This is like when Michigan fans wanted Brady benched in favor of some hot prospect.
Your all nuts.
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This is like when Michigan fans wanted Brady benched in favor of some hot prospect.
Your all nuts.
you're comparing cam miller to the greatest qb of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
and we're nuts
We no nuts, weez cwazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
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#Pwned .... hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
No.....This is like when the 49ers moved on from Joe Montana because they knew they were holding back something even greater. Now, am I comparing Cole to Steve Young? Well, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Keep in mind that Steve Young was almost moved to DB early in his time at BYU because of his size and his struggles throwing the football.
IMO, if Cole actually gets some real game experience, he will quickly surpass the competition and begin his ascent.
Ya'll are blind. Cam was running the offense as well as anyone ever here. What was he, a 69% passer last year? 5 to 1 turnover ratio?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
He was a mile ahead of stick or Jensen at the same point.
Great point, he really is miles ahead passing than both stick and Jensen at the same point. But each stick and Jensen were absolute headaches with their legs, and Cam is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
He had 280 yards rushing in 7 games. He's about as quick as Jensen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MankatoBison
You're all blind to how ridiculously good Cam is.
Jensen had many 20+ Yd runs, Cam will not. Cam will not rip the 40ish yd run in GSU1, hes not going to sneak it in like Brock in KSU. I'm not knocking the kid, I think hes all american good, But its not wrong to say "Brock was a better runner" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Dont get me wrong, Its not like Brock was like a gazelle out there, but the guy had multiple 50+ Yd runs. How many QBs have multiple 50 YD runs? We didnt run him like stick or Lance or anything, but when the guy had a designed run (which was rare), It usually hit and hit fairly big.
Cam is a better thrower than Brock and this point -by leaps and bounds- which is far more important for a QB, and Brock was a better runner
For what it's worth, I was blind to Brock until the KState game. That was after MANY good games from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Haha, you're probably right and I hope you are. We just had 3 QBs get drafted and are excited for Cole Payton so we are spoiled rotten. The next big thing is likely already under center. Here's hopin'!Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Even if Cam runs as well as Brock and Stick he's not built like them.
I hope CP gets the same reps that QP did to take the load off Miller. Even if it's horribly predictable (but maybe less so because CP can presumably complete a medium range pass).
While I think you are mostly right it isn't like their builds are tooooo far off (6'1 212 vs 6'2 221). That extra size certainly doesn't hurt but I think Easton's shiftiness, as shown at the combine, was his trump card. Easton was fast and had decent bulk but it seemed like he never got trucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
All that is to say, I pretty much agree with you. I want to see Cole in there plenty. One, it takes the physical toll off of Cam but it also keeps Cole integrated in the offense and just progresses his feel for the game. When his time comes he will have that leg (calf) up.
I predict he will be in the game after the first series in the second half and might get some work with the first teamers before that when we are up 35-0 after one quarter vs. Drake.
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Originally Posted by Rixen
Stick took a bearing in the Iowa game
Need to get Cole in the game when he can run the entire offense. None of this hand off every down shit! We need to get to 24-0 in the Drake game by end of 1st quarter and then put Cole in so he can take us to 45-0 by halftime. Have Cole run the option for awhile........that would be awesome!
This, plus people comparing Cam’s rushing to Jenson and Stick are not factoring in that neither of them had to deal with bringing in QP for running reps, cuz we didn’t have that option with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDbison
Other than some of the playoff games, I'm kind of oblivious to what Brock was like pre 2013 too. How would people compare the way Brock ran the ball in 2010 to the way Cam ran the ball last year? That would be comparing the 2 of them at the same point of their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
I hope your assuming 3 TD's plus 3 2-point conversions, because if Drake holds us to a FG at any point Chapo is firing up the Fire Roehl thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDbison
Man, who else agrees that Bisonville just gets better when football season rolls around?!!!
On the discussion of running QBs, got me thinking of the QBs we've been chatting about and some of their big runs they had in the last ~12 years or so. Here are some of my favorites!
Jensen - Flu game against GSU and the big run for a TD. This run showed he had some deceptively good speed. 4th and Goal to send us to Frisco. KSU for the win!
Moehler - For Chapo, big run against MSU in 2010 playoffs.....did it go for 6? I can't remember.
Wentz - He literally jumped over a LB at ISU. When he trucked that DB from Youngstown at the goal line. JSU title game shifty little run to his left for 6.
Stick - Iowa, first play on the game winning drive....QB running like a RB. EWU title game clincher. That game in the dome against SDSU where we just curb stomped them and he was running all over the place.
Lance - USD in yellow helmet, yellow pant and white jersey combo which looks sick btw, picks the ball up off the ground and runs it in from like 30ish yards out. JMU 55 yarder in the title game.
QP - Rumble down the sidelines against MSU in the title game for 40+
Miller - See QP above lol
First year gross rushing stat comparison between Cam and Brock. Who is who?
ATT. YDS. TD
68. 319. 4
69. 325. 4
It seems those saying Brock was a much better runner remember JR/SR Brock v FR/SO Brock.
I remember a young Brock Jensen at Montana State 2010 hurting his shoulder and coming out of the game. Can't remember for sure though if it was a run play or scramble situation, or if he got sacked. Feel like it was a run play and they were inside the 10 yard line or so. Regarding your point, I'm sure there was a significant difference between those 2 sets of years for Brock.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisManBison
In 2010, I remember thinking that Brock might be a bit too fragile to be a QB for NDSU. He was hit and miss all season due to injury that year. Kind of seems like an absurd notion given how his NDSU career actually went.
Brock was nowhere near the runner that Wentz, Stick, and Lance were. They utilized him a lot at the goal line though which I think leads us to think he was more of a runner than he was because he's got some iconic TD runs. Cam could follow a similar trajectory as a runner if he adds a few more pounds although I still don't see him being the goal line threat that Brock was.
This. My wife and I called him Porcelain. Fortunately, he came around and became one of NDSU's greats. Good on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
Start Cole. Bench Cam.
we ain't throwing the ball anyways
I'd sure like to know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Maybe because P Sproles can't get open? You know the guy that a certain poster was pumping up about breaking all the receiving records at NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
it's time. start Cole
Cam was 10/12 today broQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I feel there is a lack in trust in our QBs. No attempt across the middle. Very conservative pass play calling. Maybe was just the strategy for this game. Has worked before, almost worked tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
Cam doesn’t have a very strong arm and our receivers can’t get separation. Given that, the playcalling last night was close to as perfect as you’re going to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Really thought they were gonna let Cole throw one in this game. Why bring him in of all you're going to do is run him teams are all over that now gotta let him throw it at some point.
Saving that for sdsu eh. Lol. That was a real head scratcher. Like I said last night he better start working on kick passes if he can't throw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonator98
Asu QB would be great at that. Punted a ball from midfield into the 7 row on the sidelines into a students hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
Both him and Cole were given much responsibility in the passing game. Really nothing over the middle or straight drop back. Seemed like they didn't want to give them a chance to make a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonator98
Cole is dynamic AF running the ball, but the Shotgun QB power was so predictable. Even an AZ defender said he knew that was a QB power. He was clearly a threat on the edge. But if your not going the throw every once in a while, it's predictable
I really really hope Cole sticks it out here.
Eh, don't dwell on it. If he does, he does. If he doesn't, he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
You see my avatar... I'm invested.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I'm on mobile. Had to zoom in! In that case, he must stay. For the sake of your BV avatar. Kids these days...Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH