FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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06-25-2019, 08:31 PM
reformedUNDfan

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Originally Posted by Tony Almeida

Tell me there's a little sarcasm in this quote...but by the way you worded it, I'm afraid your'e being serious.

why would there be sarcasm?
06-25-2019, 08:38 PM
reformedUNDfan

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

It's still not soccer, it's not promotion and relegation.

NDSU is still a school in the 117th TV market in the middle of nowhere with roughly the same enrollment as St Cloud State.

its the flagship research university of a state with no other competition. It's enrollment is about the same as Witchita State, and larger than Tulane, Tulsa, SMU and Navy.

But hey, why even try, right?
06-25-2019, 08:39 PM
Vet70

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

Hopefully the AD at least kicks the tires on the AAC. They might not be interested at all, but it would put NDSU in the high mid-major conference in all sports where it belongs.

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

why would there be sarcasm?

What makes you think all sports at NDSU belong in a mid-major conference?
06-25-2019, 08:40 PM
reformedUNDfan

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

Furthermore you don't move to a big conference to get better, you move because you are better. You need only look as far as the MVC. NDSU provides no value proposition to any better conference in Olympic sports.

this is driven by football. NDSU's a top 3 footbll program in the AAC on Day 1, with a nationally recognized brand.

Also I think Track and Field would have somethign to say on this matter.
06-25-2019, 08:42 PM
reformedUNDfan

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Fact is there is much much more involved in moving up besides having a good sports program. Look at Penn State. What really got them in the Big Ten?
It was there academics. It was a store house of knowledge academically and world renowned in medical and scientific research as well. Not to mention a huge alumni base and endowments and the academics and research the rest of the schools in the conference can tie in to.

If you want to get in to a good FBS conference you better bring more than a football team to the table.

Penn State would have never gotten a whiff without football
06-25-2019, 08:45 PM
Christopher Moen

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Vet70

What makes you think all sports at NDSU belong in a mid-major conference?

NDSU is already in the second best conference in wrestling. However, being in the AAC wouldn’t effect them either way.

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06-25-2019, 08:46 PM
reformedUNDfan

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Vet70

What makes you think all sports at NDSU belong in a mid-major conference?

NDSU does pretty well in the mid major conference its already in.

You really going to make the case that football wouldn't thrive in the AAC?
06-25-2019, 08:53 PM
Vet70

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

NDSU does pretty well in the mid major conference its already in.

You really going to make the case that football wouldn't thrive in the AAC?

Reading comprehension is a good thing. Where do I mention football? Your post said, "all sports" belong in a high mid-major conference.
06-25-2019, 09:28 PM
#1BISONFAN ASHLEY

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

7-8 conference games per year. The closest team we have to the AAC conference is either Cincinnati, or Tulsa. Rest are Tennessee, Texas, Florida, Carolinas. Why the hell would we want to go into that conference? Travel expenses would be ridiculous. I also don't think you'd have as much fan support if away games were that far away.
06-25-2019, 09:32 PM
56BISON73

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

Penn State would have never gotten a whiff without football

That wasnt the point. But lets go with the PSU thought.

So NDSU get a whiff because of football. Make your case to join the Big Ten or any one of the conferences that will fit our footprint. Why do they want NDSU????
06-25-2019, 09:36 PM
ByeSonBusiness

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

its the flagship research university of a state with no other competition. It's enrollment is about the same as Witchita State, and larger than Tulane, Tulsa, SMU and Navy.

But hey, why even try, right?

All those schools have significantly higher academic profiles than NDSU, especially Tulane, Navy, and SMU. Probably not the best barometers especially when we consider location.

NDSU is also bigger than several P5 schools.

That's not me saying not to shoot the shot, never hurts to have a goal. Just gonna be hard to achieve this one.
06-26-2019, 04:52 PM
El_Chapo

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by #1BISONFAN ASHLEY

7-8 conference games per year. The closest team we have to the AAC conference is either Cincinnati, or Tulsa. Rest are Tennessee, Texas, Florida, Carolinas. Why the hell would we want to go into that conference? Travel expenses would be ridiculous. I also don't think you'd have as much fan support if away games were that far away.

don't give me the fan away bullshit... it'd be 1000-1500 fans at away games , same as now.

Travel expenses would be offset by the CBB Big Dance Money & TV Money, easily.
06-26-2019, 05:40 PM
Vet70

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

don't give me the fan away bullshit... it'd be 1000-1500 fans at away games , same as now.
Travel expenses would be offset by the CBB Big Dance Money & TV Money, easily.

Serious question---is there any FBS conference that you wouldn't want NDSU to join?
06-26-2019, 05:42 PM
tjbison

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Vet70

Serious question---is there any FBS conference that you wouldn't want NDSU to join?

Better question..

Is there any FBS conference that even wants NDSU

Both your question and mine have the same answer and its NO
06-26-2019, 11:07 PM
reformedUNDfan

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by #1BISONFAN ASHLEY

7-8 conference games per year. The closest team we have to the AAC conference is either Cincinnati, or Tulsa. Rest are Tennessee, Texas, Florida, Carolinas. Why the hell would we want to go into that conference? Travel expenses would be ridiculous. I also don't think you'd have as much fan support if away games were that far away.

AAC comes with a 7 mil per year payout.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

That wasnt the point. But lets go with the PSU thought.

So NDSU get a whiff because of football. Make your case to join the Big Ten or any one of the conferences that will fit our footprint. Why do they want NDSU????

Way to move the goalposts into orbit.

We'd get to bring nationally ranked teams in football and basketball to Fargo. A state flagship that owns its media market in a way no other AAC school does.

I'm not saying that NDSU would be a shoe-in, infact I said the exact opposite. But its very much not outside the bounds of reality, as any replacement will be coming from Conference USA, the Sunbelt, or the MAC; schools and conferences that most around here look down on, and rightfully so.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

All those schools have significantly higher academic profiles than NDSU, especially Tulane, Navy, and SMU. Probably not the best barometers especially when we consider location.

NDSU is also bigger than several P5 schools.

That's not me saying not to shoot the shot, never hurts to have a goal. Just gonna be hard to achieve this one.

Navy aside, private schools are extremely over rated in public perception, and the AAC doesn't double as a academic institution at the Big 10 does.

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Originally Posted by tjbison

Better question..

Is there any FBS conference that even wants NDSU

Both your question and mine have the same answer and its NO

the commisioner of the Sunbelt is on record that he would accept NDSU.
06-26-2019, 11:21 PM
Vet70

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

the commisioner of the Sunbelt is on record that he would accept NDSU.

Can you provide a link? This would be ridiculous.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_2016.svg.png
06-26-2019, 11:32 PM
EC8CH

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Vet70

Can you provide a link? This would be ridiculous.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_2016.svg.png

That's a lot of southern speed.
06-27-2019, 12:37 AM
Vet70

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

Maybe reformed will come back with something documenting the Sun Belt Commissioner wanting NDSU but this is the only discussion on the topic that I could find--a thread on SS started by---SiouxVolley. :rofl:

https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/...the-sun-belch/
06-27-2019, 01:58 AM
56BISON73

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

AAC comes with a 7 mil per year payout.

Way to move the goalposts into orbit.

We'd get to bring nationally ranked teams in football and basketball to Fargo. A state flagship that owns its media market in a way no other AAC school does.

I'm not saying that NDSU would be a shoe-in, infact I said the exact opposite. But its very much not outside the bounds of reality, as any replacement will be coming from Conference USA, the Sunbelt, or the MAC; schools and conferences that most around here look down on, and rightfully so.

Navy aside, private schools are extremely over rated in public perception, and the AAC doesn't double as a academic institution at the Big 10 does.

the commisioner of the Sunbelt is on record that he would accept NDSU.

The question was---not how it would help NDSU because thats all obvious. WHY would any of the big conferences want NDSU???
06-27-2019, 02:48 AM
El_Chapo

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

problem with NDSU's success in football is this.

Everyone G5 Conference member & its fans don't want NDSU because of 1 thing.

NDSU would be a top 1-2 team in that conference on Day 1 and expose them.

Vet. I wouldn't do the SunBelt or SEC or Pac 10.
06-27-2019, 03:06 AM
56BISON73

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

problem with NDSU's success in football is this.

Everyone G5 Conference member & its fans don't want NDSU because of 1 thing.

NDSU would be a top 1-2 team in that conference on Day 1 and expose them.

Vet. I wouldn't do the SunBelt or SEC or Pac 10.

Thats what everyone thought when we moved up to the MVFC. Just saying.
06-27-2019, 04:32 AM
HerdBot

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Thats what everyone thought when we moved up to the MVFC. Just saying.

True. Our 2008 and 2009 teams learned quickly about the need to retain your players. Attrition killed that team. Not only players, but position coaches.

They also learned the importance of developing depth at all positions, including quarterback. It was so bad, DJ McNorton played linebacker for a game. They also learned you need more than 1 good corner and the need for an elite LT. (Remember Jose Moehler getting sacked 12 times vs UNI)

Injuries and attrition, (much due to bad character) destroyed that team like no one I have ever seen.

I think years later, we have a good handle on it and would probably be in a better position to move up
06-27-2019, 05:36 AM
56BISON73

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

True. Our 2008 and 2009 teams learned quickly about the need to retain your players. Attrition killed that team. Not only players, but position coaches.

They also learned the importance of developing depth at all positions, including quarterback. It was so bad, DJ McNorton played linebacker for a game. They also learned you need more than 1 good corner and the need for an elite LT. (Remember Jose Moehler getting sacked 12 times vs UNI)

Injuries and attrition, (much due to bad character) destroyed that team like no one I have ever seen.

I think years later, we have a good handle on it and would probably be in a better position to move up

All true but the most important one is------

Coach Bohl also admitted that we needed to recruit a different type of player.
06-27-2019, 12:31 PM
Mr Meaty

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

problem with NDSU's success in football is this.

Everyone G5 Conference member & its fans don't want NDSU because of 1 thing.

NDSU would be a top 1-2 team in that conference on Day 1 and expose them.

Vet. I wouldn't do the SunBelt or SEC or Pac 10.

That is also why Big Sky did not approve NDSU. Two Montana school on board but others did not want someone else beating them right away. Bring on the competition.
06-27-2019, 01:10 PM
MankatoBison

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Thats what everyone thought when we moved up to the MVFC. Just saying.

Yeah it never ended up working out for us in the MVC.

the 08, 09 years had alot more to do with us than the level of competition
06-27-2019, 01:36 PM
Vet70

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Yeah it never ended up working out for us in the MVC.
the 08, 09 years had alot more to do with us than the level of competition

Potato, patato. I don't think you can separate the two. We didn't have the right type of players for the level of competition. Bohl himself told the story about how after getting the snot beat out of us by UNI he got a close look at their linemen and turned to a coach and said, "We have to get ourselves some of those".
06-27-2019, 01:39 PM
MankatoBison

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[QUOTE=Vet70;1355873]

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Yeah it never ended up working out for us in the MVC.
the 08, 09 years had alot more to do with us than the level of competition[/QUOTE]

Potato, patato. I don't think you can separate the two. We didn't have the right type of players for the level of competition. Bohl himself told the story about how after getting the snot beat out of us by UNI he got a close look at their linemen and turned to a coach and said, "We have to get ourselves some of those".

yeah thats true- I always wonder how the 06/07 teams would have done in the MVC in 08/09. We had a damn good team those years, would have been really fun to have seen how we stacked up not playing the great west schedule
06-27-2019, 04:48 PM
#1BISONFAN ASHLEY

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Vet70

Can you provide a link? This would be ridiculous.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_2016.svg.png

Sun Belt success: Georgia Southern won the Raycom Media Camellia Bowl last year against some college called Eastern Michigan? Ever heard of the bowl game, or Eastern Michigan much for that matter? Yeah me neither. You couldn't get me to fly down and watch a worthless bowl game like that.
06-27-2019, 05:09 PM
ByeSonBusiness

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by #1BISONFAN ASHLEY

Sun Belt success: Georgia Southern won the Raycom Media Camellia Bowl last year against some college called Eastern Michigan? Ever heard of the bowl game, or Eastern Michigan much for that matter? Yeah me neither. You couldn't get me to fly down and watch a worthless bowl game like that.

You've never heard of the Camellia Bowl? Odd.

Also, when you get 3rd place in your division of the sun belt, you dont go to very good bowls.
06-27-2019, 05:18 PM
Christopher Moen

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NDSU was only 2-0 in the Camellia Bowl (beating the Griz both times), including the game that would get them the votes to win the 1969 College Division National Championship.
06-27-2019, 05:45 PM
ByeSonBusiness

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Random thought here too.

Often times people bring up these lesser bowls as a reason to not want to be FBS. "I dont want to go to <insert city here> to play in <low tier bowl>."

While appearing in these bowls would certainly happen as a result of playing better competition, if NDSU is as good or fairly close to the level people seem to think it is, wouldn't you anticipate fairly regular conference championships/10+ win seasons? Those typically yield a bowl game against a solid team. Say you have a very good year and go 11-1 or 12-0 and you are looking at a great game
06-27-2019, 06:33 PM
HerdBot

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

All true but the most important one is------

Coach Bohl also admitted that we needed to recruit a different type of player.

Yep. A 5' 7" corner doesnt cut it in the MVFC. Same with a non athletic LT. Our interior DT and guards used to be 6-1 to 6-3. Now we're 6-4- to 6-6 inside. We probably resemble a Big Ten Oline. Throw in these 6-6 TEs and we are different. And what's crazy is these big guys arent slow either
06-27-2019, 08:18 PM
reformedUNDfan

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by Vet70

Can you provide a link? This would be ridiculous.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_2016.svg.png

It was from a radio interview by one of the local folks with the commisioner of the Sunbelt when Idaho was still a topic of conversation
06-27-2019, 08:32 PM
Vet70

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

It was from a radio interview by one of the local folks with the commisioner of the Sunbelt when Idaho was still a topic of conversation

Who knows where things stand now. A new Commissioner took over in the middle of March.
06-28-2019, 12:22 AM
tjbison

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

The last thing I want to see is ndsu in the sun belt
09-02-2022, 07:23 PM
natstar1

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From January 2014

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Originally Posted by Strongman

If you don't think there will be a Big Boy 16 team playoff with 5 years due to the millions in TV revenue, you sir are naive.

Getting closer.
09-02-2022, 07:46 PM
TAILG8R

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

The latest now is trying to expand to 12 teams by 2024.

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09-02-2022, 07:50 PM
ndsubison1

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So whats NDSUs and the FCS Lovers excuse now?
09-02-2022, 08:21 PM
BigHorns

Re: FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by ndsubison1

So whats NDSUs and the FCS Lovers excuse now?

Devil is in the details here.

The slots will go to the top 6 conferences and 6 at large.
Those at large will 100% be P5, and almost all SEC and B1G slots.

So ... this is great IF you are in one of the top 6 Conferences.

Join the MWC? Absolutely!

Join CUSA? Hell no, they will drop even further behind when they can't get a CFP slot. It will snowball.
And they won't be able to when they've got teams almost losing to Bryant and SFA.

MWC or bust.
09-02-2022, 08:37 PM
NDSU92

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Devil is in the details here.

The slots will go to the top 6 conferences and 6 at large.
Those at large will 100% be P5, and almost all SEC and B1G slots.

So ... this is great IF you are in one of the top 6 Conferences.

Join the MWC? Absolutely!

Join CUSA? Hell no, they will drop even further behind when they can't get a CFP slot. It will snowball.
And they won't be able to when they've got teams almost losing to Bryant and SFA.

MWC or bust.

An undefeated Mountain West champ is absolutely in the field of 12. Every year.

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