A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by MWC

If the 12 team playoff would have been in place last season, Utah State would have been the 6th seed. USU had an excellent season but they were not the best G5 team. They probably weren't even the best team in the MW. They beat SDSU in the championship game.

No G5 conference is "screwed" It still comes down to winning games. Instead of 4 nearly impossible slots to get, G5 gets a guaranteed spot. That is not the worst outcome. However, there are 131 FBS football schools. That means 119 will not be in the playoffs. Does that make them worthless afterthoughts?

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That's very bad news if it works like that.

The P5 control FBS, and yes, their goal is to make the G5 an afterthought.
You will almost always see 1 G5 out of 60 teams make it, and two of the conferences are basically eliminated before a game is even played.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

It's really now or never for NDSU to FBS. If they miss out now they will be stuck in division 3 for ever. There's no reason not to be pushing all the chips in at this point. Get your ass in gear Matt!

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It's ridiculous to think they aren't planning/working behind the scenes. Assinine, really. The B1G and SEC aren't even done picking their favorites yet. From there, NDSU will have to decide what situation/offer is best.

It isn't bad news for the conference who gets that bid.

Idk bros Samantha Houston is looking pretty fbs right now

That could be us losing to TAMU by 7.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Idk bros Samantha Houston is looking pretty fbs right now

That could be us losing to TAMU by 7.

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But what if we were beating them by 7? Or by 14? I'm convinced that if we were in the CUSA and we go undefeated a couple years in a row, and we decimate most of our conference mates and adequately beat the likes of WKU and Liberty as well as our OOC's, we get invited to the new playoff. People want to see if NDSU is all that. There would now be a pathway. The mindset of holding out for MWC or bust, or even worse--MWC with SDSU or bust--is going to be NDSU football's undoing. In the new format, even ESPN won't give two shits about our 15th, 16th, and 17th FCS national championship. No one will. Including most NDSU fans. I can't believe more people don't see this. Heck, it is probably already too late. We probably missed our chance. But if CUSA would take us, we should be moving...NOW.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

But what if we were beating them by 7? Or by 14? I'm convinced that if we were in the CUSA and we go undefeated a couple years in a row, and we decimate most of our conference mates and adequately beat the likes of WKU and Liberty as well as our OOC's, we get invited to the new playoff. People want to see if NDSU is all that. There would now be a pathway. The mindset of holding out for MWC or bust, or even worse--MWC with SDSU or bust--is going to be NDSU football's undoing. In the new format, even ESPN won't give two shits about our 15th, 16th, and 17th FCS national championship. No one will. Including most NDSU fans. I can't believe more people don't see this. Heck, it is probably already too late. We probably missed our chance. But if CUSA would take us, we should be moving...NOW.

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You honestly think the winner of the future CUSA will be the G5 rep?

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Idk bros Samantha Houston is looking pretty fbs right now

That could be us losing to TAMU by 7.

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Jackrabbits too. Bring them with us to the CUSA. Would probably hurt our undefeated regular season dreams though.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

You honestly think the winner of the future CUSA will be the G5 rep?

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I actually like you, DD. And I'm gonna take your question as sincere. Like, do I honest think that. I honestly think that with 2-3 seasons as I described, then yes. I think we'd be a top 15 team and I think we'd get an opportunity in the playoff. First year, no. Second year maybe. 3 years of undefeated and literal dominance (which of course is not guaranteed that we would do that), then yes. I think we would be included in a 12-team version. I honestly do.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Also now what happens to non-conference games? For example....a B1G team v MAC? B1G v MWC? There's risk in losing games now, but with 6 at large a non conference loss carries more weight? Not sure this bodes well for future FBS scheduling even when NDSU is in a G5 conference.

Looking forward to seeing how the chips start falling now, anyway.

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G5 teams will be forced to take non conference scheduling seriously if they want to be the top G5 team. They need to schedule tough games like Cinci did last year.

As far as the MWC getting poached I don’t see it with this 12 team playoff why would the PAC-8 want to add any teams if they only have 8 teams to compete against and increase their odds. This playoff will be changing the landscape once again.

We cannot move to the CUSA and expect to move to another conference later with no guarantees . We may be stuck in the CUSA forever.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I actually like you, DD. And I'm gonna take your question as sincere. Like, do I honest think that. I honestly think that with 2-3 seasons as I described, then yes. I think we'd be a top 15 team and I think we'd get an opportunity in the playoff. First year, no. Second year maybe. 3 years of undefeated and literal dominance (which of course is not guaranteed that we would do that), then yes. I think we would be included in a 12-team version. I honestly do.

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Everyone should like me. Just ask El Chapo.

I don't think CUSA will get a sniff. Ever. And I don't think Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas State will come calling to schedule NDSU for non conference anymore (not that they are but it was assumed it would happen when NDSU jumps) either if NDSU was CUSA. A loss in that situation for them is devastating before their conference.

Problem now is....CUSA may be the only chance. All I hope is it doesn't bury the rest of NDSU athletics along the way.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

G5 teams will be forced to take non conference scheduling seriously if they want to be the top G5 team. They need to schedule tough games like Cinci did last year.

As far as the MWC getting poached I don’t see it with this 12 team playoff why would the PAC-8 want to add any teams if they only have 8 teams to compete against and increase their odds. This playoff will be changing the landscape once again.

We cannot move to the CUSA and expect to move to another conference later with no guarantees . We may be stuck in the CUSA forever.

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All good points. No reason for the MWC to change now. You are correct.

CUSA it is. I wish Bunnies and Montanas would roll with NDSU but that's unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I actually like you, DD. And I'm gonna take your question as sincere. Like, do I honest think that. I honestly think that with 2-3 seasons as I described, then yes. I think we'd be a top 15 team and I think we'd get an opportunity in the playoff. First year, no. Second year maybe. 3 years of undefeated and literal dominance (which of course is not guaranteed that we would do that), then yes. I think we would be included in a 12-team version. I honestly do.

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In this scenario what kind of non conference wins do you see us having to be the top G5 team while playing a CUSA schedule?

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

All good points. No reason for the MWC to change now. You are correct.

CUSA it is. I wish Bunnies and Montanas would roll with NDSU but that's unlikely.

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The only way I’m taking a a CUSA invite is if we take 5 other teams with us to create a CUSA North division. That is the ONLY way I ever see CUSA working out!!!!

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

In this scenario what kind of non conference wins do you see us having to be the top G5 team while playing a CUSA schedule?

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Well, hopefully we'd pull in some regional P5's once in a while. SHSU playing TAM. I mean, play it out. First year of eligibility and we cream the conference and win our OOCs (which may well be mediocre teams). We go to a low level bowl and kick whoever's ass. People wonder if we should have gotten a better bowl. We finish top 20. Year two...we kill everyone again, including OOC. Decent teams start to schedule us for future OOC because a win is a good win and a loss isn't death. We draw a decent bowl against a decent (winning record) P5. We beat them. Year three...we start out season top 15. Season progresses the same as before. Also, maybe the other G5 conf winners are not undefeated. We are. People think we deserve a shot. There's general fan interest to see how we can go. No one cares that we are CUSA. People dont remember if Boise was WAC or MWC when they beat Oklahoma. We get a playoff birth. I believe it could happen just like that.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Best team getting housed by 8 TDs or the G5 tells the P5 to piss off and does their own thing. That's how.

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There is little reason to think they'll get beat that bad regularly. Any given year, there is a couple G5's that can play/beat a top ten team.

I dont think anyone (including G5 fans) would be excited to watch a G5 tourney if the best G5 team isn't there.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

There is little reason to think they'll get beat that bad regularly. Any given year, there is a couple G5's that can play/beat a top ten team.

I dont think anyone (including G5 fans) would be excited to watch a G5 tourney if the best G5 team isn't there.

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It would be 100x more interesting than the G5 bowl games.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Well, hopefully we'd pull in some regional P5's once in a while. SHSU playing TAM. I mean, play it out. First year of eligibility and we cream the conference and win our OOCs (which may well be mediocre teams). We go to a low level bowl and kick whoever's ass. People wonder if we should have gotten a better bowl. We finish top 20. Year two...we kill everyone again, including OOC. Decent teams start to schedule us for future OOC because a win is a good win and a loss isn't death. We draw a decent bowl against a decent (winning record) P5. We beat them. Year three...we start out season top 15. Season progresses the same as before. Also, maybe the other G5 conf winners are not undefeated. We are. People think we deserve a shot. There's general fan interest to see how we can go. No one cares that we are CUSA. People dont remember if Boise was WAC or MWC when they beat Oklahoma. We get a playoff birth. I believe it could happen just like that.

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Could happen? In an absolutely perfect world, sure. 1% chance…you’re telling me there’s a chance.

THE TOP 6 CONFERENCES GET A SPOT IN TOP 6 SPOTS.

so highest ranked G5 conference will get a representative in this

NDSU could easily be that if MWC or AAC or CUSA is in there

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

THE TOP 6 CONFERENCES GET A SPOT IN TOP 6 SPOTS.

so highest ranked G5 conference will get a representative in this

NDSU could easily be that if MWC or AAC or CUSA is in there

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Easily. No. That’s ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Easily. No. That’s ridiculous.

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if NDSU is in MWC and they are the 6th ranked conference and NDSU is the MWC champion. then they are IN

easily

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Idk bros Samantha Houston is looking pretty fbs right now

That could be us losing to TAMU by 7.

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Well, this didn't age well. 31-0 Final.

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Originally Posted by taper

Well, this didn't age well. 31-0 Final.

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They faked a weather delay to catch their breath bro.

Jumbo is a cheater.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

if NDSU is in MWC and they are the 6th ranked conference and NDSU is the MWC champion. then they are IN

easily

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If….if….if….ya but….ya but…..

MWC don’t need NDSU. Find the path in CUSA that’s what we got right now

by 2026 the DOOR WILL BE CLOSED


you make MWC work by any way necessary.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

by 2026 the DOOR WILL BE CLOSED


you make MWC work by any way necessary.

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Hope I'm around to see it.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

by 2026 the DOOR WILL BE CLOSED


you make MWC work by any way necessary.

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enjoy the CUSA.

if the CUSA is all NDSU can do. than so be it

but like I said repeatedly.

you call up MWC. have a private meeting w Craig Thompson & select presidents and say

"we will take less & we will do whatever it takes, just get us in"

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

In this scenario what kind of non conference wins do you see us having to be the top G5 team while playing a CUSA schedule?

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I don’t get it.

Is NDSU so good they still couldn’t schedule good teams with an FBS monicker attached, but still so obvi “not good” that they would be denied playoffs because of it?

When has this happened? Teams with a “suck” schedule that go undefeated (very rare actually happens) have such an obvi intended suck schedule and don’t dominate that I recall.

NDSU dominance runs through years of good schedule (well “overmatched” FBS opponents) and dominating suck schedule to the point…

Well they usually get invited to playoffs at this level anyway…

This negative logic is broken. ALWAYS has been.

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Originally Posted by I miss Chubs

I don’t get it.

Is NDSU so good they still couldn’t schedule good teams with an FBS monicker attached, but still so obvi “not good” that they would be denied playoffs because of it?

When has this happened? Teams with a “suck” schedule that go undefeated (very rare actually happens) have such an obvi intended suck schedule and don’t dominate that I recall.

NDSU dominance runs through years of good schedule (well “overmatched” FBS opponents) and dominating suck schedule to the point…

Well they usually get invited to playoffs at this level anyway…

This negative logic is broken. ALWAYS has been.

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The problem is the deck is VERY stacked against all FBS G5 teams.
It is likely only one G5 team will get a bid 8 or 9 out of 10 years.

It's further stacked against lower G5 conferences.
The SOS of playing 8 weak teams from a conference like CUSA is what would tank playoff hopes.

Join the MWC and the odds are quite good. i think they get that bid at least 3-5 out of 10 years.
AAC and SBC will get that bid most years that the MWC does not.

It's simply the way the system is designed now.
You will need a LOT of "high quality" wins to get the bid, and OOC won't be enough.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

The problem is the deck is VERY stacked against all FBS G5 teams.
It is likely only one G5 team will get a bid 8 or 9 out of 10 years.

It's further stacked against lower G5 conferences.
The SOS of playing 8 weak teams from a conference like CUSA is what would tank playoff hopes.

Join the MWC and the odds are quite good. i think they get that bid at least 3-5 out of 10 years.
AAC and SBC will get that bid most years that the MWC does not.

It's simply the way the system is designed now.
You will need a LOT of "high quality" wins to get the bid, and OOC won't be enough.

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F it. How much money is this magic conference really going to provide that couldn’t be captured independently? I really question that.

Current conference media deal: $0. Now that is shrewd…. I pay ESPN $10 a month during the season. NDSU gets $0 for their contribution in return for??? Distribution? ESPN was a thing I guess.. times have changed.

INDEPENDANT. F It. Games on YouTube or something. It’s like TEXAS submitting to a big 12 media deal when they capture 50% of the revenue (not sure but whatever %) and sharing it with everyone..

I don’t care how “small timey” people THINK NDSU is. They are not. They are the story.

NDSU should make their OWN media deal, and they will DWARF what liberty brings with online moneys if they can INDEPENDENTLY schedule whoever they want. And win. Just keep winning, until people are watching to see when they loose. If they ever loose.

Because everyone is tired of seeing them with 80% of games by 50.

Schedule those drunk irish Catholic midgets under a 10% media share deal. And beat them.

Lots of people would tune in for that one. Because I am not the ONLY person that wants to have the lady exposed EVERY YEAR.

Could be by this team that is “really good, at the FCS level…”.

Havent we seen enough to know that is complete bullshit?

At some point, it is that simple. The money WILL come. Bring on the competition, and quit running things by committee.

That is grand forks style. Leaders inaction.

NDSU…. Action. Enough talking like the Sioux sports board. At least their fans consistently believe they could do it. This “realism” is on the verge of fantasy after all of the obvious ass this program kicks on the field.

It’s statistically unfathomable if you THINK about it. Since 1965…. They only win the championship of their level 33% of the time…. Over ~70 years??? Think about that. Took what, 4 years off playoff eligibility in there for d1 transition?

And I think they will maintain a similar clip at the highest level once the Bison get their hooves under them.

And if you think I am being unrealistic…. I have a LOT of stats that say otherwise.

Use YOUR brains.

I mean… if UN_ can get this “Indian in the cupboard” thing to blow over? NDSU *might* get a pass on the headdress that used to be in their possession.

Then it’s FBS OR BUST man.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

The problem is the deck is VERY stacked against all FBS G5 teams.
It is likely only one G5 team will get a bid 8 or 9 out of 10 years.

It's further stacked against lower G5 conferences.
The SOS of playing 8 weak teams from a conference like CUSA is what would tank playoff hopes.

Join the MWC and the odds are quite good. i think they get that bid at least 3-5 out of 10 years.
AAC and SBC will get that bid most years that the MWC does not.

It's simply the way the system is designed now.
You will need a LOT of "high quality" wins to get the bid, and OOC won't be enough.

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and yet the G5 will lap it up. I hope they lobby hard for monetary compensation of some sort for accepting what is clearly biased against them. I guess that will be in the TV deal?

as someone pointed out earlier, 6 + 6 won't be set in stone. It can evolve to something better

Alabama thumped Utah State yesterday. If some sort of parity is the end game, they're going to have to mix it up more

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

and yet the G5 will lap it up. I hope they lobby hard for monetary compensation of some sort for accepting what is clearly biased against them. I guess that will be in the TV deal?

as someone pointed out earlier, 6 + 6 won't be set in stone. It can evolve to something better

Alabama thumped Utah State yesterday. If some sort of parity is the end game, they're going to have to mix it up more

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Wait until you see how they seed the CFP.

If our MWC "friend" who likes to tell us we don't have an opening there is correct, Utah State would have gotten the G5 bid.
And like he said, they weren't even the best G5, just the one that would have been selected.

The committee is going to find a way to make that G5 bid the 12 seed facing off against Bama and OSU, at their house.
When they proceed to get pummeled, that will be the excuse moving forward to limit the G5 to one bid.

That token bid is just there to make it look like they are being inclusive. This is rigged for the P5.

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Originally Posted by I miss Chubs

F it. How much money is this magic conference really going to provide that couldn’t be captured independently? I really question that.

Current conference media deal: $0. Now that is shrewd…. I pay ESPN $10 a month during the season. NDSU gets $0 for their contribution in return for??? Distribution? ESPN was a thing I guess.. times have changed.

INDEPENDANT. F It. Games on YouTube or something. It’s like TEXAS submitting to a big 12 media deal when they capture 50% of the revenue (not sure but whatever %) and sharing it with everyone..

I don’t care how “small timey” people THINK NDSU is. They are not. They are the story.

NDSU should make their OWN media deal, and they will DWARF what liberty brings with online moneys if they can INDEPENDENTLY schedule whoever they want. And win. Just keep winning, until people are watching to see when they loose. If they ever loose.

Because everyone is tired of seeing them with 80% of games by 50.

Schedule those drunk irish Catholic midgets under a 10% media share deal. And beat them.

Lots of people would tune in for that one. Because I am not the ONLY person that wants to have the lady exposed EVERY YEAR.

Could be by this team that is “really good, at the FCS level…”.

Havent we seen enough to know that is complete bullshit?

At some point, it is that simple. The money WILL come. Bring on the competition, and quit running things by committee.

That is grand forks style. Leaders inaction.

NDSU…. Action. Enough talking like the Sioux sports board. At least their fans consistently believe they could do it. This “realism” is on the verge of fantasy after all of the obvious ass this program kicks on the field.

It’s statistically unfathomable if you THINK about it. Since 1965…. They only win the championship of their level 33% of the time…. Over ~70 years??? Think about that. Took what, 4 years off playoff eligibility in there for d1 transition?

And I think they will maintain a similar clip at the highest level once the Bison get their hooves under them.

And if you think I am being unrealistic…. I have a LOT of stats that say otherwise.

Use YOUR brains.

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If you want NDSU to put their games online and play an indy schedule, that would end very badly

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Wait until you see how they seed the CFP.

If our MWC "friend" who likes to tell us we don't have an opening there is correct, Utah State would have gotten the G5 bid.
And like he said, they weren't even the best G5, just the one that would have been selected.

The committee is going to find a way to make that G5 bid the 12 seed facing off against Bama and OSU, at their house.
When they proceed to get pummeled, that will be the excuse moving forward to limit the G5 to one bid.

That token bid is just there to make it look like they are being inclusive. This is rigged for the P5.

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Yes, it is now for sure. I had let myself get a little hope that the P2 would leave but I don’t see them doing that now. NCAA is showing signs of life. This is how it will be for the foreseeable future, but if you’re NDSU at this point I would say you’re better off being at the table than not, assuming you can get an invite that meets minimum standards

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

This is how it will be for the foreseeable future, but if you’re NDSU at this point I would say you’re better off being at the table than not, assuming you can get an invite that meets minimum standards

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With the FCS dying we don't really have much choice, FBS is the only option forward.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

If you want NDSU to put their games online and play an indy schedule, that would end very badly

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Explain. Seems to work okay for your favorite team.

**whom NDSU, who is very much UNLIKE UTAH f*ing State. Would thump repeatedly on overdrive. Like a Robotic Bison.**

BTW…. When I suggest teams with a “SUCK” schedule getting in?

That is directed at your ladies…

Internet today > than NBC deal in the late ‘90s

If you aren’t a suck poser team.