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It is easier to plan your time off when you know the date of the championship game. The first bowl games last year were on Dec. 17th and the last game (excluding the BCS playoffs) was Jan. 4th.
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daddy daycare
Once again, Frisco works because NDSU fans have time and plan ahead to gobble up tickets. Short notice bowl game anytime before December 28 will be a joke just like every other bowl game played by every other program. Honestly it's just common sense. The joke atmosphere at bowl games (the one's that NDSU has a realistic chance at) have been around as long as Joe Biden in politics.
Shit in your left hand, puke in your right.
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TransAmBison
No real argument on any of your points...and I do keep in contact with some GSU guys. As a whole, they are happy to have moved up...it is a very small minority that preferred FCS. My point is if NDSU moves up, they better be competing to win the conference most years...suffering the fate of most these schools would not be worth it. Just moving up in Sagarin, but still in the middle of the conference does nothing for me. With that said, I'd be fairly confident we would be more than competitive in any conference that would have us. Now if we got our coaches poached constantly it would be harder...not sure if that would happen, but I don't see us winning the way we do and keeping coaches for long if we are FBS.
Let's just say that the ball is in good hands for GSU this year! ;)
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daddy daycare
I don’t go to games because my HS age kids are in fall activities. Besides…you know important shit….low level FBS and the trash bowl games do nothing for me and the product isn’t rmuch improved either. Besides…gasp….maybe Nebraska or Texas will schedule us.
My point is….forever…it has to move the meter in a large way, and it ain’t. “FCS FLREVER!” No. That’s trust the harsh reality of where we’re at. Go ahead and dream big. There’s a reason it hasn’t been done yet.
So essentially you have no point. You don't like FCS and you don't like G5. You're just bitching to bitch. I have a rule for my employees. If they bring up a problem, they have to also bring up a potential solution or them raising the problem is almost meaningless. This whole discussion is about each of our individual preferred solutions regarding FBS vs. FCS. What's your preference and why? I for the life of me don't really know what you prefer because you've bitched about both. We're a mid-major athletic department whose most successful and best funded sport is capped by the ceiling of FCS. The meter for football will not move at all if we stay FCS. Moving to FBS raises the ceiling for football. If football continues to be our "cash cow" sport, it makes very little sense to stay in the FCS. There is no guarantee that FBS will deliver increased attendance, excitement and engagement but we know that FCS won't either. There are reasons why a move to FBS hasn't happened yet. None of which have to do with your perception of "Shitty Bowls" and whether they will move the needle. Moving to FBS would move some of the "highlight" games of the season to the regular season rather than the the highlight games being in the playoffs in FCS. I personally am open to the possibility of staying in the FCS given hurdles that have been discussed ad nauseum. What I am not open to is staying FCS and outspending our football competition the way we are currently and exacerbating the attendance problem by making the games unentertaining. In my opinion that is the biggest factor in the declining attendance.
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BigLakeBison
So essentially you have no point. You don't like FCS and you don't like G5. You're just bitching to bitch. I have a rule for my employees. If they bring up a problem, they have to also bring up a potential solution or them raising the problem is almost meaningless. This whole discussion is about each of our individual preferred solutions regarding FBS vs. FCS. What's your preference and why? I for the life of me don't really know what you prefer because you've bitched about both. We're a mid-major athletic department whose most successful and best funded sport is capped by the ceiling of FCS. The meter for football will not move at all if we stay FCS. Moving to FBS raises the ceiling for football. If football continues to be our "cash cow" sport, it makes very little sense to stay in the FCS. There is no guarantee that FBS will deliver increased attendance, excitement and engagement but we know that FCS won't either. There are reasons why a move to FBS hasn't happened yet. None of which have to do with your perception of "Shitty Bowls" and whether they will move the needle. Moving to FBS would move some of the "highlight" games of the season to the regular season rather than the the highlight games being in the playoffs in FCS. I personally am open to the possibility of staying in the FCS given hurdles that have been discussed ad nauseum. What I am not open to is staying FCS and outspending our football competition the way we are currently and exacerbating the attendance problem by making the games unentertaining. In my opinion that is the biggest factor in the declining attendance.
Yup, it's time to go. Let the teachers' colleges have their subdivision back. FCS has been limiting our potential for the past few years. I do think 2019 would've had a chance of running the table in the Mountain West. Imagine what that would've done for us. Instead we just broke our own FCS unbeaten streak.
One championship? Awesome
Three-peat? Impressive
Five in a row? Dynasty
9 in 10 years? Something is wrong lol
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I am not sure it is accurate to call FBS bowl games "trash"..Those games mean something to the players and the coaches. The host cities do a lot of events and charity outreach. If gives the fans a chance to see their home team play somebody new. A lot of those games match mid majors against P5 schools which helps with recruiting.
Nevada has played in a number of bowl games and I have had a great time attending some. I am sure were Nevada still at the FCS level I would enjoy the playoffs too..I certainly did before.
Football is football and fandom is fandom..It still comes down to rooting for your set of players to beat the other guys.
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BigLakeBison
So essentially you have no point. You don't like FCS and you don't like G5. You're just bitching to bitch. I have a rule for my employees. If they bring up a problem, they have to also bring up a potential solution or them raising the problem is almost meaningless. This whole discussion is about each of our individual preferred solutions regarding FBS vs. FCS. What's your preference and why? I for the life of me don't really know what you prefer because you've bitched about both. We're a mid-major athletic department whose most successful and best funded sport is capped by the ceiling of FCS. The meter for football will not move at all if we stay FCS. Moving to FBS raises the ceiling for football. If football continues to be our "cash cow" sport, it makes very little sense to stay in the FCS. There is no guarantee that FBS will deliver increased attendance, excitement and engagement but we know that FCS won't either. There are reasons why a move to FBS hasn't happened yet. None of which have to do with your perception of "Shitty Bowls" and whether they will move the needle. Moving to FBS would move some of the "highlight" games of the season to the regular season rather than the the highlight games being in the playoffs in FCS. I personally am open to the possibility of staying in the FCS given hurdles that have been discussed ad nauseum. What I am not open to is staying FCS and outspending our football competition the way we are currently and exacerbating the attendance problem by making the games unentertaining. In my opinion that is the biggest factor in the declining attendance.
I'm not bitching about anything. It's a sport. It's entertainment. I don't feel G5 is much of an entertainment value/product increase over MVFC, because it's not. Just laughing that G5 is "big time" like most think. Really shooting for the stars there.... My "perception" on the bowl games is in fact, reality, and the "highlight" games would all be in a different zip code than where NDSU sits anyway.
So I guess you're right. I don't have a point. Based on years of back and forth and the fact that NDSU ain't going anywhere anytime soon, I guess no one has a point. If they go FBS? Sweeeeet...5K Bison fans at the New Orleans Bowl against Louisiana State...sounds legit. I definitely won't be mad about it. I just won't care. Maybe I'll tune in while wrapping Christmas gifts.
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MWC
I am not sure it is accurate to call FBS bowl games "trash"..Those games mean something to the players and the coaches. The host cities do a lot of events and charity outreach. If gives the fans a chance to see their home team play somebody new. A lot of those games match mid majors against P5 schools which helps with recruiting.
Nevada has played in a number of bowl games and I have had a great time attending some. I am sure were Nevada still at the FCS level I would enjoy the playoffs too..I certainly did before.
Football is football and fandom is fandom..It still comes down to rooting for your set of players to beat the other guys.
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ers-need-solve
“In the mid-2020s, Navigate Research projects that each Big Ten and SEC school will be making in the neighborhood of $100 million in league payouts and the next three leagues -- ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 -- will be taking in about half that.”
Look for the next realignment to occur in 2023. Nothing will happen anywhere for about 8 months, which puts you in early 2023.
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daddy daycare
I'm not bitching about anything. It's a sport. It's entertainment. I don't feel G5 is much of an entertainment value/product increase over MVFC, because it's not. Just laughing that G5 is "big time" like most think. Really shooting for the stars there.... My "perception" on the bowl games is in fact, reality, and the "highlight" games would all be in a different zip code than where NDSU sits anyway.
So I guess you're right. I don't have a point. Based on years of back and forth and the fact that NDSU ain't going anywhere anytime soon, I guess no one has a point. If they go FBS? Sweeeeet...5K Bison fans at the New Orleans Bowl against Louisiana State...sounds legit. I definitely won't be mad about it. I just won't care. Maybe I'll tune in while wrapping Christmas gifts.
If we could only get 5K fans to New Orleans to play Louisiana State....I'd be fine with disbanding the program
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daddy daycare
I don’t go to games because my HS age kids are in fall activities. Besides…you know important shit….low level FBS and the trash bowl games do nothing for me and the product isn’t rmuch improved either. Besides…gasp….maybe Nebraska or Texas will schedule us.
My point is….forever…it has to move the meter in a large way, and it ain’t. “FCS FLREVER!” No. That’s trust the harsh reality of where we’re at. Go ahead and dream big. There’s a reason it hasn’t been done yet.
So you don't go to games now anyway but you still want to stay FCS? Why would you even care if we went FBS then?
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NDSU1980
So you don't go to games now anyway but you still want to stay FCS? Why would you even care if we went FBS then?
Because other people hoping for something and then seeing that hope realized makes him cranky?
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NDSU92
Because other people hoping for something and then seeing that hope realized makes him cranky?
why don’t you 2 guys get off his ass! You have your opinions/positions, he has his.
Hint: FBS move is coming, but it won’t be because of your posts, nor anyone else’s.
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CAS4127
why don’t you 2 guys get off his ass! You have your opinions/positions, he has his.
Hint: FBS move is coming, but it won’t be because of your posts, nor anyone else’s.
Meh, he comes here to stir the pot. The pot got stirred. Mission accomplished I guess.
Not sure what gave you the impression that I thought my posts were getting us to FBS? This is a board for armchair quarterbacks and athletic directors. And yeah it’s common knowledge among those that talk to the athletic department that something is in the works.
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NDSU92
Meh, he comes here to stir the pot. The pot got stirred. Mission accomplished I guess.
Not sure what gave you the impression that I thought my posts were getting us to FBS? This is a board for armchair quarterbacks and athletic directors. And yeah it’s common knowledge among those that talk to the athletic department that something is in the works.
I've heard this before. I wish I could believe it. I guess if it comes, it comes. I hope I still give a shit, or am even alive, in 2032 when it happens.
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NDSU92
Meh, he comes here to stir the pot. The pot got stirred. Mission accomplished I guess.
Not sure what gave you the impression that I thought my posts were getting us to FBS? This is a board for armchair quarterbacks and athletic directors. And yeah it’s common knowledge among those that talk to the athletic department that something is in the works.
Is it stirring the pot to be 100% realistic? I guess being a lifelong MN Sports fan exposed one of my many flaws...optimism or "hope" will always kick you in the crotch.
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CAS4127
why don’t you 2 guys get off his ass! You have your opinions/positions, he has his.
Hint: FBS move is coming, but it won’t be because of your posts, nor anyone else’s.
Dammit, they don't read Bisonville? lol....
Like I mentioned if it happens, I'm not going to be pissed about it. Unless something completely out of left field comes from a conference invitation, I don't foresee much to get excited about.....pessimistic bitch that I am.
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CAS4127
why don’t you 2 guys get off his ass! You have your opinions/positions, he has his.
Hint: FBS move is coming, but it won’t be because of your posts, nor anyone else’s.
Not true!!! Lakes will get about 95% of the credit for all the pumping he has done the last 10 years.
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BISONBRI53
Not true!!! Lakes will get about 95% of the credit for all the pumping he has done the last 10 years.
Oh the waddling bow legged grandma's who've been to Frisco 7 times!!!
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daddy daycare
Is it stirring the pot to be 100% realistic? I guess being a lifelong MN Sports fan exposed one of my many flaws...optimism or "hope" will always kick you in the crotch.
Funny how your kind always claim you aren't FCS Forever, but yet you say your "100% realistic" that the FBS move isn't happening.
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NDSU1980
Funny how your kind always claim you aren't FCS Forever, but yet you say your "100% realistic" that the FBS move isn't happening.
Understanding there are reasons no FBS conference has extended an invite doesn't make someone FCS Forever. That you seem to be completely unable to comprehend this and keep dragging out that stupid strawman really says a lot about "your kind".
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BISONBRI53
Not true!!! Lakes will claim about 95% of the credit for all the pumping he has done the last 10 years.
Fixed your post
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NDSU1980
Funny how your kind always claim you aren't FCS Forever, but yet you say your "100% realistic" that the FBS move isn't happening.
Is that really funny? I didn't say the FBS move isn't happening. The realistic options for NDSU just aren't very exciting.....generate excitement and improve the entertainment value? I don't see that happening unless there's a conference move that comes out of left field.
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NDSU1980
Funny how your kind always claim you aren't FCS Forever, but yet you say your "100% realistic" that the FBS move isn't happening.
Both of those thoughts can be mutually exclusive. Tough for you to understand I know.
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NDSU92
Meh, he comes here to stir the pot. The pot got stirred. Mission accomplished I guess.
Not sure what gave you the impression that I thought my posts were getting us to FBS? This is a board for armchair quarterbacks and athletic directors. And yeah it’s common knowledge among those that talk to the athletic department that something is in the works.
Didnt you say in past posting that they were doing nothing?
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NDSU1980
Funny how your kind always claim you aren't FCS Forever, but yet you say your "100% realistic" that the FBS move isn't happening.
All I know is that “your kind” better be ready, willing and able to pony-up some cash when NDSU announces the move, pending financial support. You in?
Big Hat, No Cattle, maybe??!!
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56BISON73
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Didnt you say in past posting that they were doing nothing?
How far in the past? Lol
Over the past year I’ve been saying that I’ve heard that they’re working on it. Which is what I’ve heard from multiple sources, as well as from a large corporate booster.
All in the last year, and all very different from what I’ve heard from those same sources in years past.
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CAS4127
All I know is that “your kind” better be ready, willing and able to pony-up some cash when NDSU announces the move, pending financial support. You in?
Big Hat, No Cattle, maybe??!!
I just got a thank you back from the foundation for $1000 payment towards my $5000 pledge for the IPF. One payment left. I've been in for a long time and will up my donation if they go FBS, but once that last pledge payment is made if there isn't a serious commitment to FBS I'm dropping back to $100 on TeamMakers and no more. Considering I have no season tickets I think I've carried my share of the load.
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BISONBRI53
Not true!!! Lakes will get about 95% of the credit for all the pumping he has done the last 10 years.
I think you are a little high on your estimated 95%
I’d guess he is responsible for more in the range of 60-70%
of the Bison Fatigue of the last decade.
But definitely, he is the biggest single source of Bison Fatigue on Bisonville
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bruinbison
I think you are a little high
Me too bro, me too eh.
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CAS4127
All I know is that “your kind” better be ready, willing and able to pony-up some cash when NDSU announces the move, pending financial support. You in?
Big Hat, No Cattle, maybe??!!
Dammit quit picking on me CAS! Not my fault we had to sell the cows cause of no grass during this drought. :biggrin:
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CAS4127
All I know is that “your kind” better be ready, willing and able to pony-up some cash when NDSU announces the move, pending financial support. You in?
Big Hat, No Cattle, maybe??!!
Just like you will be doing because you are a die hard fan... Not like us soft fans... YOU DA MAN!!!
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My past donations to NDSU have always been for the architecture program. If we move to FBS, I'll also support the football program in some way.
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I won't contribute anything to NDSU, if that helps the debate..
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MWC
I won't contribute anything to NDSU, if that helps the debate..
Got a good chuckle out of that one! It's OK as you've been reading we will have 50K fans just throwing money at the program to square off against the like of Tarleton State and Lamar.
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daddy daycare
Got a good chuckle out of that one! It's OK as you've been reading we will have 50K fans just throwing money at the program to square off against the like of Tarleton State and Lamar.
I read Lamar, I think of the Revenge of the Nerds character. Is their mascot a wobbly javelin?
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Day 1 Dr David Cook. what did you do?
we got you hired, now time for the pay off! FBS !
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El_Chapo
Day 1 Dr David Cook. what did you do?
we got you hired, now time for the pay off! FBS !
https://i.imgur.com/k9Bb3B7.jpg
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El_Chapo
Day 1 Dr David Cook. what did you do?
Got his key to the executive crapper. First things first. ;-)
He probably put a picture of the family on his desk and then took that first long look out of his new office window. (Congrats.)
And then there's this little detail of meeting with how many exec staff and VPs to run a university. Smooth transition and all.
Did you miss your invite to that meeting? Check your inbox.
Give the guy until after Memorial Day before you start bagging on him. Then, feel free. :-D
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El_Chapo
Day 1 Dr David Cook. what did you do?
we got you hired, now time for the pay off! FBS !
It’s all right here
https://www.inforum.com/news/north-d...15th-president
'As for whether NDSU Bison football should move up to the Football Bowl Subdivision or FBS, Cook said he’s been talking about it with Athletic Director Matt Larsen, but it’s too soon to say "I've got a lot more to learn in that space," he said.'
Don’t we all. Nothing will happen until 2023, so give it a rest
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The_Sicatoka
Got his key to the executive crapper. First things first. ;-)
He probably put a picture of the family on his desk and then took that first long look out of his new office window. (Congrats.)
And then there's this little detail of meeting with how many exec staff and VPs to run a university. Smooth transition and all.
Did you miss your invite to that meeting? Check your inbox.
Give the guy until after Memorial Day before you start bagging on him. Then, feel free. :-D
Haha he knows where that ends up!;)
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When many of the remaining Big XII schools bolt for the Pac-12, it will be too bad that NDSU wasn't FBS in time for an invite to that conference.
