A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Some people will never be satisfied. Look at the Rodgers WR “controversy”. He gave us what we say we want and look what it turns into.

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What I and most others want is a public announcement that we are being proactive and that we are interested. Very similar to what JMU did. "I'm here to pick up the phone" is far, far from that...

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

What I and most others want is a public announcement that we are being proactive and that we are interested. Very similar to what JMU did. "I'm here to pick up the phone" is far, far from that...

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I just read a story from FBS sports that said JMU had an opportunity to move up a decade ago but opted to defer and continue to build the athletic department and other programs in addition to football. We’ve been DI playoff eligible for 14 years. Maybe we still have some building to do before we’re ready to say that we’re actively seeking an invitation. Also, if I recall correctly their football coach left the program in the wake of that announcement, so maybe there are internal reason why we don’t want to make a public proclamation without being quite certain that we’re going to be able to execute on it. Perhaps there are considerations related to Bismarck and GF as well that it makes no sense antagonizing without immediate benefit. I don’t know it’s all just a bunch of armchair speculation and ultimately it isn’t the job of the athletic director or the university president to care overly much about what I would prefer to hear them say in public. It’s there job to do what’s in the best interest of the department and the University.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

that East Coast arrogance, along with Hoople-ites that think Frisco Texas in January is the best thing in sports history or being a big fish in a small pond.
it's time to start kicking down some fucking doors, enough! GO Public with your desire to be FBS and that you actively openly are looking for an invite.

what are they afraid of? making the MVFC mad or FCS? NDSU has literally subsidized these 2 and their programs. WE don't owe them anything at this point, they are nothing without NDSU

whats the worse case scenario in taking this approach? zero, the FCS and MVFC literally had programs QUIT 2 years ago.

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It's like waiting for the hottest girl in school to call you for a date and you make it known you aren't calling here.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I just read a story from FBS sports that said JMU had an opportunity to move up a decade ago but opted to defer and continue to build the athletic department and other programs in addition to football. We’ve been DI playoff eligible for 14 years. Maybe we still have some building to do before we’re ready to say that we’re actively seeking an invitation. Also, if I recall correctly their football coach left the program in the wake of that announcement, so maybe there are internal reason why we don’t want to make a public proclamation without being quite certain that we’re going to be able to execute on it. Perhaps there are considerations related to Bismarck and GF as well that it makes no sense antagonizing without immediate benefit. I don’t know it’s all just a bunch of armchair speculation and ultimately it isn’t the job of the athletic director or the university president to care overly much about what I would prefer to hear them say in public. It’s there job to do what’s in the best interest of the department and the University.

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The athletic department should have had the vision to not put such a quality product out on the field so fast. They should have eased into the winning or done less of it like jmu. I blame Matt Larson.

They ain't even smart enough to let a few fbs teams win a game.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I just read a story from FBS sports that said JMU had an opportunity to move up a decade ago but opted to defer and continue to build the athletic department and other programs in addition to football. We’ve been DI playoff eligible for 14 years. Maybe we still have some building to do before we’re ready to say that we’re actively seeking an invitation. Also, if I recall correctly their football coach left the program in the wake of that announcement, so maybe there are internal reason why we don’t want to make a public proclamation without being quite certain that we’re going to be able to execute on it. Perhaps there are considerations related to Bismarck and GF as well that it makes no sense antagonizing without immediate benefit. I don’t know it’s all just a bunch of armchair speculation and ultimately it isn’t the job of the athletic director or the university president to care overly much about what I would prefer to hear them say in public. It’s there job to do what’s in the best interest of the department and the University.

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I agree that it's easy for me to sit here and speculate what I would do if I had the royal scepter. I understand to your points about GF and Bismarck. Although if they aren't on board that it's in our future it may be a good time to give them a reality check.

As far as growing the program. I would argue that there hasn't been a football program more ready to go FBS in the last 26 years. If anything, we're probably 6-8 years overdue at this point as far as "program readiness" goes. Outside of the amazing job we've done with facilities, what else have we done to grow our other sports?

I'll play along though, with all our bright and shiny new facilities, why not take the time to make sure the FBS spotlight gets shown on them? I just think we really have nothing to lose by showing a bit of initiative here.

A public announcement could potential piss off a large chunk of older fans with deep pockets.

That being said, whenever the hammer drops I'm gonna miss this thread.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I just read a story from FBS sports that said JMU had an opportunity to move up a decade ago but opted to defer and continue to build the athletic department and other programs in addition to football. We’ve been DI playoff eligible for 14 years. Maybe we still have some building to do before we’re ready to say that we’re actively seeking an invitation. Also, if I recall correctly their football coach left the program in the wake of that announcement, so maybe there are internal reason why we don’t want to make a public proclamation without being quite certain that we’re going to be able to execute on it. Perhaps there are considerations related to Bismarck and GF as well that it makes no sense antagonizing without immediate benefit. I don’t know it’s all just a bunch of armchair speculation and ultimately it isn’t the job of the athletic director or the university president to care overly much about what I would prefer to hear them say in public. It’s there job to do what’s in the best interest of the department and the University.

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haha wut?

150-12 9 titles 16 NFL players FBS Facilities & huge fanbase.. shut up. who gives a F what Bismarck or Stink Forks says. we've got nothing from them in this dynasty, in fact they BOTH owe us for the attention we've given the state of ND nationally.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

haha wut?

150-12 9 titles 16 NFL players FBS Facilities & huge fanbase.. shut up

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What are you. An accountant?

https://youtu.be/3hmpvQ-NrbY

This reminds me of NDSU going D1.

I don’t think FBS is as much a mystery.

Chubs stay on und thread we need you there. or go stalk kevin
we got this 1 covered.

It's pretty obvious who in this thread has never even sat in on a contract negotiation. The last thing you want to do is appear desperate. There's a lot of speculation on a lot of things, but I am very confident in saying everybody that matters knows NDSU has an FBS caliber football team. We don't need to go shouting that from the rooftops.

As I've said before, there's a possibility the SBoHE quietly told our Pres/AD that we can't go FBS without UND. They have that power and it wouldn't be the first time they've held us back. If that did happen, we're SOL and there's nothing any of us can do about it. As much as we hate UND, from a neutral perspective keeping the 2 largest peer universities in the state peers IS a good thing that the SBoHE can justify doing.

To close this up, I very much doubt our Pres/AD have just been sitting on their hands watching the world go by for the last 10-15 years. I absolutely believe a regional partner is required to successfully go FBS, and if they can't find one we don't have a lot of other options.

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Originally Posted by taper

It's pretty obvious who in this thread has never even sat in on a contract negotiation. The last thing you want to do is appear desperate. There's a lot of speculation on a lot of things, but I am very confident in saying everybody that matters knows NDSU has an FBS caliber football team. We don't need to go shouting that from the rooftops.

As I've said before, there's a possibility the SBoHE quietly told our Pres/AD that we can't go FBS without UND. They have that power and it wouldn't be the first time they've held us back. If that did happen, we're SOL and there's nothing any of us can do about it. As much as we hate UND, from a neutral perspective keeping the 2 largest peer universities in the state peers IS a good thing that the SBoHE can justify doing.

To close this up, I very much doubt our Pres/AD have just been sitting on their hands watching the world go by for the last 10-15 years. I absolutely believe a regional partner is required to successfully go FBS, and if they can't find one we don't have a lot of other options.

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Agree with everything but the bolded. Think you're way off there. They already have to subsidize them to be at the same level as us. No way they would take that to an even higher level. That would be a very "un" North Dakota thing to do.

It's just common sense that a state of 800k can't support 2 FBS programs. Pretty sure Bismarck knows this

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Originally Posted by taper

As I've said before, there's a possibility the SBoHE quietly told our Pres/AD that we can't go FBS without UND. They have that power and it wouldn't be the first time they've held us back. If that did happen, we're SOL and there's nothing any of us can do about it. As much as we hate UND, from a neutral perspective keeping the 2 largest peer universities in the state peers IS a good thing that the SBoHE can justify doing.

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So that's your new strawman argument. We can't go without und. LMFAO. Trust me, the board doesn't give a shit about what we do in sports, and if they did they'd come out publicly. You sure come up with some doozies.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I agree that it's easy for me to sit here and speculate what I would do if I had the royal scepter. I understand to your points about GF and Bismarck. Although if they aren't on board that it's in our future it may be a good time to give them a reality check.

As far as growing the program. I would argue that there hasn't been a football program more ready to go FBS in the last 26 years. If anything, we're probably 6-8 years overdue at this point as far as "program readiness" goes. Outside of the amazing job we've done with facilities, what else have we done to grow our other sports?

I'll play along though, with all our bright and shiny new facilities, why not take the time to make sure the FBS spotlight gets shown on them? I just think we really have nothing to lose by showing a bit of initiative here.

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I see youre getting desperate and frustrated again. But dont be disingenuous with the initiative BS. You dont know whats going on behind the scenes just like most didnt know there were things going on at the end of Deans tenure. It just didnt work out.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

So that's your new strawman argument. We can't go without und. LMFAO. Trust me, the board doesn't give a shit about what we do in sports, and if they did they'd come out publicly. You sure come up with some doozies.

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No, not even remotely a strawman. I really don't think you and yours know what that means. The SBoHE is just one of many possible outcomes. I've never said they are blocking us, only that they could if they want and if they did we'll probably never know.

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Originally Posted by taper

It's pretty obvious who in this thread has never even sat in on a contract negotiation. The last thing you want to do is appear desperate. There's a lot of speculation on a lot of things, but I am very confident in saying everybody that matters knows NDSU has an FBS caliber football team. We don't need to go shouting that from the rooftops.

As I've said before, there's a possibility the SBoHE quietly told our Pres/AD that we can't go FBS without UND. They have that power and it wouldn't be the first time they've held us back. If that did happen, we're SOL and there's nothing any of us can do about it. As much as we hate UND, from a neutral perspective keeping the 2 largest peer universities in the state peers IS a good thing that the SBoHE can justify doing.

To close this up, I very much doubt our Pres/AD have just been sitting on their hands watching the world go by for the last 10-15 years. I absolutely believe a regional partner is required to successfully go FBS, and if they can't find one we don't have a lot of other options.

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Lol ohh big Mr. Contract Man, I’m pretty young but I doubt you want to go there. I’ll just say I didn’t move to Dallas for the superior farmland.

How is stating your interest desperation? It has worked for majority of recent FBS move ups that I can think of. Again I contend the opposite, it shows potential suitors that you are interested in making a move sooner not later and you aren’t going to be sitting around forever waiting for them. No instead we say things like “Golly gee if you call I’ll answer the phone”.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Lol ohh big Mr. Contract Man, I’m pretty young but I doubt you want to go there. I’ll just say I didn’t move to Dallas for the superior farmland.

How is stating your interest desperation? It has worked for majority of recent FBS move ups that I can think of. Again I contend the opposite, it shows potential suitors that you are interested in making a move sooner not later and you aren’t going to be sitting around forever waiting for them. No instead we say things like “Golly gee if you call I’ll answer the phone”.

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Most of the recent G5 FBS move have been desperate moves. We don’t want to move into a desperate conference. We want a conference that wants us for what we offer not because they just need another team.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

I see youre getting desperate and frustrated again. But dont be disingenuous with the initiative BS. You dont know whats going on behind the scenes just like most didnt know there were things going on at the end of Deans tenure. It just didnt work out.

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I’ve been frustrated since the onset of “NDSU belongs at the second level of football, whatever that looks like” asshattery. I’ve been desperate since the one school who’s shown they’re not going to get punked every year we meet in Frisco left for greener pastures.

Although we continue to build great facilities, we have publicly shown no initiative that it’s about moving into a superior conference. Hence the frustration shown here. Prove me wrong PL. Where have we shown this initiative?

That’s the problem with being head of such a large public organization. You are responsible for not only the success of the organization but also keeping the support of the stakeholders. And our season ticket holders are starting to vote with their feet.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Lol ohh big Mr. Contract Man, I’m pretty young but I doubt you want to go there. I’ll just say I didn’t move to Dallas for the superior farmland.

How is stating your interest desperation? It has worked for majority of recent FBS move ups that I can think of. Again I contend the opposite, it shows potential suitors that you are interested in making a move sooner not later and you aren’t going to be sitting around forever waiting for them. No instead we say things like “Golly gee if you call I’ll answer the phone”.

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Everybody in the college football world know who NDSU is and its aspirations. Why make an announcement when they already know?

But lets be honest. Fact is making an announcement doesnt show initiative. It just mollifies some people in the fan base who want to hear it..

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

that East Coast arrogance, along with Hoople-ites that think Frisco Texas in January is the best thing in sports history or being a big fish in a small pond.
it's time to start kicking down some fucking doors, enough! GO Public with your desire to be FBS and that you actively openly are looking for an invite.

what are they afraid of? making the MVFC mad or FCS? NDSU has literally subsidized these 2 and their programs. WE don't owe them anything at this point, they are nothing without NDSU

whats the worse case scenario in taking this approach? zero, the FCS and MVFC literally had programs QUIT 2 years ago.

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Let’s be real. It’s not like it is a secret NDSU has been building for the FBS. FBS conferences know we are ready to make the move. None of them need us yet at this point so why share revenue with a whole other school with the increased travel for the conference.

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

They ain't even smart enough to let a few fbs teams win a game.

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Maybe we do need to start losing a couple FBS games so we can get one scheduled every year, play our second and third stringers the whole game, hell we still might win. Is that what it really takes to get an invite?

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Everybody in the college football world know who NDSU is and its aspirations. Why make an announcement when they already know?

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1) To retain the interest of a waning fan base
2) The ability to bring newfound attention to the program
3) Introduce the stakeholders of other conferences to NDSU that otherwise know us as just that one school that wins so many FCS championships
4) To show determination and commitment to make the jump and to do so successfully

Just a few that pop into my head

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

1) To retain the interest of a waning fan base
2) The ability to bring newfound attention to the program
3) Introduce the stakeholders of other conferences to NDSU that otherwise know us as just that one school that wins so many FCS championships
4) To show determination and commitment to make the jump and to do so successfully

Just a few that pop into my head

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Looks like a power point presentation.
1 yep it would give some who need that affirmation.
2-4 ??? Sounds good but in reality? It just sounds good. IMO of course

Fact is not one thing from 1-4 will facilitate a move to FBS.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Looks like a power point presentation.
1 yep it would give some who need that affirmation.
2-4 ??? Sounds good but in reality? It just sounds good. IMO of course

Fact is not one thing from 1-4 will facilitate a move to FBS.

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There's a possibility it backfires a bit also if there isn't an opening for a couple more years. Fans could get upset/dejected that we publicly say we want to move, but can't. And it also seems like a house that stays on the market too long in that case. Conference mates can also get resentful about this type of thing.

I'm not aware of many schools that talk about it until they are already deep in negotiations and stuff is leaking out.

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Originally Posted by taper

No, not even remotely a strawman. I really don't think you and yours know what that means. The SBoHE is just one of many possible outcomes. I've never said they are blocking us, only that they could if they want and if they did we'll probably never know.

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OK, well let's see some evidence that the SBoHE wants UND going with us, or that they are somehow preventing us from going. I've never heard a peep about that, so put up some proof. You sure seem to toss out of a lot of shit and hope something sticks.

Yea, the state board could block us, yes, and if pigs had wings they COULD fly too if they wanted.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Looks like a power point presentation.
1 yep it would give some who need that affirmation.
2-4 ??? Sounds good but in reality? It just sounds good. IMO of course

Fact is not one thing from 1-4 will facilitate a move to FBS.

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I’m glad you think they sound good. I think they sound good too. None on their own get us to FBS, neither does just building nice facilities and then sticking our thumbs up our bums. All part of a concise vision for the future of the athletic department.

Y’all are right though, the job security play is to play politic and say a lot without saying much at all. No less frustrating for the stakeholders though.

It’s unfortunate that you think that all wanting FBS want it only to satisfy their own ego. I guess I could turn it around and say anyone not fully on board with FBS is just an old kook afraid of change. Wouldn’t bring us any closer to understanding each other’s opinions though. Besides a certain unbearable poster I believe that everyone here just wants best for our school.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I’m glad you think they sound good. I think they sound good too. None on their own get us to FBS, neither does just building nice facilities and then sticking our thumbs up our bums. All part of a concise vision for the future of the athletic department.

Y’all are right though, the job security play is to play politic and say a lot without saying much at all. No less frustrating for the stakeholders though.

It’s unfortunate that you think that all wanting FBS want it only to satisfy their own ego. I guess I could turn it around and say anyone not fully on board with FBS is just an old kook afraid of change. Wouldn’t bring us any closer to understanding each other’s opinions though. Besides a certain poster I believe that everyone here just wants best for our school.

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You would be wrong in that assumption. There are only a select few who wear the penis envy badge.

As far as whats best for NDSU, that has always been my premise on making a move up from day one. If NDSU thinks a move up to FBS is best for the program AND NDSU then I will be 100% behind the move. I have posted that numerous times .

As a stakeholder Im not frustrated at all. I know they are working on it and have been for awhile. I understand the challenges. But when it happens it will happen.
Im just enjoying watching history being made eveytime they take the field. Nobody has done what NDSU has accomplished.

We are more on the same page than what you think.:D

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

OK, well let's see some evidence that the SBoHE wants UND going with us, or that they are somehow preventing us from going. I've never heard a peep about that, so put up some proof. You sure seem to toss out of a lot of shit and hope something sticks.

Yea, the state board could block us, yes, and if pigs had wings they COULD fly too if they wanted.

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I have no evidence, nor have I ever said that I do. It's just one of many possibilities and I've never said otherwise. This whole thread is speculation about a move, talking about what's stopping us is just as valid as reasons we should go.

Why are you so defensive about this?

blah blah same ol naysayers & naysaying crap since 2013.
THAT 2013 team would've played in a New Years Bowl Game.

NDSU is perceived as chickenshit for not moving up, trophy chasing. F that, We want FBS & We wanna kick your asses up and down the football field. that's what we ask our players to do, now us fans are asking the admin to do just that.

Throw down the gauntlet to the FBS conferences, who gives 2 shits if we make the MVFC Or SBOHE mad. F them, those 2 entities are NOTHING without NDSU

NDSU would catapult themselves in fundraising if they did this, .the NDSU name would be even bigger.

150-12 9 titles 16 NFL players, 2 Starting QBs. Its TIME

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

blah blah same ol naysayers & naysaying crap since 2013.
THAT 2013 team would've played in a New Years Bowl Game.

NDSU is perceived as chickenshit for not moving up, trophy chasing. F that, We want FBS & We wanna kick your asses up and down the football field. that's what we ask our players to do, now us fans are asking the admin to do just that.

Throw down the gauntlet to the FBS conferences, who gives 2 shits if we make the MVFC Or SBOHE mad. F them, those 2 entities are NOTHING without NDSU

NDSU would catapult themselves in fundraising if they did this, .the NDSU name would be even bigger.

150-12 9 titles 16 NFL players, 2 Starting QBs. Its TIME

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Same shit. Different day.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Same shit. Different day.

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maybe PL can call someone

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

blah blah same ol naysayers & naysaying crap since 2013.
THAT 2013 team would've played in a New Years Bowl Game.

NDSU is perceived as chickenshit for not moving up, trophy chasing. F that, We want FBS & We wanna kick your asses up and down the football field. that's what we ask our players to do, now us fans are asking the admin to do just that.

Throw down the gauntlet to the FBS conferences, who gives 2 shits if we make the MVFC Or SBOHE mad. F them, those 2 entities are NOTHING without NDSU

NDSU would catapult themselves in fundraising if they did this, .the NDSU name would be even bigger.

150-12 9 titles 16 NFL players, 2 Starting QBs. Its TIME

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3 if you count Easton starting my madden league.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

3 if you count Easton starting my madden league.

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Cut Chase Daniel's, Herbert gets hurt week1.. oh my. 3 NDSU starting QBs

3? Big whoop. That wouldn’t even be 10% of the league.

CUSA does want us.

"It's about owning your share of the market for your conference which is expanded when you don't have inner-state members so close together. You want untapped markets for higher revenue shares. This is why NDSU, SDSU, and Missouri State become valuable to a potential FBS conference. They have brand power. Alot of conferences won't touch them due to geography, but that is a mistake. If we want ESPN to come back to the table, we need a 9-time FCS champion with a 150-12 record in an untapped market in our fold--a market ESPN salivates over because they hold the rights to the FCS Championship Game."

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

CUSA does want us.

"It's about owning your share of the market for your conference which is expanded when you don't have inner-state members so close together. You want untapped markets for higher revenue shares. This is why NDSU, SDSU, and Missouri State become valuable to a potential FBS conference. They have brand power. Alot of conferences won't touch them due to geography, but that is a mistake. If we want ESPN to come back to the table, we need a 9-time FCS champion with a 150-12 record in an untapped market in our fold--a market ESPN salivates over because they hold the rights to the FCS Championship Game."

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Pretty cool quote, got a link? Who said it?