Hope it's MWC expansion, though seems unlikely without some movement in PAC/B12 (and he said no P5 news).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Maybe MAC finally gets in the game and decides to be proactive?
Watch it be a SWAC and WAC merger, LOL
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Hope it's MWC expansion, though seems unlikely without some movement in PAC/B12 (and he said no P5 news).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Maybe MAC finally gets in the game and decides to be proactive?
Watch it be a SWAC and WAC merger, LOL
https://twitter.com/RobDeMelloKHON/s...85212732596224
Straight from the horses mouth ... MWC passed on CUSA 10 years ago. Most important now is deep FB tradition, and to aspire to play at the highest level college FB allows. Waiting on CFB playoff decision ...
I thought that merger was a great idea at the time..It was a much different CUSA in those days..
This would serve me right for continuing to be hopeful and giving a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Coach Bohl needs a salad.. and another pic of MWC GAL...Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
https://twitter.com/ncwcougfan/statu...4E6EVd1pRJpmog
Seems like something may be up after all.
I love this reply from my cousin JUAN
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9 of them were North Dakota State in various mustaches.
I don't think NDSU gets a football only invite to a G5, I'm fairly certain they'd try to get them for all sports. So flight costs do add up. It's not the time in the air, its the cost/expenditure (for all parties, not just NDSU) that they may feel they aren't getting a good ROI on.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
The tease in the original tweet would have me put this in top five most likely. But that's ugly travel (Spokane) for BEast. GEG isn't wonderful to get in and out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
I am sure you all are aware that everything is up in the air at the moment with re-alignment and such. Though nothing is set in stone and the situation could change daily, MW Commissioner Thompson offered some clarity in an interview with a reporter from Hawaii. He said, that if the MW lost two members, the MW would probably stay at 10. He also said "We like Denver and west". That would seem to hurt your chances but who knows..
He said a lot of things that imo just covered all the bases for what they might do in the future. I didn't take anything from his latest comments other than we will do something if we need to when the time comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
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Agree, the current environment is one where conferences want some cushion to survive if they lose members. All sports adds do that, football only doesn't provide the conference any safety if they drop below 8 all sports schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjamz
It would take a small miracle to convince a FBS conference to add a football only member.
I think it's worth reviewing the conference options at this point.
P5 is impossible. Anyone who thinks otherwise has absolutely no idea of the college athletics landscape.
Sunbelt was the big winner in this realignment phase. IMO even better than the B1G relative to their previous status. Lost 2(non-football), added 4 to get to 14 and solid geography. We had no chance.
AAC lost 3 and added 6 to get to 14. Didn't even look at us and is in good shape.
MAC stayed at 12. Rumored to have offered 2 CUSA schools if they came as a pair. The xDSU pair might have a chance at full membership but they'll definitely offer others before us even if they want to expand.
CUSA is the big loser. Lost NINE and added 2 FBS independents and 2 FCS callups. This conference is a dumpster fire and we'd be a fool to join.
Since those 4 aren't going to happen that leaves the MWC. They stayed at 11+1. Being raided by the PAC or Big12 is looking less and less likely every day. I really think this thread has latched onto this conference as our last and only hope because all the others already effectively said no and somehow the MWC's silence means yes is possible. But again, if they decide to expand there are numerous other programs they'll offer before getting down to us.
Yeah it sucks, but the simple truth is a great FB program isn't enough on its own to get an FBS invite. Right now our geography, MBB, and enrollment are serious issues holding us back. We can do something about 2 of those.
IMO the biggest hurdle with the MAC is that it’s a bus league. I was shocked seeing how close the schools are together. As McFeely wrote today, the MW is a airplane league so the geography isn’t an absolute killer but it’s still a hurdle. Also to mcfeely’s column and as the MW poster here has said, only people adding to the media rights are getting offered if anyone does. I honestly think this helps us more than anything. Us and Montana are the only ones anywhere close to being able to offer that kind of brand. UTEP and NMSU are far below us in that regard in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
MAC is only coming our way if there’s crazy panic and they want to go super conference and they add half the MVFC or something crazy.
The PAC has openly said they are looking to expand. The B10 isn’t taking any more schools from out west. I think it really looks promising for us to MW, but that’s just my opinion. We’d need the stars to align and I think they might be.
Appalachian State’s Sept. 3 season opener at home vs. North Carolina is officially a sellout. All 30,000 tickets are gone, plus 8,000-10,000 students expected to approach 40,000
Wow Imagine NDSU playing a Power 5 team in a 45,000 seat stadium on opening day
It would be Frisco x 20.
The watering down of the FBS? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
On the one hand, LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
On the other, if SWAC can do it, why not the MVFC?
Does the SWAC even fully fund scholarships at 63? Lol
Mississippi Valley State's total athletic budget is less than UND spends on hockey.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
https://knightnewhousedata.org/
Sorry to pop his bubble, but it will never happen
When FBS leaves the NCAA, "FB-only" will become redundant and the door will slam shut with a resounding boom. The only flow will be the other way, sort of like a diode
I’ll say it again because it’s worth repeating. NDSU is the only team in FCS worthy of jumping up to FBS. In fact, NDSU deserves to FBS more than several current FBS teams
Does that say more about you or them? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Jackson St made a lot of headlines and people think they're competitive, but forget they lost to Sagarin ranked 146 LA Monroe last year. And that's the best team the SWAC has offered in a long time. The courts have not been kind to the NCAA and there's a good chance the SWAC would win an anti-trust case if it came to that, but none of the existing FBS will care in the slightest other than scheduling some easy win counters.
Massey Ratings of all DI football conferences. You'll need to scroll to find the SWAC.
https://masseyratings.com/cf/ncaa-d1/ratings?c=1
Oh my ...
https://twitter.com/DanMurphyESPN/st...ad-951492.html
... pay for play not far away.
Can’t come soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
I don't get that take. Perhaps it might be the fair thing to do (just perhaps, I'm not personally sure) but I know my own interest in college football would plummet if it becomes less about the schools to which I feel an affinity toward and more about sponsorships and obscenely paid college athletes. There's no doubt in my mind that money will ruin the sport by consolidating talent in the biggest 20 - 40 schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
IMO it opens the door for schools to get rid of scholarships. Eliminate one of the most expensive line items on the balance sheet and the one item that is in place to offer some balance within divisions. No scholarships = No scholarships limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
It’s already here. At least this makes it formal. And no, the G5 won’t run away. Thompson’s presser the other day should make that abundantly clear …
The disparity between the P2/P3/G5 has been in place for some time, and it has no bearing on the G5 wanting to be included in FBS
Hoping the G5 breaks away and joins the top of the FCS is pure fantasy. The only potential breaks are FBS from NCAA or P2 from the rest of FBS, and I think the latter is a long shot at this point
It hasn't been here a long time. Money is now flooding into this space. The exponentially increased amount of money and the consolidating of that money will starkly change college sports, primarily football and MBB with all other sports having to just follow.
G5 will have to find a way to stay relevant financially (end of year tournament) or cut costs in some sports to go all in for others. That IMO is what forces them to leave. Current business model for them is not going to work. They will go broke trying to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
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Originally Posted by OrygunBison
where have you been. The money has been stupid big for decades. The only difference now is that the people actually entertaining you are beginning to get a fraction of what they’re worth instead of all the cash going to management and monuments to donor’s egos.
The money for about 30 schools in 2 sports has been stupid no doubt. If these kids are worth so much more than what they’ve been getting, why didn’t they just start their own breakaway league?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Could it possibly be because the vast majority of what people pay for is not some kid putting a ball in a hoop better than another kid, but the university itself?
Sure, there’s a huge competitive moat that college sports have built up on the backs of more than a century of free labor. So of course an alternative league could hardly compete with them today. That doesn’t strike me as a reason to continue not paying the people doing the work to maintain and enhance the brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
So then you’re saying the value IS in the schools, leagues, etc. and not in how good at putting a ball through a hoop these kids are? The value is in the brand and the university that backs it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
During this more than century of “free labor”, no entrepreneur thought to come around and start their own organization? All they would’ve had to do is pay the kids a dollar each, pay the owner of the stadium a dollar more than the university, and they instead could’ve pocketed the millions? Why didn’t the market ever correct this as it would in other industries?
It would be foolish to pretend that there isn’t at least some value in the schools (however dubiously derived). It also seems foolish to me to pretend that there is next to no value in the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
It seems to me that there have been some attempts. USFL, arena football in various incarnation, I just saw a story in the last 5 minutes about a graduate student leaving OSU for a start up pro football league, d-, g-league basketball, TBT... It isn’t as if whatever start up you’d envision would only be competing with college sports and it’s free labor advantage or that the colleges were the only ones who were invested in inexpensive, publicly subsidized developmental leagues.
Then why are kids giving up their labor for free right now? Why don’t the best players join these leagues instead and get “paid” more money. The best could all band together and move. If they are so valuable, the loss of their major value would be enough to force the NCAA to come to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
We’re obviously not going to agree but I do really respect your opinion. The whole economics of sports is dumb. It’s all tangled up in trust/monopolistic principles. The 85th best FB player on Alabama’s campus gets a free ride, free books, free room and board, free food. The 86th best gets to work just as hard, contribute just as much and gets nothing.
I don’t know if anything is going to get the NCAA to the table, but it seems like the BIG has sent the dinner invitations and is getting out the fancy China and good cutlery.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I don’t know if it’s a sports problem so much as a US sports problem. European football seems to have a much freer market for players for example and by giving up on shamaturism much earlier than we did has avoided the entanglements with higher education.
The difference is American football has a ton of history and tradition linked to colleges. The sport literally began in the 1800's on college campuses. It was an "amateur" sport long before it developed into a professional career path.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
I believe soccer in England started much the same. With schools. If you watch The English Game on Netflix, it dramatizes the story of the first professional player. A factory owner/team sponsor gave him a "job" at the factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
That said, I don't think guys back then were getting scholarships, housing, and other benefits that college kids here get.
Back then ordinary people didn’t go to college. Amateur athletics we’re a leisure pursuit of the elite. Professional sports were beneath them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness