A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Well a few things.

No, the money's not just "gone". Maybe it gets reduced. If the money gets reduced, it will be reduced for all of the remaining teams just the same as it would be for us. The hypothetical gap between NDSU and the MW on budgets would remain the same.

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Bottom line is...the MWC NDSU would or could eventually get into is nothing like today's MWC. Pipe dream, like the Vikings winning a SuperBowl.

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Originally Posted by taper

You say you don't understand how we're not understanding this, but I'm quite sure it's you that doesn't understand. If we go MWC, expenses increase faster than income. We need to find a way to make up that difference. And no, it's not the extra media or OOC deals, those are already accounted for. Not saying we can't do it, but don't think for a second we'd suddenly be swimming in more cash than we know what to do with.

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Will Entz get paid $1.2M more the first year we join the Mountain West? How is JMU handling Cignetti's contract? How did GSU, Appy, Coastal, etc. handle their coaches' contracts? Did their ADs instantly make $500k more each year? Absolutely not. There is a ramp up period. Same thing with scholarships.

How are future hypothetical media deals and OOC FBS games already accounted for? You're saying they're already in our budget numbers? I wonder how we pulled that one off?

I have literally said that I don't think we'd be "swimming in more cash than we know what to do with". There are concerns and things we'd need to figure out. That said there is no reason to think that we couldn't.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Bottom line is...the MWC NDSU would or could eventually get into is nothing like today's MWC. Pipe dream, like the Vikings winning a SuperBowl.

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Sure the top two programs may be gone. That still leaves 83% of the conference. To say it's nothing like the current MW is just dumb.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Will Entz get paid $1.2M more the first year we join the Mountain West? How is JMU handling Cignetti's contract? How did GSU, Appy, Coastal, etc. handle their coaches' contracts? Did their ADs instantly make $500k more each year? Absolutely not. There is a ramp up period. Same thing with scholarships.

How are future hypothetical media deals and OOC FBS games already accounted for? You're saying they're already in our budget numbers? I wonder how we pulled that one off?

I have literally said that I don't think we'd be "swimming in more cash than we know what to do with". There are concerns and things we'd need to figure out. That said there is no reason to think that we couldn't.

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It looks like JMU did extend and revise their contract already.
https://richmond.com/sports/college/...8c32d6a86.html

If you don't do that, and your coach wins a bunch of FBS games, he will be gone quickly.
The FBS market rate for winning coaches is a lot higher than FCS.

Look what happened with Napier to Florida.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

It looks like JMU did extend and revise their contract already.
https://richmond.com/sports/college/...8c32d6a86.html

If you don't do that, and your coach wins a bunch of FBS games, he will be gone quickly.
The FBS market rate for winning coaches is a lot higher than FCS.

Look what happened with Napier to Florida.

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Sounds like he got an extension and they're still working on a restructuring...

Yeah, if we jumped and were super successful we're going to lose Entz. You're twisting my arm but I'd be okay with being successful right out the chute.

ouch ... Not sure who should be more embarrassed, the mighty Bison or the fighting hawks

https://huskercorner.com/2022/08/24/...ognosticators/

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

ouch ... Not sure who should be more embarrassed, the mighty Bison or the fighting hawks

https://huskercorner.com/2022/08/24/...ognosticators/

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I'm pretty sure I just read on another thread that UND was recognized world wide as the better program or some other such bs. How could mistake have happened?

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Sure the top two programs may be gone. That still leaves 83% of the conference. To say it's nothing like the current MW is just dumb.

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Probably about is dumb as waking up everyday hoping for a MWC invite that's not coming.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I'm pretty sure I just read on another thread that UND was recognized world wide as the better program or some other such bs. How could mistake have happened?

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Cuz your average coastal pundit just assumes that a state of 800k only has one D1 FB team*

* I suppose in theory they are right

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Originally Posted by MWC

The AAC tv deal distributes 7+ million to their members..

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What’s our conference espn deal bringing in?

I know that UN_s student activity fee is significantly higher than NDSU's. Does anyone here know the actual number?

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Lakes, make arrangements.

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I'm on it!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Yep. I remember people screaming-crying about not being able to to buy tickets. Then they opened up a new section and had problems selling those tickets because of the cost. Plus you have others who were forced to donate so they could get tickets.

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cuz it's fcs duhhhhhh

NDSU TO MOUNTAIN WEST TOMORROW & TEAMMAKERS COULD QUADRUPLE THEIR DONATIONS

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Probably about is dumb as waking up everyday hoping for a MWC invite that's not coming.

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Well both are less dumb than thinking that FCS is the right division for us.

I guess if you get your way and our leadership continues to shove their thumbs up their bums you’ll get to tell me that you were right. So you got that going for you.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

cuz it's fcs duhhhhhh

NDSU TO MOUNTAIN WEST TOMORROW & TEAMMAKERS COULD QUADRUPLE THEIR DONATIONS

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So yours would be upped to $300???

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

you got it backwards. NDSU is athletically very FCS other than football.

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We are talking G5, not that hard to be median in the G5

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Well both are less dumb than thinking that FCS is the right division for us.

I guess if you get your way and our leadership continues to shove their thumbs up their bums you’ll get to tell me that you were right. So you got that going for you.

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I can't imagine anyone going. "I LOVE BEATING INFERIOR PROGRAMS AND TEAMS FOR 11 YEARS NOW, LETS DO IT FOR 11 MORE"

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I can't imagine anyone going. "I LOVE BEATING INFERIOR PROGRAMS AND TEAMS FOR 11 YEARS NOW, LETS DO IT FOR 11 MORE"

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Too long for a t-shirt.

Maybe?:

Too good for FCS? Will make “your lady” look like “our lady”…. No matter the level. (Drunk irish Catholic midget logo.)

And you are next.

Robotic Bison Independence or BUST.

TM

Then sell them to Alabama fans as a slight on a school they don’t like kinda thing. Maybe other fans too…. Who knows?

Just an idea for something that people COULD do.

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Originally Posted by I miss Chubs

Too long for a t-shirt.

Maybe?:

Too good for FCS? Will make “your lady” look like “our lady”…. No matter the level. (Drunk irish Catholic midget logo.)

And you are next.

Robotic Bison Independence or BUST.

TM

Then sell them to Alabama fans as a slight on a school they don’t like kinda thing. Maybe other fans too…. Who knows?

Just an idea for something that people COULD do.

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...Tony, where are you?

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

you got it backwards. NDSU is athletically very FCS other than football.

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We are a quality mid-major school with plenty of success in men's basketball, softball, track and field, golf, etc. Not the best, but we are competitive with many other mid-major FBS schools. We are very mid-range G5.

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Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan

...Tony, where are you?

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Are you a Notre Dame/UND fan like your friend ByeSon?

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Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan

We are a quality mid-major school with plenty of success in men's basketball, softball, track and field, golf, etc. Not the best, but we are competitive with many other mid-major FBS schools. We are very mid-range G5.

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FBS would greatly improve almost these sports on Day 1.
you could steal 4-5 of best players off the other Dakotas, UNI etc.

All of these sports win the summit then get seeded last and pummeled in ncaas.

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Originally Posted by AKBison

I know that UN_s student activity fee is significantly higher than NDSU's. Does anyone here know the actual number?

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Did someone say "student fees"?
Per the Knight DB, here are fees as a percent of budget for various schools of interest (pre-Covid data):
(budgets in millions)

2018 2019
Budget Institutional Student Budget Institutional Student
UND 28.66 9.38 3.61 45.3% 30.50 10.81 3.47 46.8%
NDSU 28.14 7.39 1.49 31.6% 27.25 6.74 1.39 29.8%
USD 19.39 9.00 2.96 61.7% 19.92 9.69 2.93 63.4%
SDSU 22.17 6.22 2.30 38.4% 23.41 7.24 2.75 42.7%
MoiSt 27.35 12.05 4.02 58.8% 28.77 12.56 3.87 57.1%
ISU(r) 28.15 8.90 10.56 69.1% 29.00 9.79 10.56 70.2%
UMt 21.94 6.69 1.19 35.9% 23.35 6.89 1.10 34.2%
MtSU 22.29 9.35 2.00 50.9% 23.18 9.68 2.01 50.4%

Apologies for the terrible (lack of) formatting.

UND's student fees and institutional support don't seem out of line in that group.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Did someone say "student fees"?
Per the Knight DB, here are fees as a percent of budget for various schools of interest (pre-Covid data):
(budgets in millions)

2018 2019
Budget Institutional Student Budget Institutional Student
UND 28.66 9.38 3.61 45.3% 30.50 10.81 3.47 46.8%
NDSU 28.14 7.39 1.49 31.6% 27.25 6.74 1.39 29.8%
USD 19.39 9.00 2.96 61.7% 19.92 9.69 2.93 63.4%
SDSU 22.17 6.22 2.30 38.4% 23.41 7.24 2.75 42.7%
MoiSt 27.35 12.05 4.02 58.8% 28.77 12.56 3.87 57.1%
ISU(r) 28.15 8.90 10.56 69.1% 29.00 9.79 10.56 70.2%
UMt 21.94 6.69 1.19 35.9% 23.35 6.89 1.10 34.2%
MtSU 22.29 9.35 2.00 50.9% 23.18 9.68 2.01 50.4%

Apologies for the terrible (lack of) formatting.

UND's student fees and institutional support don't seem out of line in that group.

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I think it's more of a case that NDSU is the outlier with lower student fees. While it looks like that's a large potential money source, with how fast tuition is rising and enrollment is dropping, I don't think we should raise fees. We've already seen loads of people get priced out of FB tickets, pricing out students from enrolling risks a death spiral. Let's get enrollment up then revisit fees.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

FBS would greatly improve almost these sports on Day 1.
you could steal 4-5 of best players off the other Dakotas, UNI etc.

All of these sports win the summit then get seeded last and pummeled in ncaas.

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I didn’t realize D1 non FBS NDSU was eligible for the dance in basketball until they were on the verge of making it the first time.

So if I was a basketball stud or my kid was…. I wouldn’t really seriously consider NDSU. Not over like Marquette for instance.

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Originally Posted by taper

I think it's more of a case that NDSU is the outlier with lower student fees. While it looks like that's a large potential money source, with how fast tuition is rising and enrollment is dropping, I don't think we should raise fees. We've already seen loads of people get priced out of FB tickets, pricing out students from enrolling risks a death spiral. Let's get enrollment up then revisit fees.

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It is interesting though. We're not talking about thousands of dollars per student. To bridge the gap with UND some quick math:

17% of $28.14M is $4.78M

$4.78M divided by 12,500 students is $382.70 per student.

$382.70 divided by two is $190 per student per semester

We're not pricing anyone out by catching up with all of the peer institutions that Sic listed. Apparently as of yesterday the fed gov't is interested in bankrolling ridiculous education expenses anyways...

I think I found where your add'l revenue can come from to keep away your scary increase in expenses ;)

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

It is interesting though. We're not talking about thousands of dollars per student. To bridge the gap with UND some quick math:

17% of $28.14M is $4.78M

$4.78M divided by 12,500 students is $382.70 per student.

$382.70 divided by two is $190 per student per semester

We're not pricing anyone out by catching up with all of the peer institutions that Sic listed. Apparently as of yesterday the fed gov't is interested in bankrolling ridiculous education expenses anyways...

I think I found where your add'l revenue can come from to keep away your scary increase in expenses ;)

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I can admit that whether increasing fees in an era of declining enrollment is good or bad for a university is a matter of opinion. You know mine, I know yours. NDSU has clearly chosen to stay low. I have absolutely no influence on that.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Well both are less dumb than thinking that FCS is the right division for us.

I guess if you get your way and our leadership continues to shove their thumbs up their bums you’ll get to tell me that you were right. So you got that going for you.

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If you could name a FBS conference that is a logical fit for NDSU geographically, financially and competitively without killing off the rest of the athletic department I'm all ears. 700+ pages suggest that's not happening.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

If you could name a FBS conference that is a logical fit for NDSU geographically, financially and competitively without killing off the rest of the athletic department I'm all ears. 700+ pages suggest that's not happening.

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You've said a few times now that you don't really care about NDSU FB anymore, so I'm puzzled as to why you have such a strong opinion on the question of NDSU-to-FBS to post here so frequently?

Oregon sports guy on 1660 right now COMPLETELY validating ML's approach

No one has a clue what is going to happen, and if you're not in the SEC or B1G, you'd be stupid to make a decision right now

No worries guys. We'll leave them behind here soon ... be patient

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

No one has a clue what is going to happen, and if you're not in the SEC or B1G, you'd be stupid to make a decision right now

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100%, however,

"Our Lady of South Bend" is the bottleneck, the lynch pin, and that's just how she likes it.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

100%, however,

"Our Lady of South Bend" is the bottleneck, the lynch pin, and that's just how she likes it.

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Notre Dame to the MVFC, then the conference goes P3!!!

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

100%, however,

"Our Lady of South Bend" is the bottleneck, the lynch pin, and that's just how she likes it.

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Meh, UNDs fate is sealed, and I really don’t give shit, other than watching them lose to goldy ;)

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

You've said a few times now that you don't really care about NDSU FB anymore, so I'm puzzled as to why you have such a strong opinion on the question of NDSU-to-FBS to post here so frequently?

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That's been my question to him as well. He's like the living embodiment of the SNL Debbie Downer skit.

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Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan

We are a quality mid-major school with plenty of success in men's basketball, softball, track and field, golf, etc. Not the best, but we are competitive with many other mid-major FBS schools. We are very mid-range G5.

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I guess for me it comes down to what we call a mid major vs a low major. I tend to think of the American and MWC as mid majors. But I think we are on the same page, just difference in interpreting an ambitious label.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

Notre Dame to the MVFC, then the conference goes P3!!!

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P3?

After 'bama and Ohio State beg to join, P2 bay-bee!

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Meh, UNDs fate is sealed, and I really don’t give shit, other than watching them lose to goldy ;)

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Our Lady is jammed: their beloved independence is costing them B1G dollars. It's glorious to behold the consternation.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

100%, however,

"Our Lady of South Bend" is the bottleneck, the lynch pin, and that's just how she likes it.

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Sounds like the Big Ten already negotiated escalator clauses for their TV deal if/when they get Notre Dame. Gonna make it real easy for Our Lady's decision makers to know what happens if they move.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Sounds like the Big Ten already negotiated escalator clauses for their TV deal if/when they get Notre Dame. Gonna make it real easy for Our Lady's decision makers to know what happens if they move.

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And you just know Our Lady is jamming up NBC with that info.

Domers gonna Domer.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Sounds like the Big Ten already negotiated escalator clauses for their TV deal if/when they get Notre Dame. Gonna make it real easy for Our Lady's decision makers to know what happens if they move.

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Probably not a coincidence that NBC and Peacock are part of the BIG’s new media deal.