Re: A new and better FBS thread
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WhoRepsTheLurker
Just so people can get their talking points right, the NCAA is helping to engineer what is shaping up to be an internal split. Any suggestion that the power conferences are 'leaving the NCAA' is ludicrous. Rather, the NCAA is bending over backwards to accommodate them
Remember the NCAA is the member schools. So it's not the office staff in Indy doing this to the schools. The schools are doing it to themselves. The big schools of the NCAA are looking to create more separation and autonomy from the smaller schools. The CFP is a separate organization, but it's made up of members who are also part of the NCAA. I could see something similar happening with the bigger schools. There is too much wrapped up in the NCAA for these schools to completely separate. The rules alone would be a big reason. They would have to create and maintain their own rules or follow what the NCAA does without any representation on the rules committee (similar to what NAIA does). I don't see that happening. So I would see them becoming a separate membership entity within the NCAA before separating from the NCAA.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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IndyBison
Remember the NCAA is the member schools. So it's not the office staff in Indy doing this to the schools. The schools are doing it to themselves. The big schools of the NCAA are looking to create more separation and autonomy from the smaller schools. The CFP is a separate organization, but it's made up of members who are also part of the NCAA. I could see something similar happening with the bigger schools. There is too much wrapped up in the NCAA for these schools to completely separate. The rules alone would be a big reason. They would have to create and maintain their own rules or follow what the NCAA does without any representation on the rules committee (similar to what NAIA does). I don't see that happening. So I would see them becoming a separate membership entity within the NCAA before separating from the NCAA.
Yes. Drives me nuts when I hear people still spouting 'P4 will leave the NCAA' nonsense. Brian Shawn did this just last week on 1660. It’s not going to happen
Some reputable posts on csnbbs claiming that the MAC is in the process of 'kicking the tires' on NDSU, fwiw
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
WhoRepsTheLurker
Yes. Drives me nuts when I hear people still spouting 'P4 will leave the NCAA' nonsense. Brian Shawn did this just last week on 1660. It’s not going to happen
Some reputable posts on csnbbs claiming that the MAC is in the process of 'kicking the tires' on NDSU, fwiw
One that wasn't started by El Lako Chapo?
Re: A new and better FBS thread
The schools arent going to get rid of the ncaa. They still need some lackies to be administrators.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
WhoRepsTheLurker
Yes. Drives me nuts when I hear people still spouting 'P4 will leave the NCAA' nonsense. Brian Shawn did this just last week on 1660. It’s not going to happen
Some reputable posts on csnbbs claiming that the MAC is in the process of 'kicking the tires' on NDSU, fwiw
The P4 have arguably already left the NCAA on things that matter. The entire FBS post season is separate. The NCAA's total revenue last year was around $1.3B. The new 12 team CFP pays around $1.3B directly to the FBS conferences, plus well over $100M for the other bowl games. The FBS post season is literally worth more than everything else combined and is separate.
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taper
The P4 have arguably already left the NCAA on things that matter. The entire FBS post season is separate. The NCAA's total revenue last year was around $1.3B. The new 12 team CFP pays around $1.3B directly to the FBS conferences, plus well over $100M for the other bowl games. The FBS post season is literally worth more than everything else combined and is separate.
Not so much left the NCAA. Just some members created a separate organization to create a playoff system. Just like bowl games, they were granted permission from the rest of the NCAA members to do this. There are many more non-FBS schools than FBS schools, but in many issues they succumb to the need and wants of the bigger schools because they still rely on them for their revenu. I do expect to see segments of teams within the NCAA the operate at different levels.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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IndyBison
Not so much left the NCAA. Just some members created a separate organization to create a playoff system. Just like bowl games, they were granted permission from the rest of the NCAA members to do this. There are many more non-FBS schools than FBS schools, but in many issues they succumb to the need and wants of the bigger schools because they still rely on them for their revenu. I do expect to see segments of teams within the NCAA the operate at different levels.
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Feels like a distinction without a difference. The P4 are autonomous, can already set their own rules, and control all the real FBS revenue. They dish out some crumbs to G5, and even smaller crumbs to FCS.
The only questions that remain are: 1) Will P4 fully separate from G5 in some fashion, wearing NCAA label or not, and 2) will they extend this separation to other sports like Basketball, either thru creating a new NCAA division or another mechanism.
Its possible they may feel it unnecessary as long as they continue to gobble up the vast majority of postseason appearances. Saw an article today where it noted the P4 are increasingly dominating even minor sports like baseball, softball, and Golf now.
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Whelp, looks like the P4 split is occurring as a new subdivision under NCAA label.
G5 will be left behind with FCS.
https://www.aol.com/sports/future-co...121652533.html
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BigHorns
Yeah, I think your previous post nails it. The P4 will stay in the NCAA as an autonomous subdivision, but in reality they'll be calling the shots for everyone, at least until someone presents a big enough challenge to slow them down or stop them.
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GCWaters
Yeah, I think your previous post nails it. The P4 will stay in the NCAA as an autonomous subdivision, but in reality they'll be calling the shots for everyone, at least until someone presents a big enough challenge to slow them down or stop them.
Pretty clear the P4 are the kings now, who will be locking the gates to keep out the rabble. Everyone else will be paupers who feed the kings with fresh talent. I fully expect that as part of the new subdivisions, G5 will lose all participation in CFP, thus all the recent talk about creating their own playoffs.
The good news in all this I suppose is that G5 will be the new FCS, and once the dust settles it should become easier for us to join that group in some fashion. ML saw this coming, and its playing out like he predicted.
