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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

With the bigs controlling this they will figure out a way to get a couple of teams from each of there mega conferences to get in. NCAA is letting them run the show and have from inception. Only way a non power 5 team gets in is if the politicos bring pressure. The politicos are the only reason we have a playoff now. The threat of political involvement is the only thing that moves the needle.

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Man- F those guys man. NDSU is the BIG.

They just don’t know it yet. How does a Bison out Swagger those supposed “bigs”?

Quit playing by their rules man. No more finesse.

Blunt force trauma.

Bison Football.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

NDSU vs a SEC team at US BANK? A whole new box checked in the "shit that will never happen" part of the arguement.

NDSU belongs G5. That's where they'll end up.

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dude the scenario we are talking about is IF NDSU WAS MWC and got a 8 seed and played a SEC team as a 9 in a Playoff. WE'D have to move it to US BANK and we'd sell 60,000+

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

NDSU vs a SEC team at US BANK? A whole new box checked in the "shit that will never happen" part of the arguement.

NDSU belongs G5. That's where they'll end up.

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Yep. And the bigs aren't going to share any piece of the pie. That was one of the purposes of gaining autonomy.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Josh Criswell

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Yep. And with the AAC losing its best teams, the Mountain West has to feel good about its chances to be in the mix for the No. 6 spot most years.




NDSU ADMIN. call the MWC say. "in light of new playoff format! NDSU is willing to do what it takes to get an invite asap... you need 1-2 neutral games? done, take a lesser percentage of tv money if we can keep our local tv...fine!!!"

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If the 12 members of the MW are already in the 6th auto bid hunt, I am not sure they would be looking to add..

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

dude the scenario we are talking about is IF NDSU WAS MWC and got a 8 seed and played a SEC team as a 9 in a Playoff. WE'D have to move it to US BANK and we'd sell 60,000+

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Yeah no shit. That'll never happen in our lifetimes. Stop making up scenarios that aren't realistic and I'll get behind them.

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Originally Posted by MWC

If the 12 members of the MW are already in the 6th auto bid hunt, I am not sure they would be looking to add..

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Stop that common sense now. We are planning a game at US Bank against Georgia.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Yep. And the bigs aren't going to share any piece of the pie. That was one of the purposes of gaining autonomy.

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Do the “bigs” have to share with Liberty?

Our Lady of the Rich?


ROBOTIC BISON INDEPENDENCE OR BUST!! TM

Maintain our FCS Schedule as we ramp up???


Bros??? You seeing this???

Like a well written novel man!


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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Yeah no shit. That'll never happen in our lifetimes. Stop making up scenarios that aren't realistic and I'll get behind them.

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Bookmarking this post. see ya at Cowboy Jack's in 2028!!

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

With the bigs controlling this they will figure out a way to get a couple of teams from each of there mega conferences to get in. NCAA is letting them run the show and have from inception. Only way a non power 5 team gets in is if the politicos bring pressure. The politicos are the only reason we have a playoff now. The threat of political involvement is the only thing that moves the needle.

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From what I've been reading it sure sounds like a. G5 will get a seat at the playoff table each year when all is said and done.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

From what I've been reading it sure sounds like a. G5 will get a seat at the playoff table each year when all is said and done.

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That would be nice.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

That would be nice.

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I'll believe it when I see it but it does make a huge difference to me at how hard you push to move up.

I mentioned earlier that imo it also means IF a G5 conference adds a school, strength of their football program becomes .ore important than market.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'll believe it when I see it but it does make a huge difference to me at how hard you push to move up.

I mentioned earlier that imo it also means IF a G5 conference adds a school, strength of their football program becomes .ore important than market.

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The devil will be in the details. Top 6 get in. Then 6 at large. Think back to Notre dame being an independent. They had parameters written up if the were better than x team because of this and that then they would take that teams place. That scenario was some time back. Going to be interesting.

Talking heads just said 6 conference champions then the next 6 highest rated.
So the 6th team is a crap shoot.

That was under the BCS era. I think this will be somewhat different. ND will have a real shot at one of the at large spots most years..

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Yep. And with the AAC losing its best teams, the Mountain West has to feel good about its chances to be in the mix for the No. 6 spot most years, aka the highest ranked G5 conference team

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Originally Posted by MWC

That was under the BCS era. I think this will be somewhat different. ND will have a real shot at one of the at large spots most years..

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Yep but that just shows that they can write the rules however they wish.

So it's the. 6 highest rated conference champions.

Which means that 6th team is a crap shoot.
Plus the G5 isnt getting an at large bid.

The MW could get poached, though..

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Originally Posted by MWC

The highest ranked G5 conference will get an automatic berth in the playoff for their champion.

That means at least one G5 school every year.

The at large spots will be very hard to come by for G5..

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Yes, we are back where we started. There will be no "splits" in the foreseeable future

At least 1 G5 is in. Right now, that team is coming from the MWC, which should make the AAC hungry ...

Why would you do it? Why would you give up an odds-on favorite to win a trophy in Frisco TX every year, a trophy of which you have several?

You do it for the money. You do it for the brand. You do it for the opportunity to go into a P5 environment like we saw last night and end their season, while earning an opportunity to try to do it again the following weekend. That is a much bigger deal than dominating weaker competition for the "W" year after year in in FCS

But I don't make this call. None of us do ...

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Yes, we are back where we started. There will be no "splits" in the foreseeable future

At least 1 G5 is in. Right now, that team is coming from the MWC, which should make the AAC hungry ...

Why would you do it? Why would you give up an odds-on favorite to win a trophy in Frisco TX every year, a trophy of which you have several?

You do it for the money. You do it for the brand. You do it for the opportunity to go into a P5 environment like we saw last night and end their season, while earning an opportunity to try to do it again the following weekend. That is a much bigger deal than dominating weaker competition for the "W" year after year in in FCS

But I don't make this call. None of us do ...

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it's an easy decision
WEVE ALREADY DOMINATED FCS FFS.... its OVER .

time to be FBS & DO SOMETHING BIGGER THAN ANY OF US HAVE IMAGINED.

This move by the FBS does several things, but most notably, it solidifies the G5 as the official 2nd level of CFB, for decades most likely

I can't understand how anyone can speak in absolutes when talking about this.

When the 4 team playoff was announced many people said "well, that's it...they're taking their ball and going home. They'll never expand...never allow the poors in the G5 to play. No point in moving up now". Fast forward barely a decade and here comes a 12 team format with a guaranteed G5 player. Now we hear "pfffft sure, but a G5 will never get an at large".

How can anyone think it will stay at 12? Give it a decade and the talk of expansion will again start up. What happens if they go to 16...or good lord 20? ...and if you scoff at 20, people scoffed at 8...and here comes 12.
There will be seats at the table. If we stand pat and 10-15 years from now Georgia S., SHSU, or JMU make the playoff, I'll just have to shake my head.

You can come back and say never never never if you want, but just be sure to ask yourself if you were one of the crowd who said never to more than 4.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

This move by the FBS does several things, but most notably, it solidifies the G5 as the official 2nd level of CFB, for decades most likely

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It also solidifies the FCS as being a permanent garbage dump of football. We have to get out, Cook and ML have one job and that is to find us a conference.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

This move by the FBS does several things, but most notably, it solidifies the G5 as the official 2nd level of CFB, for decades most likely

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Will there be a G5 playoff?

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Originally Posted by No_Skill

I can't understand how anyone can speak in absolutes when talking about this.

When the 4 team playoff was announced many people said "well, that's it...they're taking their ball and going home. They'll never expand...never allow the poors in the G5 to play. No point in moving up now". Fast forward barely a decade and here comes a 12 team format with a guaranteed G5 player. Now we hear "pfffft sure, but a G5 will never get an at large".

How can anyone think it will stay at 12? Give it a decade and the talk of expansion will again start up. What happens if they go to 16...or good lord 20? ...and if you scoff at 20, people scoffed at 8...and here comes 12.
There will be seats at the table. If we stand pat and 10-15 years from now Georgia S., SHSU, or JMU make the playoff, I'll just have to shake my head.

You can come back and say never never never if you want, but just be sure to ask yourself if you were one of the crowd who said never to more than 4.

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NDSU will be in the mix by then just as much as those schools mentioned.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Will there be a G5 playoff?

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Very interesting question. I’d guess not. The G5 needs to be able to keep claiming they’re playing football with the big boys. Now they have an autobid. I would guess the G5 is afraid to drive any sort of separation further between them and the P# schools. As it currently sits they probably have an anti-trust case if some conferences break off to create a super league. If they create their own playoff those schools could point to that as the G5 already acting independently.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Very interesting question. I’d guess not. The G5 needs to be able to keep claiming they’re playing football with the big boys. Now they have an autobid. I would guess the G5 is afraid to drive any sort of separation further between them and the P# schools. As it currently sits they probably have an anti-trust case if some conferences break off to create a super league. If they create their own playoff those schools could point to that as the G5 already acting independently.

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Also now what happens to non-conference games? For example....a B1G team v MAC? B1G v MWC? There's risk in losing games now, but with 6 at large a non conference loss carries more weight? Not sure this bodes well for future FBS scheduling even when NDSU is in a G5 conference.

Looking forward to seeing how the chips start falling now, anyway.

http://youtu.be/ghQBOqywVcM

Watch, process, and discuss.

I think the opposite will be true of future scheduling, assuming we are G5. The scramble to get to that 6th auto bid will do two things; focus G5 realignment on quality of football and push non-conference games to find the best opponents. You might see less G5 vs P2 but G5 good vs good has to happen to increase strength of schedule. I think FCS vs G5 will be dead because it will kill SOS.

After I saw the news first thought was that the MAC is screwed and the AAC might be in trouble. The MAC will keep taking the payday games vs the Big 10 & Big 12 eat all the losses and never sniff the 6th bid. How does the AAC keep SMU? Good football and a boat load of cash. What ever happens to the PAC MW they will move to get into a top 6. I almost feel bad for USF and Memphis they are stuck in CUSA 3.0

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Will there be a G5 playoff?

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Why would the G5 have a playoff when their best team ain't participating lol

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Originally Posted by No_Skill

I can't understand how anyone can speak in absolutes when talking about this.

When the 4 team playoff was announced many people said "well, that's it...they're taking their ball and going home. They'll never expand...never allow the poors in the G5 to play. No point in moving up now". Fast forward barely a decade and here comes a 12 team format with a guaranteed G5 player. Now we hear "pfffft sure, but a G5 will never get an at large".

How can anyone think it will stay at 12? Give it a decade and the talk of expansion will again start up. What happens if they go to 16...or good lord 20? ...and if you scoff at 20, people scoffed at 8...and here comes 12.
There will be seats at the table. If we stand pat and 10-15 years from now Georgia S., SHSU, or JMU make the playoff, I'll just have to shake my head.

You can come back and say never never never if you want, but just be sure to ask yourself if you were one of the crowd who said never to more than 4.

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Boom.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Why would the G5 have a playoff when their best team ain't participating lol

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Best team getting housed by 8 TDs or the G5 tells the P5 to piss off and does their own thing. That's how.

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Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan

I think the opposite will be true of future scheduling, assuming we are G5. The scramble to get to that 6th auto bid will do two things; focus G5 realignment on quality of football and push non-conference games to find the best opponents. You might see less G5 vs P2 but G5 good vs good has to happen to increase strength of schedule. I think FCS vs G5 will be dead because it will kill SOS.

After I saw the news first thought was that the MAC is screwed and the AAC might be in trouble. The MAC will keep taking the payday games vs the Big 10 & Big 12 eat all the losses and never sniff the 6th bid. How does the AAC keep SMU? Good football and a boat load of cash. What ever happens to the PAC MW they will move to get into a top 6. I almost feel bad for USF and Memphis they are stuck in CUSA 3.0

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San Diego State for example then...loses a "payday" and one conference game. No chance. Which is fine. Just wondering ff the payday game will go away for schools like that. However, every game counts I guess.

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Originally Posted by AKBison

More details have been released. Top 4 get a buy and all first round games will be hosted on campus (or venue of their choice) by higher seed. Can you imagine the complete chaos in this state if we hosted an SEC team in an 8/9 matchup? It would be pandemonium.

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Even better would be an SEC team playing up north on a cold December day or night.

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Originally Posted by AKBison

Check again...It 12 team with top 6 conference champs getting an autobid.

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That might work if NDSU can find a home in one of the top 6 conferences.

It's really now or never for NDSU to FBS. If they miss out now they will be stuck in division 3 for ever. There's no reason not to be pushing all the chips in at this point. Get your ass in gear Matt!

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

With the bigs controlling this they will figure out a way to get a couple of teams from each of there mega conferences to get in. NCAA is letting them run the show and have from inception. Only way a non power 5 team gets in is if the politicos bring pressure. The politicos are the only reason we have a playoff now. The threat of political involvement is the only thing that moves the needle.

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You missed the top 6 conference champions get an auto-bid part. At that point, your basically the defacto G5 national champ with a chance to showcase yourself on the Big stage. It's not perfect but it's a step in the right direction and gives all of the G5 something to play for every year.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I disagree.... the public pressure would be immense

you're saying Cincinnati doesn't get into a 12 team playoff but got into the 4 team?

haha get out

1 or 2 G5 teams will get in this yearly

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One team will, by design. More than that is unlikely, also by design. Maybe 2 can make it in a great year for the G5.
Absolutely none of those will be CUSA teams. The SOS will prevent that for anyone playing in that conference.
MAC has maybe a very long outside shot.

Most years, you are going to see one of MWC, SBC, or AAC take that one G5 bid.

If the 12 team playoff would have been in place last season, Utah State would have been the 6th seed. USU had an excellent season but they were not the best G5 team. They probably weren't even the best team in the MW. They beat SDSU in the championship game.

No G5 conference is "screwed" It still comes down to winning games. Instead of 4 nearly impossible slots to get, G5 gets a guaranteed spot. That is not the worst outcome. However, there are 131 FBS football schools. That means 119 will not be in the playoffs. Does that make them worthless afterthoughts?