A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by taper

We have a random guy on the internet saying CUSA contacted us.
We have our AD who's communications are subject to open records laws saying CUSA didn't contact us.
I know which source I trust more. If you don't, go ahead and file the records request. Until then, STOP CRAPPING ON OUR AD!

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Yeah but, said random guy literally claims to be "fourth grade spelling bee runner up" right on his Tweeter page. Major cred. I bet he/she even has a tee shirt!

Matt Larson lied to mcfooly. even Matt is smart enough to do the same as Taylor/Bohl/Klieman did to him

So twitter twat is a credible source?

I was asked by the grand pobah not to repost shit off of twitter.

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Originally Posted by taper

We have a random guy on the internet saying CUSA contacted us.
We have our AD who's communications are subject to open records laws saying CUSA didn't contact us.
I know which source I trust more. If you don't, go ahead and file the records request. Until then, STOP CRAPPING ON OUR AD!

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To be fair if I recall correctly he did break a lot of the CUSA news before when Sammy and JSU announced moves up. For me that’s enough to lend him some credence, he obviously has someone at CUSA who’s giving him info.

Again, not that it matters… didn’t reach out to “me”. Has been a well-explained cop-out

At the end of the day, consultant was told to tell CUSA no because brighter pastures await

dominate for 2 years in CUSA....AND WITH A KANSAS PRESIDENT. we could build a stadium & jump to Big 12

you c0ck sukking small timers!!! arghz

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

dominate for 2 years in CUSA....AND WITH A KANSAS PRESIDENT. we could build a stadium & jump to Big 12

you c0ck sukking small timers!!! arghz

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If we ever join the B12 it will no longer be considered a P5 conference. Not because of NDSU but if they are adding schools like NDSU they are no longer a high major conference. Using hyperbole in your arguments only hurts your arguments.

And just because Cook is coming from Kansas doesn't mean he'll automatically take us to FBS or B12. Bresciani came from Texas A&M and previously UNC and NC State. You are making a big assumption.

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Maybe the play is to hope that CUSA gets absolutely cultured and then NDSU (and some other likeminded schools) could revive the conference in a more favorable situation. Matt Laresen out here playing 5D chess while Chapo is playing pickup bball behind Scotties barn with a couple of Hoople tweakers.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

Using hyperbole in your arguments only hurts your arguments.

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^^^^^^^

So much this.


Of course, the point is completely lost on him.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

^^^^^^^

So much this.


Of course, the point is completely lost on him.

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I know but you have to try occasionally to use logic with him in the hopes something may click. I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

^^^^^^^

So much this.


Of course, the point is completely lost on him.

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Especially since he probably doesn’t know what ‘hyperbole’ means.

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Originally Posted by NDSU_grad

Especially since he probably doesn’t know what ‘hyperbole’ means.

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He probably reads it as "Hyper Bowl" and thinks it will be a lit game to play in when we're FBS.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

People aren't asking DB enough questions when it comes to realignment.

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DB has as seat on the NCAA committee looking at "reforming" the organization.
You have to think he has the insights and information to be making smart moves in this environment.

Yea Dean cashed out 2 years ago. I don't blame him necessarily.

But in his lame duck year he should've swung for the fences with the mountain west. like hard core pressed then for an invite

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

DB has as seat on the NCAA committee looking at "reforming" the organization.
You have to think he has the insights and information to be making smart moves in this environment.

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I trust Bresciani when it comes to making the right decisions for the University. In this regard I think they have been pushing behind the scenes (at least recently). But I would argue that I'm not very impressed how it's been handled from a dissemination of information standpoint.

People are getting restless...

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Yea Dean cashed out 2 years ago. I don't blame him necessarily.

But in his lame duck year he should've swung for the fences with the mountain west. like hard core pressed then for an invite

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How do you know he hasn't

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I trust Bresciani when it comes to making the right decisions for the University. In this regard I think they have been pushing behind the scenes (at least recently). But I would argue that I'm not very impressed how it's been handled from a dissemination of information standpoint.

People are getting restless...

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The entire athletic department budget is predicated on fan enthusiasm. Whether in the form of ticket sales, merchandise sales or donor contributions. Moving to FBS will take work but it surely isn't going to ever be achieved if fan enthusiasm continues to wain. My biggest criticism is that they have done very little from a PR standpoint and/or gameday atmosphere standpoint to continue to build fan enthusiasm and grow the overall fanbase of NDSU. I have no knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes (nor do most fans) and thus it is imperative that the leadership find ways to keep the fanbase informed and engaged enough so that they contribute to Team Makers, buy tickets, attend games and buy merchandise. They have not done a very good job with that in the past few years. Hopefully they have learned from some of the recent criticism and make some adjustments soon.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

The entire athletic department budget is predicated on fan enthusiasm. Whether in the form of ticket sales, merchandise sales or donor contributions. Moving to FBS will take work but it surely isn't going to ever be achieved if fan enthusiasm continues to wain. My biggest criticism is that they have done very little from a PR standpoint and/or gameday atmosphere standpoint to continue to build fan enthusiasm and grow the overall fanbase of NDSU. I have no knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes (nor do most fans) and thus it is imperative that the leadership find ways to keep the fanbase informed and engaged enough so that they contribute to Team Makers, buy tickets, attend games and buy merchandise. They have not done a very good job with that in the past few years. Hopefully they have learned from some of the recent criticism and make some adjustments soon.

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I've come to believe that they honestly don't hear the criticism. I think ML is unaware of any of it. He probably has 4-5 high roller confidants in the donor community who are in his ear telling him that they think everything is hunky-dory. This is no other explanation for the dearth of outreach and public information. He and his staff appear to be blissfully ignorant. They relegate the pro-FBS crowd to a few malcontent agitators. Nothing to see here; all is well. Unless we find out that ML has been begging Bresciani for years to go FBS and Bresciani just wouldn't listen to good reason, I hope the new president fires the whole lot.

So the NEWS dropped Friday that NDSU or Matt turned down the CUSA

and here we are monday and ZERO article, ZERO media talk, NOTHING 1660 said NOTHING. just embarrassing... this tells me all I need to know...

MATT and STAFF DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT! we are so screwed. they wanna hold the line and keep this going FOREVER , they can't do anything else.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

So the NEWS dropped Friday that NDSU or Matt turned down the CUSA

and here we are monday and ZERO article, ZERO media talk, NOTHING 1660 said NOTHING. just embarrassing... this tells me all I need to know...

MATT and STAFF DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT! we are so screwed. they wanna hold the line and keep this going FOREVER , they can't do anything else.

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Get confirmation. Then get back to me.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Get confirmation. Then get back to me.

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Let's say he does. Honest question...does that change your mind? Let's say we could have gone football-only and therefore stay in the Summit for other sports. Hardly any disruption at all and almost no change to the football travel budget. If it turns out that Larson told local press that NDSU has never been contacted, but in fact it was, and we were even offered football-only, would that change your mind about ML or anything NDSU athletics is doing right now? It is an honest question. I totally respect your views on basketball. You couldn't have been too happy about the cloak-and-dagger extension to DR. Would such a football revelation get you on the time-for-a-change bandwagon?

If he turned down the new CUSA that's smart. If he turns down MAC, MWC or higher...not so much.

CUSA will generate zero additional interest to the football program.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Is it smart to lie about it to the Forum?

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I guess I don't care either way.

Is there a direct quote from a CUSA big dog stating they offered? I'm outta the loop on that. Otherwise it's a he said she said. Whatever.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

I guess I don't care either way.

Is there a direct quote from a CUSA big dog stating they offered? I'm outta the loop on that. Otherwise it's a he said she said. Whatever.

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Well, Matt Brown could be wrong. It is entirely possible that ML was completely truthful. But I think Chapo is right that it is worth some follow-up questions. Especially in light of the DR deal. This seems to be an athletics dept that likes to shut the average fan and the public out.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Is it smart to lie about it to the Forum?

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They just might consider that statement libelous there sport. Good thing for you that you’re anonymous.


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The thing that I find most interesting in this entire thread is that some people here ACTUALLY BELIEVE that they are important enough to be in the know on what has been discussed off of the record. They ACTUALLY BELIEVE that since they have not heard that people have had discussions, that no discussions have been had. That is incredibly remarkable to me, particularly given how those same people behave when they DO get any information on another topic. These are the people that bitch, bitch, bitch and find fault in absolutely anything.

The way that you all behave ensures that you and the rest of us will remain in the dark until a grand reveal ultimately happens.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

The thing that I find most interesting in this entire thread is that some people here ACTUALLY BELIEVE that they are important enough to be in the know on what has been discussed off of the record. They ACTUALLY BELIEVE that since they have not heard that people have had discussions, that no discussions have been had. That is incredibly remarkable to me, particularly given how those same people behave when they DO get any information on another topic. These are the people that bitch, bitch, bitch and find fault in absolutely anything.

The way that you all behave ensures that you and the rest of us will remain in the dark until a grand reveal ultimately happens.

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I honestly cannot understand why you guys are content hearing NOTHING from the administration about FBS for years and years, both during times of realignment musical chairs and during lulls. I guess some of us are mentally invested in wanting the team and our athletics program to move forward, so our frustration at an absolute blackout of information/plans/vision comes out.

I certainly don't see myself as important at all. I have two season tickets to basketball. That's it. So, NDSU doesn't need me. But they need several thousand of me. The several thousands of me, and of you, and everyone else on the board, do matter. At least, that's my belief. It clearly isn't yours or the university's position.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I'm not your "sport", dickhead. And it isn't libel. There's a public story from a national media source that NDSU was contacted. ML says we weren't. As I said in a previous post, ML may have been entirely truthful in saying NDSU wasn't contacted. But given that there is a conflict in these two accounts of what was said, it should be investigated. As a fan and consumer of NDSU athletics, I'd like to know which is true. ML can speak to the discrepancy anytime he wants. The next time he calls you on Mother's Day, why don't you encourage him to be more forthcoming with the public. He can tell us what has been done on the FBS front, if anything, and what he plans to do. That would be nice.

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Not sure what your intent is with a personal insult but if you are looking to remove any sympathy for your opinion then carry on. You are on the right track.

Not sure what credible “national media source” you reference. Thought it was some Tweeter… person. If it’s a Sports Illustrated, ABC, NBC. The Athletic etc. then please advise.

Also, maybe see if you can manage to converse sans the sophomoric insults. Sound good Sport?


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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I honestly cannot understand why you guys are content hearing NOTHING from the administration about FBS for years and years, both during times of realignment musical chairs and during lulls. I guess some of us are mentally invested in wanting the team and our athletics program to move forward, so our frustration at an absolute blackout of information/plans/vision comes out.

I certainly don't see myself as important at all. I have two season tickets to basketball. That's it. So, NDSU doesn't need me. But they need several thousand of me. The several thousands of me, and of you, and everyone else on the board, do matter. At least, that's my belief. It clearly isn't yours or the university's position.

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Who said I was "content" not hearing anything? I just don't think it should be their priority to keep me or the public informed about things for which they don't control the entire equation. This is a very normal behavior for public endeavors. It really isn't that hard to understand.

Once they let ANY information out, they are completely responsible for managing that entire narrative from that point forward. There's nothing at all for them to gain by providing only partial information.

On the other hand, I would bet that there are a few big donors that know a bunch more than the lot of us and there are reasons for that. One of those reasons is that a big donor probably knows how to keep their opinions private and not be shooting venom on the internet...not making the department's job more difficult.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

Who said I was "content" not hearing anything? I just don't think it should be their priority to keep me or the public informed about things for which they don't control the entire equation. This is a very normal behavior for public endeavors. It really isn't that hard to understand.

Once they let ANY information out, they are completely responsible for managing that entire narrative from that point forward. There's nothing at all for them to gain by providing only partial information.

On the other hand, I would bet that there are a few big donors that know a bunch more than the lot of us and there are reasons for that. One of those reasons is that a big donor probably knows how to keep their opinions private and not be shooting venom on the internet...not making the department's job more difficult.

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Alright. That's fine. I don't think my questions or even complaints have been venomous. But whatever. I'm done. You guys win.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Alright. That's fine. I don't think my questions or even complaints have been venomous. But whatever. I'm done. You guys win.

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Holy shit. Did I just win the internet? Holy fucknuggets, I think I did! So exciting!

#blessed

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I honestly cannot understand why you guys are content hearing NOTHING from the administration about FBS for years and years, both during times of realignment musical chairs and during lulls. I guess some of us are mentally invested in wanting the team and our athletics program to move forward, so our frustration at an absolute blackout of information/plans/vision comes out.

I certainly don't see myself as important at all. I have two season tickets to basketball. That's it. So, NDSU doesn't need me. But they need several thousand of me. The several thousands of me, and of you, and everyone else on the board, do matter. At least, that's my belief. It clearly isn't yours or the university's position.

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Don't get mentally invested in something you can't control?

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

Holy shit. Did I just win the internet? Holy fucknuggets, I think I did! So exciting!

#blessed

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I'm afraid it isn't that great of a victory. No lottery winnings or anything. But I don't want to argue anymore. With anyone. You are all NDSU fans. You are. Greenfieldbison is. So are all who work in athletics, including ML. I wish everyone on the board and in the NDSU universe the very best. I apologize for any animus directed at anyone in my posts. I don't want to do that anymore. Is it 56 that has the fishing pole tag line? That sentiment is exactly correct. I'm gonna embrace that now.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Don't get mentally invested in something you can't control?

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You are correct, and duly noted. It is wasted time and energy to worry about things you can't control. It is irrational to ignore this truth.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Don't get mentally invested in something you can't control?

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You make a solid case for not being a sports fan

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I'm afraid it isn't that great of a victory. No lottery winnings or anything. But I don't want to argue anymore. With anyone. You are all NDSU fans. You are. Greenfieldbison is. So are all who work in athletics, including ML. I wish everyone on the board and in the NDSU universe the very best. I apologize for any animus directed at anyone in my posts. I don't want to do that anymore. Is it 56 that has the fishing pole tag line? That sentiment is exactly correct. I'm gonna embrace that now.

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Very magnanimous and healthy I think. May be one of the better posts on this site in a long while.

And you are right, each of us in our own quirky way just wants what's best for the institution, the team, the individual students and of course our fellow fans.

These are definitely in the wrong thread but in case you have not seen them, a little peace offering.

20-21 Season Recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-BaOrRCKO4
Top 10 plays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srFRtmVSshQ

Glad we are on the same team. Friend.

BOTTOM LINE.

NDSU FOOTBALL is dying from a fanbase, we are leveling off, we have Plateau'd...

If CUSA a FBS conference OFFERRED NDSU A FOOTBALL ONLY SPOT....... then 1000% NDSU should of taken it.

Charlotte Athletics University
FIU Athletics University
Florida Atlantic Athletics University
Louisiana Tech Athletics University
Middle Tennessee Athletics University
North Texas Athletics University
Rice Athletics University
UAB Athletics University
UTEP Athletics University
UTSA Athletics University
WKU Athletics University
New Mexico St
Jacksonville St
Sam Houston St

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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

Very magnanimous and healthy I think. May be one of the better posts on this site in a long while.

And you are right, each of us in our own quirky way just wants what's best for the institution, the team, the individual students and of course our fellow fans.

These are definitely in the wrong thread but in case you have not seen them, a little peace offering.

20-21 Season Recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-BaOrRCKO4
Top 10 plays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srFRtmVSshQ

Glad we are on the same team. Friend.

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Thanks, I appreciate that.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

BOTTOM LINE.

NDSU FOOTBALL is dying from a fanbase, we are leveling off, we have Plateau'd...

If CUSA a FBS conference OFFERRED NDSU A FOOTBALL ONLY SPOT....... then 1000% NDSU should of taken it.

Charlotte Athletics University
FIU Athletics University
Florida Atlantic Athletics University
Louisiana Tech Athletics University
Middle Tennessee Athletics University
North Texas Athletics University
Rice Athletics University
UAB Athletics University
UTEP Athletics University
UTSA Athletics University
WKU Athletics University
New Mexico St
Jacksonville St
Sam Houston St

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The CUSA is a dog shit conference. These teams have left: Charlotte, Florida Atlantic, Marshall, North Texas, Old Dominion, Rice, Southern Miss, UAB and UTSA. If you read some of the reasons you can thank our lucky stars IF we were offered we had the good sense to say no.

western illinois, indiana state, und, usd, southern illinois, misery state are SOOOO much better than CUSA arent' they?

I would not at all be surprised if there's been something long in the works, quietly being negotiated, waiting for some deadlines to pass and some financial guarantees to be secured...perhaps also waiting for the spring sports to end before an announcement. Perhaps we'll hear something in June.

Just to be clear: I know nothing. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if we hear such news.