champion of the overall highest rated G5 conference gets the 6th spot automatically. There will be a G5 school 'every' season. At large spots will be tougher to come by, though
Yes and No. The top P5 aren't going to take an unnecessary risk when they've already got a strong conference slate.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Especially not away from home. But they will sometimes schedule a "big time" game OOC like Notre Dame (who is more P5 than G5) as an ACC affiliate.
Alabama OOC: Utah St, ULM, Austin Peay at home, Texas away game
OSU OOC: Notre Dame, Arkansas St, Toledo at home, Maryland away game
One change happening is the P5 are looking to schedule more P5 games now overall.
Most of the G5 games will be buy games that they expect to win easily.
yea I don't get the teeth gnashingQuote:
Originally Posted by MWC
if NDSU is in MWC and win it and MWC is the 6th best conference! we are in the top 12 playoff and it'd be the biggest thing to hit north dakota since the horse and buggy
MWC is absolutely the answer. It opens the door enough to get access to the CFP.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
MWC or bust.
Why would MWC take NDSU? Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
You know that I'm in your Amen Corner most of the time. But we're not getting into the current MWC. We're just not. If they only have a couple slots to fill, they ain't taking an FCS team. And if they have a ton of slots to fill in order to survive and we get in, it would no longer be the same MWC that would garner automatic respect as the best G5. I would, of course, take it at that point. But if we are going to be the best team in a depleted conference, we might as well do CUSA now and start the FBS era forthwith rather than wait for the MWC to implode later.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
The key is how the lower parts of the conference do in a given season. Every conference member has to contribute something to qualify for that auto slot..
Of course it is. But there IS a path now for G5 schools. Multiple even.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Facilities? Check
Athletic budget? Check
Playoff system? Check
FCOA? Check
(Would still like to get NIL at NDSU figured out) Not check
It’s time, we can figure out NIL on the way there
When Boise and SDSU go, who will they backfill with if not us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Yeah it's time. It's going to be CUSA time.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Likely nobody..Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Yeah i know what youve been saying, I just don’t see it. Every other conference is getting bigger and loading up and the mountain west is going to be happy with getting smaller?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
That's the death of bison football as we know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
No media coverage/deal, crap opponents, and no CFP access will come out of that.
Unless we just buy the damn conference and boot them all out.
At this point, whatever. If it makes sense to pull the trigger for football only CUSA or whatever just make it happen. I’m in the get us to FBS and let’s see how it all shakes out camp. Waiting for Boise and SDSU and maybe more to move might take a lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I think MWC is going to be a legit possibility in the next 1-2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
We still haven't seen the fallout of the PAC moves yet, and there could be more pending.
It would be foolish to strap ourselves to some other garbage, when this is just taking shape.
The 12 team playoff changes the equation for the P5. They already get 5 guaranteed slots and likely most of the at large spots. Adding G5 schools is not all that important unless they are in big cities..Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Neither Boise or SDSU is going to do a sideways move to another G5 because of the large exit fees. Maybe, the Pac 12 or the B12 adds San Diego to get Socal exposure but Boise is not the same population wise.
So you're back to the same tired argument. The good conferences don't want us and you don't want a weak conference. That leaves FCS Forever for you, since according to you there's no other path.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
You can always know with you, it will the same point of view every time.
I think they'd take UTEP for one. Possibly Texas State to pair with them. Or maybe try to pull Tulsa over. Even NMSU gets the nod before us. I know NMSU sucks in football, but they would help the conf in BB and be an easy partner for UTEP. I just don't think they will look to FCS unless they have no FBS options.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
If they do dip into FCS, they'll pull MSU and U of M before us. Or maybe Idaho. Idaho is a state with a growing population. If they lose Boise, maybe Idaho (as a recent FBS school who begrudgingly dropped down to FCS) becomes more attractive if they promise to make some investments.
If the MWC was interested in the many positive things that NDSU could bring (winning tradition, positive revenue, national interest, strong fan support, solidly run athletics dept with fundraising ability, R1 university status), we'd already have been invited. But they are not. They are interested in mountains, and/or Texas, and/or Calif. That's it. That's what is important to them.