Re: A new and better FBS thread
Not sure why anyone thinks the MWC needs to be gutted for this to happen.
They could be proactive, rather than reactive, and strengthen the conference, guarding against any future defections.
Looking at this map, there are only 6 states that are not represented by a FBS team, though most of the states surrounding us have only one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...S_programs.png
NDSU, SDSU, and the Montanas would complete the western map nicely.
It would also be a logical extension of the MWC and really the top 4 programs in FCS in terms of winning, fanbase, brands, and support.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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BigHorns
Not sure why anyone thinks the MWC needs to be gutted for this to happen.
They could be proactive, rather than reactive, and strengthen the conference, guarding against any future defections.
Looking at this map, there are only 6 states that are not represented by a FBS team, though most of the states surrounding us have only one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...S_programs.png
NDSU, SDSU, and the Montanas would complete the western map nicely.
It would also be a logical extension of the MWC and really the top 4 programs in FCS in terms of winning, fanbase, brands, and support.
They may well do just that..I was just going off the post here that said the MW would be gutted by losing 5 schools to the Pac 10.
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NDSU92
You and I (and/or daddy, who knows you’re essentially the same person) have had multiple conversations about money in this thread. I am not going to search through hundreds of pages to find them.
The rest are open UND fans lol
Since I've never said money is stopping us, and you can't even try to argue otherwise, I accept that you concede you were wrong.
Note that I just said the exact opposite of your view. I think Johnson v NCAA is going to put a serious money barrier on college athletics, and that all 4 Dakotas can pass it.
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taper
Since I've never said money is stopping us, and you can't even try to argue otherwise, I accept that you concede you were wrong.
Note that I just said the exact opposite of your view. I think Johnson v NCAA is going to put a serious money barrier on college athletics, and that all 4 Dakotas can pass it.
How can all 4 dakotas pass it but not have the resources to move FBS independently of each other? I don’t see the logic in that.
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The_Sicatoka
Popular or potentially valuable to a western conference (access to media/eyeballs, potential students, alumni, donors)?
Valuable puts UC-Davis and Sac St up the list.
Weber State gets you further into SLC.
And UCSD could be something (SoCal) if they got off the beach and decided to.
Valuable and FCS doesn’t mean anything. Is UCD, Sac St or Weber ever in the top 10 for attendance every year? No because no one in their big metros cares to even go to their games….. invaluable. Maybe Sac St can keep up with SDSU but they will never be on the same level as the NDSU, MSU, and UM level.
Quit trying to spin you know you are wrong
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MWC
If they lose 1 to 3 they probably wouldn't add anyone. I was going off the scenario that one of the posters here was talking about. In his, or her scenario the MW would lose 5 schools to the Pac 10. I speculated that Hawaii, AFA and New Mexico would leave as well. There would be no exit fees. If 8 schools leave there is no conference. Adding 4 to 8 FCS schools would not qualify the MW as a FBS conference right away..Those schools would have some sort of probationary period. The MW would most likely lose their automatic bid for the NCAA's. There would likely be no bowl tie ins, initially.
The chances of getting any kind of media deal are minute..
My initial question was why you would want to join the MW were it to be gutted..There would be no upside for you.
FBS is the upside, that’s all we want. I do agree that if 1-3 schools leave that you might not see the MWC add anyone. Any added team could reduce the media deal even more after it decreases from losing Boise and SDSU.
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BigLakeBison
How can all 4 dakotas pass it but not have the resources to move FBS independently of each other? I don’t see the logic in that.
Again, I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
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taper
Again, I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
If you’re wondering why you get pushback in this thread, this is it. You do a very poor job of articulating your point and you constantly talk in circles. You’re a doomsday prepper in regards to FBS. You see the worst possible scenario and your brain locks in on it. You then build these wild defense mechanism ideas to offset the worst case scenario. The reality is Johnson v NCAA isn’t going to play out as negatively as you think and the new northern G5 conference isn’t going to happen anytime soon. It is going to happen gradually over several decades and someone is going to be first. NDSU is at the top of the list to be the first and get the ball rolling. If in order to make FBS work we need to move all 4 Dakotas at once, then I will not watch NDSU play FBS football in my lifetime.
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NDSU92
You and I (and/or daddy, who knows you’re essentially the same person) have had multiple conversations about money in this thread. I am not going to search through hundreds of pages to find them.
The rest are open UND fans lol
lol...wut....if you're referring to me I never mention money as a hurdle. Geography is literally the only reason NDSU sits where they sit today.
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B.Schlossman Fan Club
FBS is the upside, that’s all we want. I do agree that if 1-3 schools leave that you might not see the MWC add anyone. Any added team could reduce the media deal even more after it decreases from losing Boise and SDSU.
That seems unlikely.
Media deals are built off of inventory (games) and markets/eyeballs. Generally, more of both should be better, though it does depend what the average is. If NDSU joins Oregon and Washington we would pull the average payout down, and it would cost them. I'm less certain that is true with schools like Wyoming and Nevada. However, it partly depends what schools are left and the average media/market size of those schools compared to ours.
