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Originally Posted by NDSU92

The glaring problem for us is that adding the XDSUs and Montanas would severely harm the basketball brand. MWC cares just as much about basketball as football and it would be the basketball equivalent of the MVFC adding the top four teams in the OVC.

We got mad about Murray State. Imagine adding three more of them…

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NDSU and SDSU are the top 2 teams in thr Summit, consistently for 15 years. How many times have the 2 schools made the big dance?

Competition makes you up your game

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

NDSU and SDSU are the top 2 teams in thr Summit, consistently for 15 years. How many times have the 2 schools made the big dance?

Competition makes you up your game

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As a 16 seed? Lmao the summit is fucking terrible. They look at us like we look at Auggie.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Was just saying that if we don’t make it it will be because basketball is lagging. If we had a top 100 bball team like football we’d already be in the MWC.

The way I see this playing out is: PAC shops around AAC schools, can’t get anyone. They don’t know their media contract yet so AAC schools would be very foolish to jump to a shaky conference way out on the west coast. PAC relents and has to take UNLV and Nevada. Mountain west has to replenish ASAP and adds XDSUs and UTEP/NM State.

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The one caveat I will add to this, is that the MW breakup fees are super prohibitive for what I would guess is everyone not named UNLV. If Nevada BOR won’t let UNLV leave Nevada, UNLV might legit be stuck.

If that’s the case, the PAC is literally left looking at only FCS programs as options… and there’s only two that would make an ounce of sense…

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

The one caveat I will add to this, is that the MW breakup fees are super prohibitive for what I would guess is everyone not named UNLV. If Nevada BOR won’t let UNLV leave Nevada, UNLV might legit be stuck.

If that’s the case, the PAC is literally left looking at only FCS programs as options… and there’s only two that would make an ounce of sense…

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PAC is sitting on a hoard of cash. Those teams leaving are not the ones paying the exit fees...PAC is.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

PAC is sitting on a hoard of cash. Those teams leaving are not the ones paying the exit fees...PAC is.

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How much more are they willing or able to pay though? And for what, Nevada and UNLV? Air Force? Each school is ~$30M.

These are the schools the four savior schools are trying to get away from. Why would they pay tens of millions of dollars each to be stuck back in a new conference with them?

They don’t know the value of their new TV deal yet and that’s going to kill them in trying to recruit schools. And also from knowing that they can spend down their cash hoard, confident they can build it back up.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

PAC is sitting on a hoard of cash. Those teams leaving are not the ones paying the exit fees...PAC is.

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What hoard of cash? They went from ~$30M/year with ESPN to a chump change 1 year contract with the CW. PAC had no exit fees, and the relatively small amount the departing schools agreed to give up is already spoken for.

Living beyond your means is the American way though.

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Originally Posted by taper

What hoard of cash? They went from ~$30M/year with ESPN to a chump change 1 year contract with the CW. PAC had no exit fees, and the relatively small amount the departing schools agreed to give up is already spoken for.

Living beyond your means is the American way though.

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I think the PAC has about 250 million war chest right now. But the do owe MWC around 40 million in poaching fees

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

The one caveat I will add to this, is that the MW breakup fees are super prohibitive for what I would guess is everyone not named UNLV. If Nevada BOR won’t let UNLV leave Nevada, UNLV might legit be stuck.

If that’s the case, the PAC is literally left looking at only FCS programs as options… and there’s only two that would make an ounce of sense…

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The Nevada Board of Regents will not keep UNLV from leaving Nevada and going to another conference alone. Out of their entire history Nevada and UNLV have only been in the same football conference once. 12 years in the MW. There were a couple years in the non football WCC in the early 70's. That's it. It is a non issue.

What might hold UNLV is the 18 million dollar exit fees.. In addition the Pac would have to give the MW another 11 million bucks for poaching them.

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Originally Posted by WestCoastBison

I think the PAC has about 250 million war chest right now. But the do owe MWC around 40 million in poaching fees

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That $250M number came from people absurdly thinking WSU and OSU would get to keep the entire 2023-24 media payout with nothing going to the 10 that left, AND they'd still get the $80M conference payout from the CFP. Neither of those things happened. The PAC's finances are a mess. I'm very curious how they plan to make these buyout payments work.

Form the
Assets/Debt
Total Assets $158,066,674
Total Liabilities $55,387,067
Net Assets $102,679,607

Per the PAC 12's IRS filing end of 12/31/2023


full 990 info

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