A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Why should they care? NDSU athletics raises most of its own money. The professors don't have anything to do with it ...

So you guys are bullish on the PAC sitting tight. How is their situation going to change by waiting? Seems like it could get even worse, tbh

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If you look at other G5/MWC schools, just about all of them spend a lot more on subsidies than we do.

That means we will likely either have to raise student fees, or get more institutional support for this. That may not sit well with folks who just took cuts. Or, maybe we could try to operate on a shoe-string G5 budget, but that doesn't typically produce a lot of winning.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

If you look at other G5/MWC schools, just about all of them spend a lot more on subsidies than we do.

That means we will likely either have to raise student fees, or get more institutional support for this. That may not sit well with folks who just took cuts. Or, maybe we could try to operate on a shoe-string G5 budget, but that doesn't typically produce a lot of winning.

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No doubt, but if there's a window there's a window, and they don't come around very often ...

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

No doubt, but if there's a window there's a window, and they don't come around very often ...

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Also true, but this type of a move typically has to be approved by the president and board. They are going to care a lot about the finances.

Almost all MWC schools are spending $50m-$65m annually on athletics. That's a significant difference from where we are today. And it isn't that they "earn" that much more in FBS, its being more heavily subsidized.

Not to mix topics, but this is also why I think the push to pay student athletes is ridiculous. Outside the top half of P5, almost all schools are subsidizing (losing money) on sports programs overall. It isn't the high profit affair some pretend it is for the schools.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

If you look at other G5/MWC schools, just about all of them spend a lot more on subsidies than we do.

That means we will likely either have to raise student fees, or get more institutional support for this. That may not sit well with folks who just took cuts. Or, maybe we could try to operate on a shoe-string G5 budget, but that doesn't typically produce a lot of winning.

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I haven't seen the numbers lately, but I believe UND has a significantly higher athletic fee than NDSU. I would think it would be an easy sell to said faculty to say we are just rasing student fees to to match those of the "flagship."

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Originally Posted by AKBison

I haven't seen the numbers lately, but I believe UND has a significantly higher athletic fee than NDSU. I would think it would be an easy sell to said faculty to say we are just rasing student fees to to match those of the "flagship."

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Imagine this would need to be part of the financial projections/package to sell the move to the board. I'd be a bit surprised if they easily approved more state/taxpayer funds.

I know our private giving is strong compared to peers, but looking at the bigger picture we'd need to 4x teammakers to have a competitive budget. That would be much more than other MWC schools raise privately. Think some of that increase will need to come from fees.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Imagine this would need to be part of the financial projections/package to sell the move to the board. I'd be a bit surprised if they easily approved more state/taxpayer funds.

I know our private giving is strong compared to peers, but looking at the bigger picture we'd need to 4x teammakers to have a competitive budget. That would be much more than other MWC schools raise privately. Think some of that increase will need to come from fees.

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All sports for sure, but FB-only is obviously much less prohibitive in terms of cost

This is why I've said all along that both ND schools going full FBS is simply unrealistic

https://twitter.com/SamHerderFCS/sta...C9wbGYvqkuAAAA

https://herosports.com/fcs-schools-h...-revenue-bzbz/

This is a very interesting (if incomplete) list

IF NDSU got the same state support as UND, NDSU budget would be $36M, which is getting pretty close to the $40M mark that’s sort of a soft minimum for FBS imo

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2023/6...missioner-jack

You may like this. Keep scrolling.

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Originally Posted by MWC

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2023/6...missioner-jack

You may like this. Keep scrolling.

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Stirring the pot out of boredom? Do you have any idea how many people here will think that's an interview with the actual commissioner instead of some random guy on the internet?

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Originally Posted by taper

Stirring the pot out of boredom? Do you have any idea how many people here will think that's an interview with the actual commissioner instead of some random guy on the internet?

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We know of one who will run with it...