2008 NDSU Recruits

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Originally Posted by gabe

It's the offensive style we play and it fits our style of ball and level of skill. Good hands and route running but "so so" speed. Heckendorf reminds me of Cris Carter... a good posession receiver but not a deep threat. Once the Vikes got a deep burner in Moss they stepped it up to a higher level. Teams ignored Heckendorfs ability to go deep and he caught them off guard once in a while. It as Jordan Schultenover who made most of the big plays at Cal Poly. I think he caught 2 or 3 bombs late in the game. We need Belquist and Heckendorf to take a bubble screen to the house like Travis White used to do but I don't think they are fast enough to do it. That's OK because they are good at what they do. The same result just a different way of getting there. I think Holloway and Williams have some big play ability. Schultenover was huge late in the season.

I wouldn't use Troy Willamson as an example of speed since he's just a bad football player. Maybe Moss would be a better example! :)

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Randy Moss is a freak of Nature--no one else like him. He would make any passing game better (except the Raiders) If a guy has any size and good hands he is snatched up by the Big Boys running 3-5 Wide Out sets.

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Originally Posted by BlueBisonRock

Off the topic, but am providing the attached to request some facts backing up your opinion.

Sam Houston State vs North Dakota State Scoring Summary

00:07 NDSU - Kole Heckendorf 27 yd pass from Steve Walker (Shawn Bibeau kick) 3 plays, 54 yards, TOP 0:19, SHSU 38 - NDSU 41

North Dakota State vs Cal Poly (Nov 10, 2007) Scoring Summary

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00:38 NDSU - Kole Heckendorf 80 yd pass from Steve Walker (Gary Williams rush) 3 plays, 92 yards, TOP 0:27, NDSU 31 - CP 28

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2007 NDSU Individual Statistics

RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
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Kole Heckendorf 11 48 766 16.0 6 80 69.6
Alex Belquist 11 35 499 14.3 0 38 45.4


It looked to me like Heck took some deep and to the house at times when deep is to be well defended. Alex also got some depth - with moves not better speed - per his longest of 38 yards. The average gain per catch for both was 14 to 16 yards.

I get your point, but would not trade either of these two receivers for all the speed that a Troy Williamson can bring. Especially when one can Roehl over the opposition.

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Cal Poly quite possibly had the worst coverage scheme imaginable for that long pass play at the end of the game. Additionally, the CB had a chance to wrap him up but slipped in the process and nobody was even close by the play to catch Heckendorf as he ran it in. This play happened because the CP coaches pulled a boner let it happen. I really like the productivity of our receivers, but they will never be any sort of a deep threat.

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Originally Posted by gabe

It's the offensive style we play and it fits our style of ball and level of skill. Good hands and route running but "so so" speed. Heckendorf reminds me of Cris Carter... a good posession receiver but not a deep threat. Once the Vikes got a deep burner in Moss they stepped it up to a higher level. Teams ignored Heckendorfs ability to go deep and he caught them off guard once in a while. It as Jordan Schultenover who made most of the big plays at Cal Poly. I think he caught 2 or 3 bombs late in the game. We need Belquist and Heckendorf to take a bubble screen to the house like Travis White used to do but I don't think they are fast enough to do it. That's OK because they are good at what they do. The same result just a different way of getting there. I think Holloway and Williams have some big play ability. Schultenover was huge late in the season.

I wouldn't use Troy Willamson as an example of speed since he's just a bad football player. Maybe Moss would be a better example! :)

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I am pretty sure that Heckendorf has a faster 40 time than White ran and I may be wrong, but I think I read that Belquist also ran a faster 40 time than White.

I wouldnt be suprised if Kole has the fastest 40 time of the current receivers.

The Bison run very few deep routes. This could have been due to lack of arm strength from Walker or simply the offense that Bohl runs. I can gurantee that the current receivers have more than enough speed to run the deep routes if called upon.

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Originally Posted by SiouxHockeyBisonFo

I am pretty sure that Heckendorf has a faster 40 time than White ran and I may be wrong, but I think I read that Belquist also ran a faster 40 time than White.

I wouldnt be suprised if Kole has the fastest 40 time of the current receivers.

The Bison run very few deep routes. This could have been due to lack of arm strength from Walker or simply the offense that Bohl runs. I can gurantee that the current receivers have more than enough speed to run the deep routes if called upon.

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I'm betting the deep balls weren't thrown because they are low percentage plays and don't fit in Bohl's scheme. I would like to see more deep plays, but is kind of hard to argue with 20-2 in two years with 3 FBS wins.

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Originally Posted by SiouxHockeyBisonFo

I am pretty sure that Heckendorf has a faster 40 time than White ran and I may be wrong, but I think I read that Belquist also ran a faster 40 time than White.

I wouldnt be suprised if Kole has the fastest 40 time of the current receivers.

The Bison run very few deep routes. This could have been due to lack of arm strength from Walker or simply the offense that Bohl runs. I can gurantee that the current receivers have more than enough speed to run the deep routes if called upon.

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If Kole is the fastest than we are slow. What's the last time we took a slant to the house?

You are correct, Kole is one of the fastest players on the team. I always get a kick out of the guys who say we don't have a deep threat receiver. We don't run deep routes very often so the it isn't that likely we will connect on them when we do throw them. Kole I believe was a state champ or very near in the 300 hurdles. Trust me he is fast.

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Originally Posted by gabe

If Kole is the fastest than we are slow. What's the last time we took a slant to the house?

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When was the last time anyone took a slant to the house? That doesn't happen very often in the game of football and to say that we don't have speed at the position because we haven't done that isn't a fair argument.

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Originally Posted by gabe

If Kole is the fastest than we are slow. What's the last time we took a slant to the house?

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What makes you think Kole is slow? That couldnt be any farther from the truth.

This agrument probably belongs in a different thread.

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Originally Posted by Bison06

When was the last time anyone took a slant to the house? That doesn't happen very often in the game of football and to say that we don't have speed at the position because we haven't done that isn't a fair argument.

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I don't think any of our guys are fast enough to do it. Not many are. It's not a knock on them I was just pointing out that schools like Appy get the 3 star burner and we don't. Nobody can convince me that Kole is amongst the fastest in the league. But I think we get the better lineman and linebackers. If we can snag a skilled receiver (not troy williamson) who runs a legit 4.4 than we will be unstoppable.

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Originally Posted by gabe

It's the offensive style we play and it fits our style of ball and level of skill. Good hands and route running but "so so" speed. Heckendorf reminds me of Cris Carter... a good posession receiver but not a deep threat. Once the Vikes got a deep burner in Moss they stepped it up to a higher level. Teams ignored Heckendorfs ability to go deep and he caught them off guard once in a while. It as Jordan Schultenover who made most of the big plays at Cal Poly. I think he caught 2 or 3 bombs late in the game. We need Belquist and Heckendorf to take a bubble screen to the house like Travis White used to do but I don't think they are fast enough to do it. That's OK because they are good at what they do. The same result just a different way of getting there. I think Holloway and Williams have some big play ability. Schultenover was huge late in the season.

I wouldn't use Troy Willamson as an example of speed since he's just a bad football player. Maybe Moss would be a better example! :)

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Jordan did well at Cal Poly, but he didn't make all of the big plays, I was there, he only caught two balls, Kole caught 3. Biggest play was Kole's 80 yd TD catch, which eclipses Jordan's 67 yd TD catch. Here are the official receiving stats for the Cal Poly game from NDSU SID:

Receiving No. Yds TD Long
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Tyler Roehl 4 38 0 18
Kole Heckendorf 3 112 1 80
Tyler Jangula 3 37 0 19
Jordan Schultenover 2 115 1 67
Alex Belquist 1 24 0 24
Lee Vandal 1 16 0 16
Totals... 14 342 2 80

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Originally Posted by gabe

The problem is we never find the highly rated skilled players and we need to go out to find them.

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You mean, like QBs?:D

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Originally Posted by Bison06

You are correct, Kole is one of the fastest players on the team. I always get a kick out of the guys who say we don't have a deep threat receiver. We don't run deep routes very often so the it isn't that likely we will connect on them when we do throw them. Kole I believe was a state champ or very near in the 300 hurdles. Trust me he is fast.

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That may very well be true, but I can't help but think that both Gary Williams and Warren Holloway are faster than Kole. I may be wrong but willing to bet a beer on it.

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Originally Posted by OldBison

That may very well be true, but I can't help but think that both Gary Williams and Warren Holloway are faster than Kole. I may be wrong but willing to bet a beer on it.

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I'd say Washington is faster than Heck too.

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Originally Posted by Aces1180

I'd say Washington is fast than Heck too.

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GOOD POINT! And he is listed as a WR!

But relative to Gabe's point earlier that we don't get the really highly rated skill players with speed, that could be true. But, we do seem to have really team-oriented players, which I like.

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Originally Posted by Aces1180

I'd say Washington is faster than Heck too.

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If we can track down the 40 times after spring ball or when they return in the fall and Washington runs a faster 40 than Heck, I will by you a case of beer. Now if you are talking quickness, Washington wins hands down.

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Originally Posted by OldBison

That may very well be true, but I can't help but think that both Gary Williams and Warren Holloway are faster than Kole. I may be wrong but willing to bet a beer on it.

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I am willing to bet a case of beer on Williams vs. Heck in the 40, but I have no idea about Holloway's speed.

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Originally Posted by SiouxHockeyBisonFo

I am willing to bet a case of beer on Williams vs. Heck in the 40, but I have no idea about Holloway's speed.

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It would be no contest...Williams would definitely win by a landslide in a foot race...As for catching the ball and running better routes, I would give the advantage to Heck.

It's kind of like comparing Randy Moss to Cris Carter...Carter was the hands and route guy, while Moss had the speed. We'll need to see if Williams can make adjustments and jump like Randy ;)

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Originally Posted by SiouxHockeyBisonFo

If we can track down the 40 times after spring ball or when they return in the fall and Washington runs a faster 40 than Heck, I will by you a case of beer. Now if you are talking quickness, Washington wins hands down.

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You don't think that Shamen is faster than Heck? Remember, both players have had serious knee injuries. I think Washington is definitely faster, but not as talented when catching a football.

I think you guys need to start a new thread and leave this one to new recruits.

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Originally Posted by Bison Dan

I think you guys need to start a new thread and leave this one to new recruits.

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I agree. Leave the current players out of the 2008 Recruits thread...

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Originally Posted by mn_bison_

I agree. Leave the current players out of the 2008 Recruits thread...

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Yeah, what he said, I always wanted to post right after mn_bison.

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Originally Posted by MN_BISON

Yeah, what he said, I always wanted to post right after mn_bison.

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As to I, wanted to post after my UPPERCASE brother...

Bison football team receives three verbal commitments, including one from California quarterback
Mike McFeely, The Forum
Published Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Jose Mohler’s high school has a surfing team, which tells you he’s coming a long way to play football for North Dakota State.


The quarterback for La Costa Canyon High School in Carlsbad, Calif., has verbally committed to the Bison. The 6-foot-1, 185-pounder is described by his coach as a mobile pocket passer.


“It’ll be a culture shock for him going up there,” said La Costa coach Darrin Brown. “But he loves the game and wants to play. He’ll be fine. He’ll be in the classroom studying and he’ll work hard at football. I think he was one of the best quarterbacks in San Diego.”

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NDSU also received verbal commitments from defensive tackle Brian Lawson of Chicago Rich East High School and safety Jordan Osborne of Woodlands High School in Texas.


Football signing day is Feb. 6.

BisonNeil....what do you think? Do you like? Just kidding. Glad to get a quarterback for the future.

Well at least Jose will be a fan favorite. Imagine 20000 people yelling his name in to the tune of the soccer ole' chant. That would be great!!!

I got video on "jose can you see"s 1st bisonville thread in football.

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12409

Neil....you can relax now, sound like we got our QB. I haven't heard much about him....anybody?

Linky to the new QB's High school football page.


http://teachers.sduhsd.net/dbrown/

La Costa Canyon senior quarterback Jose Mohler again directed a balanced offense. The Mavericks gained 157 yards rushing, and Mohler completed 13-of-16 passes for 175 yards and one touchdown with no interceptions.

"He's a great athlete and leader," Brown said. "He can run and pass, and when he's hot, he's hard to stop."
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"If they cover us, I can take off. But if they don't, I can hit my playmakers."

Sounds good. I like him already.

Jordan Osborne the Safety from TX is a Rivals 2 star D-back like Bobby Miller, looks like the passing D should be stacked!!

Updated the first page... now I must sleep.

Jordan Osborne, Safety from the Woodlands (Tx)
2 star on rivals had an offer from Army according to the site. Alot of interest from other schools. Army was the only listed offer.
6'0 185 with a 3.7 GPA. His stats showed only 4 games last year with 52 tackles and 2 interceptions.

According to my math, that is the third 2 star kid of this class. Pretty salty.

Brian Lawson. BIG KID. Was being recruited by Illinois, they even list the coach that was recruiting him, no offer.
6'2 256 Defensive End. Article lists him at 6'3.....He is VERY impressive based on this site. To get Illinois interested, you must be a stud. I love how many kids we are getting that are "borderline" big 10 kids. There are several.

http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=675999

Even though he'll end up being one of the more highly ranked players in Illinois this year, Lawson hasn't lost sight of the unique position he's in right now.


"I don't have any favorites right now. I get excited about every new letter I get. Each one is a surprise to me."


Lawson plans to camp with Western Michigan, Akron, and Illinois this summer. When speaking about the Illini, Lawson shows his cards a bit.


"I like Illinois a whole lot right now. They're still up there at the top of my list. If they were to offer then they'd definitely be my leader. I used to talk to the coaches there all the time, but I've slowed down some of that because I've been concentrating on school."

Finally, the last of the three tonight is the quarterback. He is listed on Rivals, but not much info on him. He is listed as 6'0 and 156. Hello Mr. Weightroom!!!! He is listed as a "Pro-Style Quarterback."

That is all I have, hope it helps.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Burgundy

Jordan Osborne, Safety from the Woodlands (Tx)
2 star on rivals had an offer from Army according to the site. Alot of interest from other schools. Army was the only listed offer.
6'0 185 with a 3.7 GPA. His stats showed only 4 games last year with 52 tackles and 2 interceptions.

According to my math, that is the third 2 star kid of this class. Pretty salty.

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All defensive players also, right? Reid, Miller and Osborne

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Originally Posted by Mr. Burgundy

Finally, the last of the three tonight is the quarterback. He is listed on Rivals, but not much info on him. He is listed as 6'0 and 156. Hello Mr. Weightroom!!!! He is listed as a "Pro-Style Quarterback."

That is all I have, hope it helps.

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The Forum lists him at 6-1, 185- Bison football team receives three verbal commitments, including one from California quarterback

Current Bison FR DT George Danilikowicz has a youger brother Rick Danilikowicz who is listed on one of the Illinois all state teams as an OL/DL with new recruit Brian Lawson. Wonder if the coaches have been in contact with him?

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Originally Posted by bisonhusker

BisonNeil....what do you think? Do you like? Just kidding. Glad to get a quarterback for the future.

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You can kid me, I can take it. And yes, I like it, very much.

I would like to know what his true size and weight is, though. McFeely has him as 6'1" and 185. I thought I heard Hallstrom say he was 6'1" and 175 (but he had specifics on DT on the screen the whole time he talked and I got distracted, could have said 185). But on the front page of this thread he is listed at 6' 160, which is a bit on the thin side, so I like McFeely and Hallstrom's size much better :)

Regardless, I am a happy man and opened the best bottle of wine in my cellar to celebrate!!!!!!!

16 kids....I think I remember hearing that we had 11-21 schollies to work with. Does that mean some of these are partials and/or walk ons? If I remember last year we had some "preferred walkons" announced on signing day.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Burgundy

Finally, the last of the three tonight is the quarterback. He is listed on Rivals, but not much info on him. He is listed as 6'0 and 156. Hello Mr. Weightroom!!!! He is listed as a "Pro-Style Quarterback."

That is all I have, hope it helps.

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Roster at high school lists him as 6'1" and 175. I prefer that to Rivals stats. Guess we'll see, but we have a QB!!!!