A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by GCWaters

Highly unlikely that students will vote to give more to athletics, and the institution is losing money every year, including this one...there's no money to add to athletics.

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Yeah that’s my point lol

The real issue right now is that I feel the pressure to not add anymore FCS schools is real, obviously if a conference needs to go that route they do but it is looking like a last resort type of thing. The MWC is literally exhausting all of their FBS options. They are now down to getting Hawaii to join for all-sports, which is a very expensive endeavor for both Hawaii and the rest of the MWC.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

The real issue right now is that I feel the pressure to not add anymore FCS schools is real, obviously if a conference needs to go that route they do but it is looking like a last resort type of thing. The MWC is literally exhausting all of their FBS options.

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This is a legitimate worry, along with the whole media market BS thing that seems to want to ignore MSP

But just so people have perspective on TSU and their "ambitions", UMN-Duluth has an order-of-magnitude larger research footprint in chemistry than Tarelton (based on the American Chemical Society’s website), and NDSU dwarfs UMN-Duluth

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

The real issue right now is that I feel the pressure to not add anymore FCS schools is real, obviously if a conference needs to go that route they do but it is looking like a last resort type of thing. The MWC is literally exhausting all of their FBS options. They are now down to getting Hawaii to join for all-sports, which is a very expensive endeavor for both Hawaii and the rest of the MWC.

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You may be right on this, but even that comes down to money.

IF what we are seeing is the result of SEC and/or B1G doing some arm twisting to not add FCS schools, that pressure/leverage is all about access to the CFP and those earnings. It is quite possible that is in play.

FBS movement is almost 100% of the time about what benefits the existing schools and conferences economically first. They aren't going to add a FCS team merely on the basis of competition, or even fanbase size. Where we land will depend on the cascade of moves triggered by financial calculations. If there is a conference move where adding NDSU benefits that conference the most economically, and NDSU also, then it is likely to happen.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

This is a legitimate worry, along with the whole media market BS thing that seems to want to ignore MSP

But just so people have perspective on TSU and their "ambitions", UMN-Duluth has an order-of-magnitude larger research footprint in chemistry than Tarelton (based on the American Chemical Society’s website), and NDSU dwarfs UMN-Duluth

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I think one thing people keep overlooking with Texas schools, and Tarleton in particular is the huge subsidies they receive via the Texas A&M system money, which comes from oil revenues. Tarleton effectively has a very rich papa feeding their growth and new facilities, along with a population boom in Texas. Its a quickly growing school, and people are looking at the trajectory there.

Essentially - Tarleton is being valued like a very high growth startup, and conferences are looking at the growth potential and giving it a high value. The P/E valuation is inflated, just like unprofitable but rapidly growing startups are.

In some ways I would say/agree its stupid, and the Texas market seems way overinflated. But I do see why they are getting a lot of buzz. Tarleton is on a path to quickly pass SHSU (already have really) and some of the other texas schools.

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Originally Posted by GCWaters

Highly unlikely that students will vote to give more to athletics, and the institution is losing money every year, including this one...there's no money to add to athletics.

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GC (bucket of cold) Waters.

But given NDSU's "stabilizing" (flat year over year at 11952) enrollment and a 4% inflation world I suspect he's accurate. That and GC has access to data that few of us do.

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

I'm sure the big 12 would take fsu, both really. I dont think thats where they want to go though... i don't see why the sec would want either.

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the ACC has more money than the Big 12

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

This is a legitimate worry, along with the whole media market BS thing that seems to want to ignore MSP

But just so people have perspective on TSU and their "ambitions", UMN-Duluth has an order-of-magnitude larger research footprint in chemistry than Tarelton (based on the American Chemical Society’s website), and NDSU dwarfs UMN-Duluth

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The NDSU media market is a majority of the entire state of North Dakota and much of Minnesota

As far as pressure to not add schools, why would the G5 care about the P4. They are making the G5 fund a lawsuit

Not sure if already posted ... looking like MW and Hawaii exploring possibility of Hawaii going all sports in MW.

That would bring MW to 8 and stabilize it, and they could then evaluate what comes next.
https://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/...HQPKWSmnUDKjxg

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

The NDSU media market is a majority of the entire state of North Dakota and much of Minnesota

As far as pressure to not add schools, why would the G5 care about the P4. They are making the G5 fund a lawsuit

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Money.

None of the G5 are profitable, they live off of subsidies, CFP money, and NCAA tourney money.

If P4 truly packs their bags, and leaves with all the CFP and majority of NCAA basketball money, the G5 are screwed financially. And yes, I believe if P4 leave they will circle back for the NCAA tournament also. The P4 have more than enough teams and media deals to make march madness an exclusively P4 thing. Everyone else effectively becomes D2 if they do that.