FBS move fans. Here's a good read

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

From an institutional stand point these are our peers...

• Clemson University (Clemson, SC) - (217882)
• Iowa State University (Ames, IA) - (153603)
• The University of Tennessee (Knoxville, TN) - (221759)
• University of Alaska Fairbanks (Fairbanks, AK) - (102614)
• University of Arkansas ( Fayetteville, AR) - (106397)
• University of Connecticut (Storrs, CT) - (129020)
• University of Delaware (Newark, DE) - (130943)
• University of Idaho (Moscow, ID) - (142285)
• University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY) - (157085)
• University of Maine (Orono, ME) - (161253)
• University of Nebraska-Lincoln (Lincoln, NE) - (181464)
• University of Nevada-Reno (Reno, NV) - (182290)
• University of Rhode Island (Kingston, RI) - (217484)
• University of Vermont (Burlington, VT) - (231174)
• University of Wyoming (Laramie, WY) - (240727)

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By what standard are those peer universities?

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Originally Posted by mnriverbison

By what standard are those peer universities?

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http://www.ndsu.edu/oira/ndsu_peer_institutions/

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

From an institutional stand point these are our peers...

• Clemson University (Clemson, SC) - (217882)
• Iowa State University (Ames, IA) - (153603)
• The University of Tennessee (Knoxville, TN) - (221759)
• University of Alaska Fairbanks (Fairbanks, AK) - (102614)
• University of Arkansas ( Fayetteville, AR) - (106397)
• University of Connecticut (Storrs, CT) - (129020)
• University of Delaware (Newark, DE) - (130943)
• University of Idaho (Moscow, ID) - (142285)
• University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY) - (157085)
• University of Maine (Orono, ME) - (161253)
• University of Nebraska-Lincoln (Lincoln, NE) - (181464)
• University of Nevada-Reno (Reno, NV) - (182290)
• University of Rhode Island (Kingston, RI) - (217484)
• University of Vermont (Burlington, VT) - (231174)
• University of Wyoming (Laramie, WY) - (240727)

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Under Coach Bohl in his 11th year, the Bison have gone undefeated at 15-0 with a big road win against defending Big 12 champions, Kansas State, in their opening game of the season, and a big win over Clemson in the FCS National Championship.

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Already beating Clemson.

http://coachoftheyear.com/coach-bios/#Bohl

well then why aren't we in the SEC then? We're practically the same at Tennessee, Clemson, and Kentucky!

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

absolutely. everybody hated the thought of a friday night tailgate. turned out to be the best one to this date.

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Whos said it was the best one to date?

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Whos said it was the best one to date?

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There was a better one? News to me

What ruined D2 was schollys getting lowered. I don't see that happening in FCS, no one has even suggested it or tried to get to a vote. Until the BCS thing gets sorted out, we are where we need to be, and, again, why give up a playoff for a true National Title to play in one crappy bowl game?????

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

NDSU has more peers in the FBS than the FCS.

The reality is that the FCS isn't a great fit for NDSU either...we are stuck in the middle. Both sides make relevant points, I'd love to see this top of the FCS and bottom of the FBS merger happen that some talk about because then and only then we would have what I would call the proper fit.

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Yep. We're an outlier in just about every way. We're small for our mission, and advanced for our size. And we're in bumfk nowhere in terms of conference geography. An easy way to find out how unique we are is to head over to the Carnegie Foundation website and do an institution lookup on us. There will be 8 boxes you can check to run a search for similar institutions out of the 2,883 other 4-year schools in their database. It takes 2 checkmarks to eliminate all of them(undergrad profile and research level). Play around with the boxes to see versions of our "peers". It doesn't take long to figure out how much of an oddity we are.

http://classifications.carnegiefound...22%3A%22%22%7D



And sorry for confusing UCF and USF a couple pages back.

Once again, nobody has a plan. Just a delusion. Lets all thank our lucky stars the FBS crowd does not run this institution or we would be loathed in our own state, broke, athletics would be in shambles, and under investigation. If you want to compare our Alma mater to other institutions, compare it by enrollment, institution budget, athletic budget, region population. Where do we stand then? App State won three in a row too, who are their peers?
Psychologically speaking this is all about some fan status over institution status. They dont care about the athletics. they are willing to sacrifice some athletics for the sake of their precious status. The fans want to say they are at the highest level for the sake of some misguided inner pride they can't gets over. They were teased by UN_ fans for too long in the 90s or 2000s, or The hockey crowd boasts it plays at the highest level and it bothers them. It's the same people who struggle driving a minivan because they are filled with selfish pride. A convoluted self image, they think they are less if the break down and drive a mom-mobile. They don't feel comfortable in their own skin so to speak. A move to FBS does nothing for NDSU. An increased budget is offset by the costs of being FBS. I want what's best for NDSU, so do the stewards of the University. They say we wait. So that is where we will stay for now. I will continue to enjoy Bison athletics regardless of level and a big shame on you to those who degrade this excellent University with your venom and hate. The D2 label that the haters keep using is exactly what they think of NDSU now. Evry win in football has an asterisk attached. They view NDSU as a joke. Not much different than the extreme UN_ fans do. Freud, out!

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Originally Posted by AjaxTheMighty

Once again, nobody has a plan. Just a delusion. Lets all thank our lucky stars the FBS crowd does not run this institution or we would be loathed in our own state, broke, athletics would be in shambles, and under investigation. If you want to compare our Alma mater to other institutions, compare it by enrollment, institution budget, athletic budget, region population. Where do we stand then? App State won three in a row too, who are their peers?
Psychologically speaking this is all about some fan status over institution status. They dont care about the athletics. they are willing to sacrifice some athletics for the sake of their precious status. The fans want to say they are at the highest level for the sake of some misguided inner pride they can't gets over. They were teased by UN_ fans for too long in the 90s or 2000s, or The hockey crowd boasts it plays at the highest level and it bothers them. It's the same people who struggle driving a minivan because they are filled with selfish pride. A convoluted self image, they think they are less if the break down and drive a mom-mobile. They don't feel comfortable in their own skin so to speak. A move to FBS does nothing for NDSU. An increased budget is offset by the costs of being FBS. I want what's best for NDSU, so do the stewards of the University. They say we wait. So that is where we will stay for now. I will continue to enjoy Bison athletics regardless of level and a big shame on you to those who degrade this excellent University with your venom and hate. The D2 label that the haters keep using is exactly what they think of NDSU now. Evry win in football has an asterisk attached. They view NDSU as a joke. Not much different than the extreme UN_ fans do. Freud, out!

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Much truth spoken here.

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Originally Posted by Tatanka

wait. I think I have this tshirt. Chuck the pigskin!!!





Sent from somewhere using my Windows phone.

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Umm? You gave it away.

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Originally Posted by AjaxTheMighty

Once again, nobody has a plan. Just a delusion. Lets all thank our lucky stars the FBS crowd does not run this institution or we would be loathed in our own state, broke, athletics would be in shambles, and under investigation. If you want to compare our Alma mater to other institutions, compare it by enrollment, institution budget, athletic budget, region population. Where do we stand then? App State won three in a row too, who are their peers?
Psychologically speaking this is all about some fan status over institution status. They dont care about the athletics. they are willing to sacrifice some athletics for the sake of their precious status. The fans want to say they are at the highest level for the sake of some misguided inner pride they can't gets over. They were teased by UN_ fans for too long in the 90s or 2000s, or The hockey crowd boasts it plays at the highest level and it bothers them. It's the same people who struggle driving a minivan because they are filled with selfish pride. A convoluted self image, they think they are less if the break down and drive a mom-mobile. They don't feel comfortable in their own skin so to speak. A move to FBS does nothing for NDSU. An increased budget is offset by the costs of being FBS. I want what's best for NDSU, so do the stewards of the University. They say we wait. So that is where we will stay for now. I will continue to enjoy Bison athletics regardless of level and a big shame on you to those who degrade this excellent University with your venom and hate. The D2 label that the haters keep using is exactly what they think of NDSU now. Evry win in football has an asterisk attached. They view NDSU as a joke. Not much different than the extreme UN_ fans do. Freud, out!

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Wait a minute....I do agree with everything...but I make fun of Mini Van drivers. :hide:

Carry on.

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Originally Posted by BisonTeacher

Wait a minute....I do agree with everything...but I make fun of Mini Van drivers. :hide:

Carry on.

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The beauty of the mini-van dude is they don't care what anyone thinks. Shameless dad, not a care about image at all, if they did they wouldn't drive a mini-van. Guys driving around in mini-vans are compensating for a lack of shame...dudes driving jacked up pickups and monster SUVs most likely are compensating for something completely different.

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Originally Posted by AjaxTheMighty

The beauty of the mini-van dude is they don't care what anyone thinks. Shameless dad, not a care about image at all, if they did they wouldn't drive a mini-van. Guys driving around in mini-vans are compensating for a lack of shame...dudes driving jacked up pickups and monster SUVs most likely are compensating for something completely different.

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No, I drive a diesel F350 to pull a darn horse trailer.

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Originally Posted by AjaxTheMighty

dudes driving jacked up pickups and monster SUVs most likely are compensating for something completely different.

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Originally Posted by WYOBISONMAN

No, I drive a diesel F350 to pull a darn horse trailer.

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Horses allegedly (prolly ask AG to confirm) have a big penis...WYO pulls horses in his oversized F350...so therefore WYO owns a large phallic-shaped coffee thermos? Yes, we may be on to something here.

WYO, do you ride a "trusty STEED"? Did you name him Paladin?

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Originally Posted by runtheoption

Horses allegedly (prolly ask AG to confirm) have a big penis...

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My name and the word "horsecock" come up again at your house?

Dick size argument awesome.... Fbs is not for ndsu at this time .... That said I may be hung like a field mouse but I got a jack hammer of a ass

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Originally Posted by Answer Guy

My name and the word "horsecock" come up again at your house?

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Redundant?

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

From an institutional stand point these are our peers...

• Clemson University (Clemson, SC) - (217882)
• Iowa State University (Ames, IA) - (153603)
• The University of Tennessee (Knoxville, TN) - (221759)
• University of Alaska Fairbanks (Fairbanks, AK) - (102614)
• University of Arkansas ( Fayetteville, AR) - (106397)
• University of Connecticut (Storrs, CT) - (129020)
• University of Delaware (Newark, DE) - (130943)
• University of Idaho (Moscow, ID) - (142285)
• University of Kentucky (Lexington, KY) - (157085)
• University of Maine (Orono, ME) - (161253)
• University of Nebraska-Lincoln (Lincoln, NE) - (181464)
• University of Nevada-Reno (Reno, NV) - (182290)
• University of Rhode Island (Kingston, RI) - (217484)
• University of Vermont (Burlington, VT) - (231174)
• University of Wyoming (Laramie, WY) - (240727)

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Where are you getting your stats from? You are only off by 210,000 people on your population of Laramie. LOL. But since you support the status quo, nobody questions your "research."

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Originally Posted by Strongman

Where are you getting your stats from? You are only off by 210,000 people on your population of Laramie. LOL. But since you support the status quo, nobody questions your "research."

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I never said they were population figures(they are ID #s), I also posted a link to where that came from and I have never once stated that I support the status quo. I believe I said I am on the fence multiple times.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I never said they were population figures(they are ID #s), I also posted a link to where that came from and I have never once stated that I support the status quo. I believe I said I am on the fence multiple times.

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If you arent in there camp youre supposedly D2. Get used to it. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Strongman

Where are you getting your stats from? You are only off by 210,000 people on your population of Laramie. LOL. But since you support the status quo, nobody questions your "research."

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Give it up Sam...........

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

If you arent in there camp youre supposedly D2. Get used to it. :biggrin:

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This is what makes the whole conversation stupid. Why is there an us vs them, or even us or them, and/or them or us. Even those who are happy where we are at are mostly saying they just think moving to a lower tier FBS conference is a lateral move requiring exponentially more resources. That is not a dumb argument. If we were to get an invite to a AQ BCS conference, then we better take a look at it very seriously, but that isn't very realistic. Maybe we have outgrown where we are at, but it is a tremendous leap to the next level and requires a lot of steps. But don't lay out the steps because reality will get ignored or simply get in the way of a great wet dream.

I am not saying it can't be or won't be done, but creating a us vs. them culture within our own fanbase is downright idiotic. I think the powers that be are very aware of the situation our school is in and if a move is required to either stay competitive on a local or national level, there is a plan in place. I would agree with those who want to know the plan as that is frustrating being kept in the dark until such plan gets unveiled with no clue what events will trigger the unveiling. I also do think the NCAA football landscape will change drastically in the next few years and don't want to be one of the schools forced into a decision because the proper preparation wasn't conducted.

But back to the original thought, you are exactly right. There is an us vs. them mentality that promotes two entirely different camps with two entirely different missions. These camps should meld together with a common goal. Build what we have and be ready for change if and when it happens. I think these two missions can be done simultaneously. I think the fanbase needs to be informed about the plans to move up when the time is right. Right now, people are being divided through speculation and misguided side missions. We have some people actually lobbying, on their own, for a conference invite. While they are doing a good job at making our entire fanbase look like idiots, if they were to actually be successful, NDSU would be caught with its pants down.

I would like GT to come out and outline what would be reasonable expectations for NDSU activity should some of those opportunities present themselves. If through some of the scenarios presented, there is a common mission to both help us build and simultaneously prepare, then that alone will provide direction. Maybe there is a common goal of needing a new stadium either way by the year 2020. So Task Force 2020 rolls out with a targeted goal in mind to make that happen. Rather than speculating on what the future holds, make a commitment to a future that would overlap multiple scenarios.

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Originally Posted by td577

This is what makes the whole conversation stupid. Why is there an us vs them, or even us or them, and/or them or us. Even those who are happy where we are at are mostly saying they just think moving to a lower tier FBS conference is a lateral move requiring exponentially more resources. That is not a dumb argument. If we were to get an invite to a AQ BCS conference, then we better take a look at it very seriously, but that isn't very realistic. Maybe we have outgrown where we are at, but it is a tremendous leap to the next level and requires a lot of steps. But don't lay out the steps because reality will get ignored or simply get in the way of a great wet dream.

I am not saying it can't be or won't be done, but creating a us vs. them culture within our own fanbase is downright idiotic. I think the powers that be are very aware of the situation our school is in and if a move is required to either stay competitive on a local or national level, there is a plan in place. I would agree with those who want to know the plan as that is frustrating being kept in the dark until such plan gets unveiled with no clue what events will trigger the unveiling. I also do think the NCAA football landscape will change drastically in the next few years and don't want to be one of the schools forced into a decision because the proper preparation wasn't conducted.

But back to the original thought, you are exactly right. There is an us vs. them mentality that promotes two entirely different camps with two entirely different missions. These camps should meld together with a common goal. Build what we have and be ready for change if and when it happens. I think these two missions can be done simultaneously. I think the fanbase needs to be informed about the plans to move up when the time is right. Right now, people are being divided through speculation and misguided side missions. We have some people actually lobbying, on their own, for a conference invite. While they are doing a good job at making our entire fanbase look like idiots, if they were to actually be successful, NDSU would be caught with its pants down.

I would like GT to come out and outline what would be reasonable expectations for NDSU activity should some of those opportunities present themselves. If through some of the scenarios presented, there is a common mission to both help us build and simultaneously prepare, then that alone will provide direction. Maybe there is a common goal of needing a new stadium either way by the year 2020. So Task Force 2020 rolls out with a targeted goal in mind to make that happen. Rather than speculating on what the future holds, make a commitment to a future that would overlap multiple scenarios.

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Here is my take.... Success on the field is not an indicator on ability to move up. $$$$ is the indicator if we should move up. In Division 2 we were by far the largest athletic department on the block. We had resources well above those of our peers. that is why they cut scholarships to make the funding more even for everyone. To make the decision after three phenominal years also doesn't make sense, a better indicator of readiness is if we have a could of "average" years. Does the fan base still stay engaged or do the fair weather fans disappear and interest (and $$$'s) lag a bit? Because if we move up, there are going to be some average years and probably some downright fugly ones.

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Originally Posted by td577

This is what makes the whole conversation stupid. Why is there an us vs them, or even us or them, and/or them or us. Even those who are happy where we are at are mostly saying they just think moving to a lower tier FBS conference is a lateral move requiring exponentially more resources. That is not a dumb argument. If we were to get an invite to a AQ BCS conference, then we better take a look at it very seriously, but that isn't very realistic. Maybe we have outgrown where we are at, but it is a tremendous leap to the next level and requires a lot of steps. But don't lay out the steps because reality will get ignored or simply get in the way of a great wet dream.

I am not saying it can't be or won't be done, but creating a us vs. them culture within our own fanbase is downright idiotic. I think the powers that be are very aware of the situation our school is in and if a move is required to either stay competitive on a local or national level, there is a plan in place. I would agree with those who want to know the plan as that is frustrating being kept in the dark until such plan gets unveiled with no clue what events will trigger the unveiling. I also do think the NCAA football landscape will change drastically in the next few years and don't want to be one of the schools forced into a decision because the proper preparation wasn't conducted.

But back to the original thought, you are exactly right. There is an us vs. them mentality that promotes two entirely different camps with two entirely different missions. These camps should meld together with a common goal. Build what we have and be ready for change if and when it happens. I think these two missions can be done simultaneously. I think the fanbase needs to be informed about the plans to move up when the time is right. Right now, people are being divided through speculation and misguided side missions. We have some people actually lobbying, on their own, for a conference invite. While they are doing a good job at making our entire fanbase look like idiots, if they were to actually be successful, NDSU would be caught with its pants down.

I would like GT to come out and outline what would be reasonable expectations for NDSU activity should some of those opportunities present themselves. If through some of the scenarios presented, there is a common mission to both help us build and simultaneously prepare, then that alone will provide direction. Maybe there is a common goal of needing a new stadium either way by the year 2020. So Task Force 2020 rolls out with a targeted goal in mind to make that happen. Rather than speculating on what the future holds, make a commitment to a future that would overlap multiple scenarios.

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That would be awesome. Then everyone here could just put down their weapons and focus on one step at a time haha

I am firmly in the camp of maintaining the status quo of us vs. them and we vs. they. I have very unclearly and ambiguously laid out my goals of NDSU immediately moving up to FBS when the time is right. Which may be now, or in the near or distant future. To think otherwise is just shortsighted and progressive.

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Originally Posted by runtheoption

I am firmly in the camp of maintaining the status quo of us vs. them and we vs. they. I have very unclearly and ambiguously laid out my goals of NDSU immediately moving up to FBS when the time is right. Which may be now, or in the near or distant future. To think otherwise is just shortsighted and progressive.

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Spoken like a true liberipubecan.

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Originally Posted by runtheoption

I am firmly in the camp of maintaining the status quo of us vs. them and we vs. they. I have very unclearly and ambiguously laid out my goals of NDSU immediately moving up to FBS when the time is right. Which may be now, or in the near or distant future. To think otherwise is just shortsighted and progressive.

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Thank you. I am glad you didn't hold back.

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Originally Posted by td577

This is what makes the whole conversation stupid. Why is there an us vs them, or even us or them, and/or them or us. Even those who are happy where we are at are mostly saying they just think moving to a lower tier FBS conference is a lateral move requiring exponentially more resources. That is not a dumb argument. If we were to get an invite to a AQ BCS conference, then we better take a look at it very seriously, but that isn't very realistic. Maybe we have outgrown where we are at, but it is a tremendous leap to the next level and requires a lot of steps. But don't lay out the steps because reality will get ignored or simply get in the way of a great wet dream.

I am not saying it can't be or won't be done, but creating a us vs. them culture within our own fanbase is downright idiotic. I think the powers that be are very aware of the situation our school is in and if a move is required to either stay competitive on a local or national level, there is a plan in place. I would agree with those who want to know the plan as that is frustrating being kept in the dark until such plan gets unveiled with no clue what events will trigger the unveiling. I also do think the NCAA football landscape will change drastically in the next few years and don't want to be one of the schools forced into a decision because the proper preparation wasn't conducted.

But back to the original thought, you are exactly right. There is an us vs. them mentality that promotes two entirely different camps with two entirely different missions. These camps should meld together with a common goal. Build what we have and be ready for change if and when it happens. I think these two missions can be done simultaneously. I think the fanbase needs to be informed about the plans to move up when the time is right. Right now, people are being divided through speculation and misguided side missions. We have some people actually lobbying, on their own, for a conference invite. While they are doing a good job at making our entire fanbase look like idiots, if they were to actually be successful, NDSU would be caught with its pants down.

I would like GT to come out and outline what would be reasonable expectations for NDSU activity should some of those opportunities present themselves. If through some of the scenarios presented, there is a common mission to both help us build and simultaneously prepare, then that alone will provide direction. Maybe there is a common goal of needing a new stadium either way by the year 2020. So Task Force 2020 rolls out with a targeted goal in mind to make that happen. Rather than speculating on what the future holds, make a commitment to a future that would overlap multiple scenarios.

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Ahhh that all well and good if you are dealing with the average individual. But in this case you just dont know who you are dealing with.:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by WYOBISONMAN

Give it up Sam...........

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Three words..................Ban Hammer.

Things have to play out with the super conferences before anything could even be considered. I think what happens will be dictated to NDSU more so than it will be a choice. Things will probably be pretty black and white once this happens. Status quo in FBS means stay where we are. Separation of the Big conferences probably means move into what's left of FBS which will essentially be FCS anyway.

SO how does SU compare Anyone know our 2013 Numbers

Total Revenues by Team (2013)
Total Revenues by Team


001.) The University of Texas at Austin - $165,691,486
002.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $146,366,405
003.) The University of Alabama - $143,393,059
004.) University of Florida - $129,505,644
005.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $123,805,661
006.) Ohio State University - $123,604,626
007.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $122,742,252
008.) Louisiana State University - $117,457,398
009.) The University of Tennessee - $109,925,351
010.) University of Notre Dame - $108,509,683

011.) University of Iowa - $106,703,779
012.) Pennsylvania State University - $104,751,468
013.) Auburn University - $102,864,769
014.) University of Arkansas - $99,769,099
015.) University of Minnesota - $98,203,198
016.) University of Georgia - $98,120,889
017.) University of Southern California - $97,802,254
018.) University of Louisville - $96,193,329
019.) University of Kansas - $92,873,192
020.) University of California-Berkeley - $91,815,125

021.) Stanford University - $90,490,234
022.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $90,484,422
023.) Florida State University - $89,145,159
024.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $86,916,001
025.) University of Kentucky - $86,570,579
026.) University of Washington-Seattle - $85,072,886
027.) University of Virginia - $84,402,712
028.) University of California-Los Angeles - $83,926,720
029.) University of Oregon - $81,374,469
030.) Michigan State University - $79,369,587

031.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $78,530,133
032.) Baylor University - $78,412,938
033.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $78,141,093
034.) West Virginia University - $77,706,696
035.) Oklahoma State University - $76,638,487
036.) Duke University - $76,366,113
037.) Syracuse University - $76,329,618
038.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $75,738,695
039.) Purdue University - $74,481,250
040.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $73,446,347

041.) Texas Christian University - $71,932,668
042.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $71,851,419
043.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $71,149,002
044.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute - $69,845,483
045.) Kansas State University - $69,250,204
046.) Clemson University - $68,163,948
047.) University of Miami - $67,253,273
048.) Northwestern University - $66,413,894
049.) University of Arizona - $66,327,515
050.) University of Colorado Boulder - $66,327,498

051.) University of Mississippi - $66,233,842
052.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $65,967,262
053.) Arizona State University - $63,770,785
054.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $63,630,964
055.) University of Connecticut - $63,374,981
056.) Iowa State University - $62,357,760
057.) Texas Tech University - $62,087,832
058.) Mississippi State University - $62,004,404
059.) Vanderbilt University $61,122,469
060.) Boston College - $60,770,300

061.) Oregon State University - $60,193,022
062.) University of Maryland-College Park - $58,107,950
063.) University of Pittsburgh - $57,606,235
064.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $54,644,578
065.) Southern Methodist University - $52,029,002
066.) University of Utah - $51,792,903
067.) Washington State University - $50,154,279
068.) Wake Forest University - $48,830,266
069.) University of South Florida - $45,102,784
070.) University of Cincinnati - $45,065,244

071.) University of Memphis - $43,148,158
072.) San Diego State University - $42,380,968
073.) University of Central Florida - $41,957,141
074.) Temple University - $41,558,322
075.) University of Houston - $35,514,862
076.) East Carolina University - $35,459,448
077.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $33,971,200
078.) Boise State University - $33,219,370
079.) University of Tulsa - $32,541,245
080.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $32,535,454

081.) Rice University - $32,294,612
082.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $32,288,243
083.) University of New Mexico - $32,146,734
084.) California State University-Fresno - $32,016,817
085.) Texas State University-San Marcos - $30,469,793
086.) University of Wyoming - $29,731,941
087.) Tulane University - $29,441,104
088.) Miami University-Oxford - $28,955,007
089.) University at Buffalo - $28,661,287
090.) University of Massachusetts Amherst - $28,659,514

091.) Florida International University - $28,332,259
092.) Central Michigan University - $27,680,624
093.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $27,430,624
094.) Ohio University - $27,265,061
095.) University of Akron - $26,479,926
096.) Western Kentucky University - $26,109,720
097.) University of North Texas - $25,910,370
098.) Kent State University - $25,871,038
099.) San Jose State University - $25,854,038
100.) Marshall University - $25,724,120

101.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $25,723,452
102.) Western Michigan University - $25,458,301
103.) University of Nevada-Reno - $25,404,564
104.) Middle Tennessee State University - $24,845,231
105.) New Mexico State University - $24,811,219
106.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $24,828,401
107.) Georgia State University - $24,763,930
108.) Utah State University - $24,446,189
109.) University of Toledo - $23,654,142
110.) Florida Atlantic University - $22,854,201

111.) Ball State University - $22,644,535
112.) Northern Illinois University - $22,552,032
113.) Eastern Michigan University - $21,904,183
114.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - $21,620,575
115.) Bowling Green State University - $20,643,645
116.) University of Southern Mississippi - $19,667,859
117.) Troy University - $17,452,843
118.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $17,257,822
119.) Louisiana Tech University - $16,876,487
120.) University of South Alabama - $16,328,668

121.) University of Idaho - $14,840,070
122.) Arkansas State University - $13,565,978
123.) University of Louisiana-Monroe - $9,194,173

American Athletic Conference

01.) University of Connecticut - $63,374,981
02.) Southern Methodist University - $52,029,002
03.) University of South Florida - $45,102,784
04.) University of Cincinnati - $45,065,244
05.) University of Memphis - $43,148,158
06.) University of Central Florida - $41,957,141
07.) Temple University - $41,558,322
08.) University of Houston - $35,514,862
09.) East Carolina University - $35,459,448
10.) University of Tulsa - $32,541,245
11.) Tulane University - $29,441,104


Atlantic Coast Conference

01.) University of Louisville - $96,193,329
02.) Florida State University - $89,145,159
03.) University of Virginia - $84,402,712
04.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $78,141,093
05.) Duke University - $76,366,113
06.) Syracuse University - $76,329,618
07.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $73,446,347
08.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute - $69,845,483
09.) Clemson University - $68,163,948
10.) University of Miami - $67,253,273
11.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $63,630,964
12.) Boston College - $60,770,300
13.) University of Pittsburgh - $57,606,235
14.) Wake Forest University - $48,830,266


Big Ten Conference

01.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $146,366,405
02.) Ohio State University - $123,604,626
03.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $122,742,252
04.) University of Iowa - $106,703,779
05.) Pennsylvania State University - $104,751,468
06.) University of Minnesota - $98,203,198
07.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $86,916,001
08.) Michigan State University - $79,369,587
09.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $75,738,695
10.) Purdue University - $74,481,250
11.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $71,851,419
12.) Northwestern University - $66,413,894
13.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $65,967,262
14.) University of Maryland-College Park - $58,107,950


Big XII Conference

01.) The University of Texas at Austin - $165,691,486
02.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $123,805,661
03.) University of Kansas - $92,873,192
04.) Baylor University - $78,412,938
05.) West Virginia University - $77,706,696
06.) Oklahoma State University - $76,638,487
07.) Texas Christian University - $71,932,668
08.) Kansas State University - $69,250,204
09.) Iowa State University - $62,357,760
10.) Texas Tech University - $62,087,832


Conference USA

01.) Rice University - $32,294,612
02.) Florida International University - $28,332,259
03.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $27,430,624
04.) Western Kentucky University - $26,109,720
05.) University of North Texas - $25,910,370
06.) Marshall University - $25,724,120
07.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $25,723,452
08.) Middle Tennessee State University - $24,845,231
09.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $24,828,401
10.) Florida Atlantic University - $22,854,201
11.) University of Southern Mississippi - $19,667,859
12.) Louisiana Tech University - $16,876,487


Mid-American Conference

01.) Miami University-Oxford - $28,955,007
02.) University at Buffalo - $28,661,287
03.) University of Massachusetts Amherst - $28,659,514
04.) Central Michigan University - $27,680,624
05.) Ohio University - $27,265,061
06.) University of Akron - $26,479,926
07.) Kent State University - $25,871,038
08.) Western Michigan University - $25,458,301
09.) University of Toledo - $23,654,142
10.) Ball State University - $22,644,535
11.) Northern Illinois University - $22,552,032
12.) Eastern Michigan University - $21,904,183
13.) Bowling Green State University - $20,643,645


Mountain West Conference

01.) San Diego State University - $42,380,968
02.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $33,971,200
03.) Boise State University - $33,219,370
04.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $32,535,454
05.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $32,288,243
06.) University of New Mexico - $32,146,734
07.) California State University-Fresno - $32,016,817
08.) University of Wyoming - $29,731,941
09.) San Jose State University - $25,854,038
10.) University of Nevada-Reno - $25,404,564
11.) Utah State University - $24,446,189


Pacific-12 Conference

01.) University of Southern California - $97,802,254
02.) University of California-Berkeley - $91,815,125
03.) Stanford University - $90,490,234
04.) University of Washington-Seattle - $85,072,886
05.) University of California-Los Angeles - $83,926,720
06.) University of Oregon - $81,374,469
07.) University of Arizona - $66,327,515
08.) University of Colorado Boulder - $66,327,498
09.) Arizona State University - $63,770,785
10.) Oregon State University - $60,193,022
11.) University of Utah - $51,792,903
12.) Washington State University - $50,154,279


Southeastern Conference

01.) The University of Alabama - $143,393,059
02.) University of Florida - $129,505,644
03.) Louisiana State University - $117,457,398
04.) The University of Tennessee - $109,925,351
05.) Auburn University - $102,864,769
06.) University of Arkansas - $99,769,099
07.) University of Georgia - $98,120,889
08.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $90,484,422
09.) University of Kentucky - $86,570,579
10.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $78,530,133
11.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $71,149,002
12.) University of Mississippi - $66,233,842
13.) Mississippi State University - $62,004,404
14.) Vanderbilt University $61,122,469


Sun Belt Conference

01.) Texas State University-San Marcos - $30,469,793
02.) New Mexico State University - $24,811,219
03.) Georgia State University - $24,763,930
04.) Troy University - $17,452,843
05.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $17,257,822
06.) University of South Alabama - $16,328,668
07.) University of Idaho - $14,840,070
08.) Arkansas State University - $13,565,978
09.) University of Louisiana-Monroe - $9,194,173


Independents

01.) University of Notre Dame - $108,509,683
02.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $54,644,578
03.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - $21,620,575

One other thing.... All the people who are gunning for an FBS move, should probably go out with their buddies and buy basketball tickets as well. Assuming the Mountain West is the Goal, NDSU would rank near the bottom in basketball attendance (if what I saw yesterday was correct). An FBS conference isn't just buying a football team, they are buying the entire package and basketball is a huge part of that.

Basketball Average Attendance
Air Force - 2671
Boise St. - 6394
Colorado St. - 5440
Fresno St. - 7042
Hawaii - 6231
Nevada - 6634
New Mex - 15022
San Jose St. - 1463
SDSU - 12414
UNLV - 15196
Utah State - 7937
Wyoming - 5615
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NDSU - 2906

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SO how does SU compare Anyone know our 2013 Numbers

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If those are just football numbers, we are no where on the list. If it is the athletic department in general, I have to think the 2013 number would be around that 117th place. It's hard out here for a pimp.

Just back from xmas break congrats on 3peat really enjoyed it down at sensers twin cities had too many gopher and badger fans asking why ndsu wasn't fbs yet it was a topic of conversation saying theyved won it 3 times now why stay

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Originally Posted by dragonsfan

Just back from xmas break congrats on 3peat really enjoyed it down at sensers twin cities had too many gopher and badger fans asking why ndsu wasn't fbs yet it was a topic of conversation saying theyved won it 3 times now why stay

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How was Texas?

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Originally Posted by EndZoneQB

How was Texas?

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I can see you don't have kids. See, this is the part where we play along with the make-believe story. We should ask some questions about his break, etc.

I think I just said where I was feel free to check ip have fun

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Originally Posted by JMB

One other thing.... All the people who are gunning for an FBS move, should probably go out with their buddies and buy basketball tickets as well. Assuming the Mountain West is the Goal, NDSU would rank near the bottom in basketball attendance (if what I saw yesterday was correct). An FBS conference isn't just buying a football team, they are buying the entire package and basketball is a huge part of that.

Basketball Average Attendance
Air Force - 2671
Boise St. - 6394
Colorado St. - 5440
Fresno St. - 7042
Hawaii - 6231
Nevada - 6634
New Mex - 15022
San Jose St. - 1463
SDSU - 12414
UNLV - 15196
Utah State - 7937
Wyoming - 5615
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NDSU - 2906

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NDSU can only go up IF they join a football only conference. They need to stay in the Summit because fans do not support basketball and other sports like they should.